Garnascus

Only way to do it is ask for ghosts and then manually spawn people in. Something I personally have only done once and other mins only do incredibly rarely. There's a verb to force ERT that causes the normal announcement and lets ghosts join though. I never use it though.

ERP endgame is totally legit yeah. Seriously though, you just need to have a fair bit of buildup and escalate it properly. These things are incredibly lethal and usually end the round. So they are most appropriate as final solutions given how much buildup they require. What is and isn't justifiable buildup is tricky to pin down in words. They are usually a case by case basis since they happen so rarely and players usually ahelp for guidance.

I lump all those massive killer things together. Plasma fire,singulo,sharknado, and slimes. I think they should be thought of more as "antag endgame". Kinda how we view nar'sie for the cult.

We have long established and enforced as staff that mass murder can be valid. I do it almost everytime I manage to get antag. The staple here is you need quite a bit to justify it. Fowl went a bit too overboard in this situation for me to just warn. A small antag ban was applied, thats really as far as this goes. Unleashing the slime apocalypse can absolutely be a valid tactic. I've seen it done legit a few times. A sticky in general or a server announcement would be a better place for this PSA. I will be locking and archiving this in 24 hours if nobody has anything else to add.

Delta's interview and responses.

Nursie's interview responses below!

Support, its such an awful item now. you used to be able to stun people to the ground by hitting them in the leg with it. Its such a useless weapon now for how rare it is.

I have discussed this with the rest of the moderation team. There are numerous problems with your conduct in this situation pootismaniac. its true you had the chefs body in the back and the murder weapon you. You did however have many options against a security team investigating the area and could have done something other than immediately venting the place. Even if things got ugly you very easily could have kept control of the situation while still offering some interesting interaction to them. Plain and simple, you went way too far way too quickly. The second problem here is you have a consistent MO of antagging as that character. You kidnap people and take over the outpost and then escalate violence from their. Doing literally the same thing over and over is questionable at best. We pretty much universally agree as staff that a line needs to be drawn somewhere and you have far exceeded it. The third and final problem here is your history. I dont need to tell you that your history is a mile long. I had a discussion with you not too long ago and documented it that you are very close to a permaban. Funnily enough you received a few notes/warnings after this talk, how i dont know but im sorry enough is enough. You have shown a clear history over the last 3-4 months of blatant powergaming, low quality of RP, self-antagging and a huge list of other offences. The whole of our administration and moderation team and i personally cannot go an inch further. I will be applying a permanent ban to your account. You are encouraged to create an unban appeal when you feel the time is right.

Antags only cause an ERT when they murderbone? Lolno ERT get called to curbstomp the antags that killed them in the round. Getting called for engineering/medical reasons happen, I miss spoke. I don't know how you managed to bring up group happiness over singular enjoyment but.... If ERT get called to deal with an antag its almost always a salty bunch of deadchat warriors eager to get revenge. You basically want it easier for them to get it which is not something I will ever cater to. If antags murderboning and not breaking any server rules well....thems the breaks.

That is a horrible argument and you know better meowy. Antags are there to create the story, they are the main characters essentially. ERT are called with the SOLE and SINGULAR goal to hunt down and kill the antags. The OP has a serious problem in its premise. You don't like when antags fuck off when they see ERT get called. There's a very good reason antags do this. It brings their antagging to a huge halt because its near impossible to resist ERT even with numbers advantage. Its not fun and if ERT get called they have done quite a bit already so they leave to stay alive. The problem is much better served focusing on the real issue, ERT is crazy strong and fighting/resisting them is a pointless and unfun waste of time.

Noooo. Fighting any decent ERT is almost impossible. When an antag gets the notice of them coming they know they need to either GTFO or blend in real quick. ERT is already a salty horde of validhunting ghosts. Im not keen on forcing antags to deal with them and die for lack of info.

Both players are essentially "on watch", this incident alone wasnt enough to take severe action. This will be locked and archived in 24 hours unless in missing some critical evidence.

I spoke to both players in question here. The HoS was basically just going along with the captain and the captain was unaware of the regulations applying to non-crew and thus being against his implant. Even still they owned up to it real quick and apologized so I let them both off with a note. I apologize not communicating this to you but both have been lectured on what we expect from whitelisted players. If this kind of tying repeats its easily something tish and I would strip a whitelisted for.

I have no idea where you are getting your info nanako. We have never prohibited any race from being an antag. That would be hilariously stupid.

Locking and archiving.

You kinda dropped off the face of the earth during your last trial. Why would this time be any different? You also can be kinda non-serious in PMs to players, do you think you can be serious when needed?

This is the kind of attitude i really dont want to see, you have a complaint made against you and your behavior. Its expected you respond to it. this actually IS the place to discuss this. character complaints are a forum for players to bring up issues with other players conduct.

Oki Oki, ill see what I can do in PMing sleep and lemon to post their side here. ill have to check to see who players sharja.

The first time you have made a complaint isn't really something to note . If im understanding this correctly you believe the mutiny was for an awful reason? Three people took part in it?

this, its honestly crazy the amount of ahelps we get about this XD. To be fair though im not sure if this is stated anywhere in a wiki.

The extent of inter-department communication here was "yo chemist gimme some acid" "ok here you go". it was annoying more than anything =\. I dunno if people are looking to RP during getting something to do their job but maybe im wrong.

Not everything we enforce is written explicitly on the rules mate, they would have to pages and pages long if we did. It has been the case for as long as I have been on staff you need to wait unti two hours have passed before calling a vote. That said we usually just say "yo don't do that". Since you received a warning i can only assume you where talked to about this once before?

Yeah those are fair points honestly, I'm a bit conflicted here a I'm gonna ask the opinion of other admins/mods before a Final judgment.

no, read what i said. poot had just murdered the chef and hid his body in the back room. What where they supposed to do? let you search the area and then perma brig them?

Well...no, the atmos grief clause in our rules is generally meant for large scale atmos shenanigans. Like filling the station with plasma or N2. Venting a single area of oxygen isnt atmos grief, if it was atmos grief we would have to antag ban every traitor AI. No powergaming. Roleplay precedes over objectives - do not engage in behavior which would be unrealistic for your character in an attempt to win the round. Im not quite sure this is even powergame honestly. Combat and actions can be roleplay and i think if she had the murder weapon on her and the body of the chef nearby she was in a position where shes "caught red-handed".