Garnascus

I think this is less the case of stereotypes dissapearing and more about our playerbase evolving to find the current format (tajarans as heads of staff, unathi outside security) is much healthier and more fun for our server.

I can't say I've noticed very many homosexual characters but I think its mostly because the majority of our playerbase understands its kind of silly to define a character soley around sexuality preferences. If your character likes men, great. If your character likes women that's also great. I don't think it neccesarily chucks people into any sort of category. Its just another equity they choose to build their character with.

I can't say I've noticed very many homosexual characters but I think its mostly because the majority of our playerbase understands its kind of silly to define a character soley around sexuality preferences. If your character likes men, great. If your character likes women that's also great. I don't think it neccesarily chucks people into any sort of category. Its just another equity they choose to build their character with.

We have reached the point of no return in the fight against tone policing. Call it what you will but its important to me and i felt strongly enough about it to post about it here.

We have reached the point of no return in the fight against tone policing. Call it what you will but its important to me and i felt strongly enough about it to post about it here.

Seems reasonable to me. I don't see a problem with just having the ship spawn with some masks.

Seems reasonable to me. I don't see a problem with just having the ship spawn with some masks.

As a fellow moderator in gonna have to 100% agree with this. Our position as moderators is inherently authoritative and intimidating. I think the mark of a good moderator is accounting for this as much as possible so long as the other party is respectful. I also feel context is extremely important here as well and I find a bit of issue with the wording of the warning. If I investigated an issue about this player in the future that note would make me lump him in with other chucklefucks we deal with who use "nobody told me no" or "didn't know I couldn't do it lol". The warning was just and the right decision but I take issue with staff conduct here as well and with the wording of the warning. Also tainavaa asserting facts and data is admirable but it can come off as cold or robotic even when we don't take into account the intent or emotion behind them. Especially when our actions as mods are examined under a microscope as representative of the server. Just the advice of someone who had to learn the hard way the importance of a little empathy.

As a fellow moderator in gonna have to 100% agree with this. Our position as moderators is inherently authoritative and intimidating. I think the mark of a good moderator is accounting for this as much as possible so long as the other party is respectful. I also feel context is extremely important here as well and I find a bit of issue with the wording of the warning. If I investigated an issue about this player in the future that note would make me lump him in with other chucklefucks we deal with who use "nobody told me no" or "didn't know I couldn't do it lol". The warning was just and the right decision but I take issue with staff conduct here as well and with the wording of the warning. Also tainavaa asserting facts and data is admirable but it can come off as cold or robotic even when we don't take into account the intent or emotion behind them. Especially when our actions as mods are examined under a microscope as representative of the server. Just the advice of someone who had to learn the hard way the importance of a little empathy.

As far as I saw there weren't any whelps on this if it did occur. However the harm baton spam may have made me miss it. Did you or anyone else personally witness this?

As far as I saw there weren't any whelps on this if it did occur. However the harm baton spam may have made me miss it. Did you or anyone else personally witness this?

@ffrances, I agree that the warden had reason to be freaked out and he absolutely had reason to get a weapon. the issue is he engaged lethals and fired on an officer who tried to stop him from sparking a firefight in the hall. I maintain i think this is absurd escalation of force @hive essentially what i told ffrances. At no point in my investigation was it told or did i discover the cultists where threatening/preparing for violence. All they had done up to that point was summon a spooky ghost and draw some runes in blood, that is frankly not enough.

@ffrances, I agree that the warden had reason to be freaked out and he absolutely had reason to get a weapon. the issue is he engaged lethals and fired on an officer who tried to stop him from sparking a firefight in the hall. I maintain i think this is absurd escalation of force @hive essentially what i told ffrances. At no point in my investigation was it told or did i discover the cultists where threatening/preparing for violence. All they had done up to that point was summon a spooky ghost and draw some runes in blood, that is frankly not enough.

Yep, im still with delta on this one. I frankly just do not agree that discussion of religion and politics is that much of an issue. Its very easy to curtail the discussion if it gets to the point of insults and as long as its before that point i actually think its healthy to our server.

Yep, im still with delta on this one. I frankly just do not agree that discussion of religion and politics is that much of an issue. Its very easy to curtail the discussion if it gets to the point of insults and as long as its before that point i actually think its healthy to our server.

Unfortunately ffrances i cannot agree. This would likely have never even resulted in me bwoinking him if he hadn't had his carbine set to lethal s initially. I disagree that he had reason to engage them and i disagree with the wardens actions in regards to the cultists. Spawning holograms and even painting runes in your own blood is just not even close to justify this, i frankly cannot see it. The officer who arrested the warden was absolutely in the right considering his firearm was set to lethal. Also Hive deadchat is not staff and we are not omniscient about every incident that occurs here. If you ever have a problem ahelp it and we will investigate it.

Unfortunately ffrances i cannot agree. This would likely have never even resulted in me bwoinking him if he hadn't had his carbine set to lethal s initially. I disagree that he had reason to engage them and i disagree with the wardens actions in regards to the cultists. Spawning holograms and even painting runes in your own blood is just not even close to justify this, i frankly cannot see it. The officer who arrested the warden was absolutely in the right considering his firearm was set to lethal. Also Hive deadchat is not staff and we are not omniscient about every incident that occurs here. If you ever have a problem ahelp it and we will investigate it.

