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? Did Longshot's player agree to the gimmick in AOOC? Did he voice any objection? Did he say anything about this IC? I assume longshot used the traitor item to fake a CC announcement? Holy moley.... Understandable Yeah i mean i will see if i can get the player to respond here but this all sounds suuuuuuuuuuuuper lame on the part of longshot. Like, incredibly open and shut lame.

I like janitors. I always play the janitor role. It is my favorite job. I was very very upset i admit when i died and i salted a bit into dead chat. I do not think your actions where appropriate but now that im over it it is honestly not a big deal. I will just go over what happened starting with you guys breaking in. Everything up until and including this point i felt was IC. I noticed from outside that you and two other engineers where outside the janitor office. I saw you with thermals hacking the door open. I do not care why you where breaking in. It is not on me to be concerned about that. All i know is that three people are breaking into my department and i have a gun on me with ammunition. If i get caught or captured thats it my round is over. So i shot at you and the engineers. The other engineer....the unathi i think also happened to be a traitor and shot me with a revolver. I died Queue deadchat salt and around.... thirty or so minutes of handling ahelps. One of which involved me helping shadow with an explosive implant not triggering. I BSTed in to test it on myself to make sure he wasnt doing it improperly and to get the explosion size. I then dropped a bomb on him to simulate the implant. This is why the brig vented. This also reset my respawn timer so i ahelped and asked if i could respawn myself since even after BSTing 9 additional minutes had passed. My timer was definitely up and we pass respawns out for similiar reasons all the time. My staff can verify this. So i joined again as a janitor. The slot happened to be open and again it is my favorite job. I of course had no meta information on the game. All i saw was a brig that was depressurized for... some reason. I accused engineering of not doing their job and then of course some conflict over the radio happened. This was just a little IC talk. I was not intending to metagrudge you or anything. Shortly after auto-traitor just happened to select me as traitor. Any staff member can check the logs and verify that i did not use my administrative perms to turn myself into a traitor. I then decided to go my usual route of stealing a voidsuit from engineering and robbing the armory. While i was heading to security to steal stuff you mentioned over the radio that "someone had stolen a voidsuit" and that it "was probably that janitor who said he would fix the brig". I did not like this. I accosted you over the radio and a verbal fight broke out. i of course was antag at this point and lieing about fixing the brig. It was just a convenient excuse. My character was annoyed with you so after finding a manhack grenade in a locker i lobbed it at you. The manhacks then crit you. I know you do not believe me when i say this but i see manhacks used so often and they never ever ever kill anyone. They are so easy to melee to death with any kind of weapon and IPCs have brute resistance. That is why i came to heal you. I legitimately felt bad OOC and then before i could release you an LOOC thing started. Then the round ended. if i was legitimately metagrudging you i would have pulled out my revolver and shot you to death. I obviously did not do this. I did not intend to kill you.

Been sick as a dog last few days. Anyway after getting alberyk's opinion on this i feel comfortable this situation is 100% an IC issue. It will be expunged from your record. I am making this judgement for two reasons. 1. I believe the OP is acting in good faith when he demonstrates his reasoning for doing what he did IC. 2. The effect of his actions was exceedingly tame. Tame in the sense that all that really happened was a dead body got beat around and spooked everyone IC. While this is a super crazy thing to see from the perception of IC it is just that, IC. Nobody had their round ruined.

As i said on discord this character would unfortunately break our naming and reference rules. You will need to change the name.

Ok but this isnt a distinction i make Based on the IP and CID of both Alberyk and suanan this is pretty much impossible. No, this is a staff complaint. The player was banned for unrelated issues.

I know it just doesnt matter. Like what is most likely to happen when you grant a fully equipped team antag status? Exactly what happened. Someone is going to misfire a weapon somehow or security is going to interpret something as a threat and then it all spirals out of control. Its just whats going to happen when such a powder keg situation occurs.

You would not put the library book back. All of this is for him to decide. He doesn't have to play combat badly just because he is old. No You refused to put the book back. You told him "make me" He started a fight with you You lost the fight very very badly. I am afraid this situation is that simple to me.

Its extremely easy for us to analyze the effects of things after the fact and try to say whether or not something was or was not good RP. It does not necessarily mean someone's actions where wrong. In this case i think its extremely unfair of you to absolve yourself here. You where quite literally inviting conflict by saying "make me". He is an antag and thus is allowed to try to kill people if he has a reason. I understand you did not enjoy this at all and i am empathetic to that. I do however still believe this is an IC issue.

