Garnascus

Right so, i found out how to view a player's notes without them being logged in. Apologies on that i didnt know that was possible. Anyway i will send you a PM with a screenshot of the relevant note history here from what i can see and ill try to get in touch with baka as it was apparently her decision to ban you from the note here.

Right, you're unbanned now. Just be careful and follow server rules and you'll be fine. locking and archiving

Alright, so if unban you then you agree to FIRST re-read our rules and understand the conduct expected of players here? and that if staff DO pm you that you will remain as respectful as we do during PMs? Finally there wont be much leniance shown if you do break this rule again but so long as you agree to all of this i have no problem giving you a second chance.

The questions i have are, what was the contents of this autoinjector? was any RP given to jim before hand?

I have some questions for mrimatool. Firstly why was a durand made for you in the first place considering you had an ample security force? Secondly how do you respond to the charges of searching places while in the durand for "terrorists" essentially valid hunting?

Right so, it looks like when you ahelped over your displeasure towards a prison sentence you where incredibly rude and abusive to one our staff, why did you decide to take your frustration out on them like this and if i unban you here how do i know it wont be a problem in the future?

RIght, i havent seen callum in a while so ill take over this unban request, im sorry for forgetting about it. Im going to check the notes on your ban and get to you here

ehh...ok

BYOND Key: Garnascus Player Byond Key: Garnascus Staff involved: It was not ahelped but i might be wrong here Reason for complaint: Let me first offer an explanation about why i am making a complaint against myself, in short because an extreme amount of displeasure was expressed in dead chat over my play on my RD character thaumiel during a malf AI. I wasnt able to properly explain myself with all the chat flying and still being in game and i encouraged those wronged in their minds to write a complaint so that we could logically sort through all of this and determine if i was actually a shit or not. I find out the next day after and...interesting cult round that the players neglected to write a complaint due to lack of faith in staff and that nothing will come of it. that makes me angry, im not fond of the idea that whenever i might screw up or go over the line of rules while playing that my mistakes will be covered up simply because of my position as a moderator for this server. The reality is i am and should be held to a higher standard than that. My purpose here is to open the forum for discussion and hopefully prepare a crucible that will burn away all but the truth. My record since becoming a moderator is 100% clean, i have not faced any administrative punishment for any play up until now but i am a moderator and dish out punishments and judgements regularly and as such have ZERO excuse to not fully understand what is and is not okay. Therefore should it be found here that my RD play was indeed out of bounds then i think a RD job ban of three days is appropriate, ill place it myself if i have to. So without further ado lets get onto the actual meat of the issue. It was a malf-Ai round in which i was playing as my RD character thaumiel. The ai player was ALPHA (unknown ckey as of this time). It began the shift by shortly announcing that it had orders from CC about certain procedures to enact because of some biohazard protocol. My RD thought this odd but didnt really care so long as "my work isnt disturbed". He began to get a peculiar feeling that central command had not communicated with command staff about the biohazard and instead where giving orders solely through the AI. this coupled with the apparent lack of any evidence of a biohazard i decided to fax central command about the nature of these orders. I recieved a reply from a duty officer (i believe it was nursekitty) stating that there where no orders being given and as far as they knew there was biohazard threat. I waited a little bit and asked the AI over PDA messages about the true nature of whatever he was doing. In my mind as the RD i had enough evidence to suspect there was something very off about the AI. It told me there was still a biohazard and i confronted it with the duty officer correspondence i had recieved. It told me they where lieing to me and had deleted all logs of the orders from the telecomms because it was such a threat and it cautioned me from continueing this line of questioning else i would be deemed a threat to the operation. I was trying to get it to admit that there was a problem with its laws as i figured i had enough evidence to believe so. It instead decided to still deny this so i made an announcement informing the crew if the duty officer correspondence and that the biohazard was a lie. My next course of action was to take a look at the robotics console and take a look at the cyborgs. there where two and close by (i think?) so i locked them down with the idea to bring them to my lab and un-slave them from the AI so they could choose to help it or me. however immediately after i locked the borgs down a console in my office blew up and i recieved heavy damage. I logically assumed this was the work of the AI trying to silence me and so i retaliated...by blowing up both cyborgs. what followed after this was parts of security trying to make it to the AI core to turn it off/kill it with us eventually being successful Im probably leaving some things out but its not intentional. I like to think im a fairly reasonable person, lets get all sides of the story here and examine the data. Approximate Date/Time: 11/1/2015

okay, this is some BULLSHIT jackboot. when we let you into the secret ERP club that normally is excluded for msay we thought you wouldnt tell people. wtf is this

Unfortunately ill be asleep by then but I'm sure you will be on at some point when I wake up and we can discuss all this then.

