Garnascus

They think i dont notice when they respawn multiple elections to rig the elections. #FEELTHEBERN

Its gonna be REAL hard to strike a balance with it. too severe and it becomes a snowball that results in way more emergency shuttles during pretty much every code red scenario. Too little and it becomes an annoyance that players just flat out ignore.. Personally, I think no matter how lethal you make it the bodies and blood will still just be ignored. "Captain shit is kill and there's holes everywhere go clean that shit yourself". Although I kinda want to say "yes" just for the sole reason we might have ERT called specifically as literal cleanup detail, which is hilarious.

In all ways except physical I am a meme.

Did some things here, lets please remain on topic from now on. I don't want to see any more personal attacks and anger.

You dont have to assume everyones going to valid you at any moment but not taking a few precautions to at least even the playing field a bit isnt anyone's fault but yours. Only ten minutes? i thought it was a lot longer than that honestly. Personally i wouldnt mind borrowing a page out of skull's book and having a bash on this among staff to establish some clear consensus around ambushes. If aurora is such a shit hole and RP is fucking dead you dont have to keep coming back yah know.

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Correct, and this is a good thing. Enforcing the letter of the rules and having super strict rules outlining literally everything is objectively bad. Whats much more effective is having a decent set of core values or rules and then using your judgement to decide on the grey areas. I like to ask myself "is this decision in line with the spirit of this server" the answer to this question is much more important to me than what the actual rule says. No do not try to take that as me saying "I AM THE LAW" because im not, nor do i want to hear "then why even have rules?" we are both more intelligent than that. What im saying is the whole picture and the context of every variable is important. In your scenario you listed it might be ok and it might now be. It depends on how the round went and the interaction up until then. I am also not really interested in debating "what if" scenarios.

Its really not that complex of an issue Jboy, it was literally my first post. Ambushes arent outlined in our rules so i have to make a judgement call on the situation. Antags formulated a plan to take out some security members to transition to endgame. In this case it was the HoS plus a detective(i think?). The executed the plan and...it worked, security lost, successful ambush is successful. NOW the crew has to deal with two security members missing and going like "oh shit wheres the HoS?". If you where watching the round the HoS eventually got cloned and launched an investigation into the string of mysterious murders until finally brigging all three of the lings. I think this would have been a great round if both security and the lings didnt take to OOC so much to complain but thats neither he nor their.

you're citing rules that dont apply to this situation and arguing for the letter without understanding why the rule exists in the first place. Theres such an enormous gap in our arguments. you keep saying "everyone" like its the whole server against me when theres a fair amount of people on my side. This shouldnt be about "sides" in the first place though. The bottom line is i feel the situation contributed enough to the larger RP game as a whole to make it valid, i do not consider "ambushes" to be "ganks".

yes, there was larger scale RP. Going after the CE 10 minutes into the round in that situation was shit and we dealt with it. At this point we are kinda just going in circles, i havent seen anything as of yet to convince me otherwise.

Also let me go into a bit more detail on why i made that comment about the focus on who did what wrong. I think if security had taken more appropriate measures the situation wouldnt have turned out so badly for them. Such as not sending the HoS to the scene. Perhaps ordering all the engineers away before entering. maintaining control of the situation somehow so that they cant just get the jump on you like that. You didnt do anything wrong as far as rules go of course. i just think its more reasonable to focus on what you could have done better than screaming at the lings for "gank" =\

Just because complaints get made against me doesnt mean they are valid. Most of them i was either found to be in the right or i changed my mind after some discussion. sorry jboy but you dont hold a monopoly on whats great and whats poor. "poor decisions" = "decisions i dont agree with"

#RINDIDNOTHINGWRONG. Well no, she kinda did. She got warned for the first instance which was a gank. second instance is valid. Third instance is also valid. She got permabrigged for double homicide and in walks one little cadet? If we could start focusing on things the non-antags did wrong that would be great....

You cant cite rules on gank when i dont consider it a gank in the first place... I said in my first post that i think theres a huge difference between gank and ambush. I also spent some time saying there was RP.

It sure is a hell of a lot of fun though hive. I think you deny an awesome thing for yourself by not letting yourself get attached. Getting burned like that never gets easier, but it does get more fun. We got something here in aurora hive, this place fucking sucks but I love every detail of it.

Righto lets all ease up a bit ok? We all just want to have fun playing a game, no need to sling shit at each other in a complaint. I think the criticism delta levies against yinzr is worth discussing. Would the better option have been to do nothing and let you walk out? Also i haven't spoken on the second issue yet because I want to test some mechanics/verify exactly how robust they are. Even still a throat slit I agree was too far. Is it possible to cut of limbs while wearing one? What could he have done differently delta?

The victims got some interaction out of it too. They got notified of a crime scene and the HoS himself shows up with only a detective. He was called there so he could get ambushed. There's a lot of ways security could have handled this situation "better". I just don't think this was gank.

Im inclined to side with hive a bit here honestly (Wtf). The plan was to...run up and flash a hostage and then try to take them away? That seems.....really dumb to me :C

Where are you getting this information from? Are you referring to our IPC shell code?

In my opinion. There is a huge difference between a "gank" and an ambush. After investigating this particular incident I found that the lines coordinated in hive chat to take you guys out. They called you specifically to an area without witnesses or cameras on the premise of "hey someone was murdered here". It is, I think a lot different than an antag pulling out a rifle and gunning down departures. There was planning to this and a reason for your murder. The reason being getting rid of the HaS and obtaining his DNA. I can understand being angry at this though. I would be too but I think this is just an unfortunate case of you being collateral. The above issue contains some Grey areas and some controversial elements I think. The incident on the shuttle however is pretty open and shut. The emergency shuttle docked and you beat a prisoner who was cuffed so I warned you. Its...that simple in my opinion. Its one of those rules we can't really make allowances for. That being said the shuttle isn't a magic safe zone. You can still arrest people.

err....does anyone still care about this :C?

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Yeah they had a medical space suit on.

http://pastebin.com/9Y59MUZt OK, i think thats all there now. Sorry this was 100X harder than it had to be. I had to leave for work when i was initially PMing you and i gotta get these logs without all my usual programs on this laptop.

wait..its not there? son of a...uhh let me see if i can fix this