This seems like a highly unusual call to make if for no other reason than it makes absolutely no sense for our lore. The Legion are not a group of monkeys looking to shoot first and ask questions later. They are a group of trained volunteers who joined the legion to serve the republic of biesal. There is absolutely no reason a force employed by the republic of biesal would start attacking a nanotrasen owned space station. I understand you certainly had good intentions with this. I do however think that it is a little unreasonable to assume a force of antags equipped with strong weapons and good armor are not going to use them. Like, logically what was most likely to happen here? It is certainly acceptable for administrators to add new antags to the round but in this case the legion should have just been offered the chance to join as an actual merc team so as to not break lore.

So lets see if i understand this series of events. 1. Librarian is an angry traitor 2. OP uses a book from the library 3. Librarian angrily demands the book be put back onto the shelf 4. OP declines saying "Make me" 5. Librarian attacks OP with his cane. Causing so much damage OP has to spend a lengthy time in medical being healed. This is about as clear cut an IC issue as i could imagine i am afraid to say.

Getting a second opinion on this. Sorry for the delay. @HouseOfSynthwhat do you think about the feedback i have posted here?

Locking and archiving.

So let me see if i understand this train of events. 1. Theorleans is playing as nick volvalaad during a heist round. 2. Joseph locke, an IC friend of nick volvalaad was nearly killed by a Vox. 3. The same badly hurt nick volvalaad. 4. The Vox was gunned down in a firefight 5. Nick assuming the Vox was dead began dislocating the Vox's limbs in rage. 6. The vox dies and nick kicks their head in a bit. 7. Sometime on the shuttle nick throws the corpse against the window. There is of course information i am missing. I do not know the specifics of the firefight or how the vox was gunned down. It seems reasonable though for me to assume that it was fair of you to assume the vox was dead. While i am usually very critical of security who want to do "heat of the moment" things like this i feel that the end result here was relatively tame. That is to say the body of a Vox was beaten up and abused. This would be one thing if you arrested and brigged the vox and you just decided to toss em down disposals.

I was lucky to be able to count you as my friend and partner. I still am. I told you once that aurora would always have a place for you. I meant it.

Locking and archiving.

I will ask synth to provide his reasoning here and then we can go from there.

Hello I apologize for letting this sit. I honestly forgot about it. It is completely and totally my fault. I did however ask for a second opinion from @Alberyk and he concurred with the reasoning i have given you here. We do not believe the issues i have stated are simply IC issues and we believe the warning given is valid.

Sorry i missed your post or this would not be two posts. Ok i understand this. My objection to this is i think it is perfectly acceptable for someone to view their character as a representation of themselves. There have certainly been times i have encouraged people to try new things but the bar for this and the bar set by this thread are WOOOOORLDS apart. I am talking literal carbon copies worse even than nanako. I just feel like how you actually roleplay. Whether you make an effort to talk to people or if you end up in the brig drinking space cleaner. Those things are what i think of when i think of how good someone can RP.

Im just messin around with ornias because he ahelps like this a lot. I find it funny and i hope he does too. I exploded at you because you mentioned me being obtuse on purpose. i felt that "i am unconvinced this is an issue" is a reasonable stance to hold given the points i have made. That it is both not an issue and difficult to do anything about is also logical given the points i have made. I do not think its fair to intentionally split it into a dichotomy you know is not my point. Well i think my first post explained why i do not like this policy suggestion. At the end of the day i do have one of the final says.

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THE DETRIMENT OF THE SERVER THE DETRIMENT OF THE SERVER Ok you have really scared me now. My hands are shaking as i type this. Can you tell me how this is to the server's detriment? I do not think its a big deal for two characters to be similar or mirror certain traits.

My answer to this is the same as the logic in my previous answers. I do not consider this a problem. I suppose i would assuming two identical characters with different names. That is not what i said..... Why are you the way you are?

Because i say so. I am still not convinced this is an issue. It is as difficult for us to prove two characters act the same.

it does not give us visual information You are attributing to malice that which is easily explainable by far less nefarious means. That of comfort specifically and unconsciously at that. It is completely reasonable for a player to just be comfortable with a certain look. This is fine to do. You are free to do so. Unfortunately only one of us is headmeme.

No i dont like this for a variety of reasons. 1. It is incredibly difficult to moderate EDIT We cant see pictures like we can in-game. Makes it annoying. 2. It assumes players are acting in bad faith I will quote you here I think you have already decided that someone is engaging in some level of deception if they apply one character's look to another one. I think it is more likely they just prefer a certain look and unconsciously apply it to other characters they create. I think its super unreasonable to bwoink someone because their character looks like one of their other characters. 3. Its just not an issue. I do not think this is a thing people do a lot. In fact its an anomaly when i see even two different player's character look similar. I am not really in the business of creating policy or rules for things i do not see as issues. In conclusion i feel that this is far too much effort for absolutely no gain and the entire premise of this suggestion is inappropriate.