This is only going to generate more RP on extended rounds or when atags aren't causing a mass of injuries. If I'm playing a doctor and my medbay is full of injured people then there is no RP. There's no time. Toxins takes longer to heal? You spend more time in the sleeper.... Recovery from cuts/burns takes longer to heal? You get to spend time sitting in the lobby.... Oxygen/clone/genetic damage takes longer to heal? Have fun role-playing while you're unconscious in the cryo tube. Your changes MIGHT make RP a bit nicer so long as shot hasn't hit the fan and medbay only has one or two patients. Second medbay starts really filling up with people and people start coming in faster than doctors can get am out then they are just gonna rage quit.

Maybe there's some merit to this if they all reset after the round. After thinking about this a little more... I think is be fine with them working for just the round and if staff get a log of it, no i don't have in mind to bwoink someone over a mute or try to overrule it. Mostly so we could see something like player X consistently getting a lot of mutes from players.

Increasing the timer on surgical operations would probably be the most infuriating change you could make to medical. When shit hits the fan the surgery room can be in constant use and there's usually a line of people waiting to get surgery so that they can get back into the round. Artificially lengthening procedures is going to pissed off the patients and its going to pissed of the surgeon whose already getting screamed at by LITERALLY EVERYONE. I think damage is applied fine, in fact maybe its TOO easy to fix someone up with the plethora of med packs and medicine bottles and sleepers available. Its abut funny that one of the most dangerous states you can get in is blood loss and even then medbay comes stocked with plenty of blood packs.

Techno I know you have next to no faith in them but staff complaints exist if you think a decision was made against you unjustly and urban appeals exist if you are actually in the wrong. If you are still awake and in game in three hours from now when I get home from work I will personally through each and every note/warning/ban on your account and go from there.

We could just have it show the round type that wins according to this proposed system. I can understand not wanting to play certain characters for certain round types and I have always really liked a system like this in similar games. Gives that one person voting voting wizard or ninja a chance.

if OOC chat was even close to the cess pool people in this thread are making it out to be i might agree....

If you see a problem/rule violation occur and you dont ahelp then you are contributing to the problem. Staff are not omniscient. Although our protocol for ahelps has very recently changed. We can now report back to the original ahelper about what we did and our reasoning for it. In the past we would just say "its been dealt with" which I agree can be incredibly frustrating.

Well the problem with that scenario delta is if staff tell you to stop then there is no "arguing for hours" it stops or we mute them, simple. Ideally its stopped before a blacklist even needs to be used.

I do not feel scientists handing out weapons and hunting atags is a large enough issue to warrant such a game mechanic. If scientists ARE doing this then its very likely an OOC issue and should be ahelped as we have rules against powergaming and antag hunting.

I don't think players being able to blacklist others so that they can't see their OOC chat is a good idea. I think its too excessive a solution for a problem that has much healthier ways of being handled. Such as PMing the player in question over byond and try to reach some amicable conclusion. I also don't want to see groups forming of "this person has these three muted" and "these two are muted by this guy". If you have a problem with someone talk to them and if they being a Dick ahelp it.

I think the cons outweigh the pros here. We as staff can handle any troublemakers who are toeing the line or being far too aggressive over certain topics. The argument that we are too conservative about doing this has some merit however, we don't outright ban discussions on politics or religion and even trolling and posting memes is fine to an extent. Perhaps this issue is better framed as "is there a point we can agree on that someone should be muted or talked to" and "are staff doing enough to combat it if there is such a problem".

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As small as this community is i feel like there's better ways to solve "I don't like what you're saying". Ahelping is a thing or you could try pming them over byond.

I don't think there is any relation to lightscopes and the real scopes. Probably just a coincidence.