Right so first off your ban is for three days, not a week and half a day. I was aware you where having power issues and its unfortunate you disconnected in the middle of our PM's but i was 100% confident in the decision i made and the evidence i had gathered. So, lets recap a bit. You as a warden become irritated with "cultists" spawning a hologram and causing muscle spasms of another player, as well as spawning runes. Your response to this was to exercise your access of warden and go and get a carbine, setting it to lethals. You then ask the cultists to cease. You can justify this all you want with IC motivation but this is pretty flagrant powergaming and can end up forcing the antag's hand before they actually start causing REAL havok. So i checked logs and PM a few people and find that when the officer arrested you for this you fired /lethal/ shots at him almost killing him once. This is beyond absurd and and in NO way justified by IC depression or irritation. You are a warden of nanotrasen and expected to have reasonable control of your emotions. Unfortunately this doesn't end there, shortly after being released i watched you walk out of the brig south entrance and he second you saw the officer in question you fired lethal shots directly at his head, without any RP. I agree you absolutely had grounds for an IC altercation, however dispensing a carbine to yourself, threatening antags to cease, firing lethals on an officer stopping you, and then finally killing them when released is frankly unnaceptable.

Right so first off your ban is for three days, not a week and half a day. I was aware you where having power issues and its unfortunate you disconnected in the middle of our PM's but i was 100% confident in the decision i made and the evidence i had gathered. So, lets recap a bit. You as a warden become irritated with "cultists" spawning a hologram and causing muscle spasms of another player, as well as spawning runes. Your response to this was to exercise your access of warden and go and get a carbine, setting it to lethals. You then ask the cultists to cease. You can justify this all you want with IC motivation but this is pretty flagrant powergaming and can end up forcing the antag's hand before they actually start causing REAL havok. So i checked logs and PM a few people and find that when the officer arrested you for this you fired /lethal/ shots at him almost killing him once. This is beyond absurd and and in NO way justified by IC depression or irritation. You are a warden of nanotrasen and expected to have reasonable control of your emotions. Unfortunately this doesn't end there, shortly after being released i watched you walk out of the brig south entrance and he second you saw the officer in question you fired lethal shots directly at his head, without any RP. I agree you absolutely had grounds for an IC altercation, however dispensing a carbine to yourself, threatening antags to cease, firing lethals on an officer stopping you, and then finally killing them when released is frankly unnaceptable.

Well as a trial moderator it is sort of my mandate to stomp out shitlords. I agree whining doesn't work, I have much more effective strategies. Asking them nicely to stop and then elevating to individual mutes/bwoinks.

This same sort of fallacy gets brought up a lot when people discuss the toxic in game chat of many league of legends games. "Just mute them" or in this case "just toggle OOC chat" is not an excuse for people to be shitlords in OOC

Damnit you know what i mean... not ALL fir- never mind. Its relatively simply to moderate OOC and a stop to it when things get too heated.

Its quite easy to discuss in mod chat if the discussion gets too heated, i think banning topics just because they are incredibly likely to end in heated arguments is a bit silly. We might as well ban fire because arsonists exist.

I felt i was pretty clear when i explained the rules you violated and exactly how you violated them when i was PMing you. It appears i was mistaken so i shall try once again. You have left out some information in your post. You where arrested for disabling cameras, partially constructing an AI core, AND ( this is the part you left out) you broke into the RD's office and stole the messenger server code because "im the only one here so that makes me acting RD" yeah no... SO then the officers bring you in and place a thirty five minute sentence on you, now lets think about this for a second here. you decided that it was perfectly reasonable for you IC to escape from this "unjust" sentence. you literally broke out of the brig for a THIRTY FIVE MINUTE SENTENCE. this is in no way reasonable for a nanotrasen employee regardless of how your character's personality is. but wait theres more! after you where run down by security the officers explained to you that you were such a threat they where going to place you in perma. Well it seems to me a suspected terrorist breaking out of the brig is absolutely a warrant for perma. You were taken to the solitary cell and once there wrestled with the warden, stole his baton, hit him with it a few times until the investigator arrived a few seconds later. I was also ghosting at the time watching this unfold, the warden fired at you with his gun blowing your leg off. the warden was on the ground from being hit with a stun baton so he was NOT hit with the bullets. Im fairly certain i explained to you through the PM's he was not hit but if i didnt my apologies. So there we have it. You made an absurd escalation in belief that because of some comms problems and some power fluctuations that of course the AI must be wonky and decided would take it upon yourself to combat this "just in case". This is metagaming plain and simple. You broke in the RD's office and disabled cameras just in case he was watching you and stole the messaging server code. This is powergaming plain and simple. you resisted security over a thirty five minute sentence, struggled with an officer and stole his baton, until having to be taken down by the investigator's gun. this is self-antagonizing PLAIN AND SIMPLE. We do not hand out bans like candy nor do we make exceptions just because "its the weekend" you chose to break the rules and now you must face the consequences. if you feel my decision is unjust you can make a staff complaint against me.

I feel like using lethals on someone that tried so hard to bring you back into the round should be against some sort of....code... either way i feel like the jump to lethals was kinda unwarranted.