[Accepted] Soultheif96's Command Application Again

[Scheveningen]

Dealt with Sterben the other day as a head of security. After a critical moment when I was attempting to diplomatically neutralize a ninja and then had a brief lull attempting to gather additional information on the next step forward to deal with the wizard we hadn't yet engaged with, yourself and "B.E.N.", the IAA, insisted upon meeting with my head of security with a sense of urgency. Your character and whomever played B.E.N. then tossed a laptop onto my desk to inform me of using a chat room on the laptop in order to circumvent the matter of the ninja compromising communications. I clarified earlier that the matter of communications being compromised was irrelevant to myself and my department, as well as to the affairs of command as a whole, and I do also recall explaining that my character did not care if the ninja was listening in, and that they would continue to use the communications network if the transmission of said information was of equal or greater benefit to command or my own department than if it would be to the ninja.

Which was very strange that such an option was suggested despite my character's insight on the matter. Call me biased but I'm certain it was sound enough advice to be heeded in that circumstance, and I viewed that calling my head of security to remind them of a very suboptimal way to work around communications being compromised was not exactly a smart move or a good use of anyone's time. It seriously disrupted the chain of events and stalled efforts to ensure contact with the two round antagonists was established and that ground rules were also set in motion before anything particularly stupid happened. My character also didn't have enough time to establish "uh hey, these don't have notifications like PDAs do, so the laptop option is either unreliable or completely useless".

tl;dr:

1. Generally not a good idea to suggest laptop chat applications. My character won't carry around a laptop just to carry it obsessively and check it incidentally every 2 minutes. PDAs exist as the better option due to the directed nature of information flow that happens on a medium separate from in-person conversation, and thus should be the preferred method of comms if discretion is necessary.
2. Generally not a good idea to insinuate something is mission-critical and then transmit information to an important functionary of the station that wasn't exactly mission-critical to let someone know about it. Again, PDAing that as a suggestion would've done better than calling my character to their office just to have a very unnecessary conversation while I have pressing job and station-security concerns. 
3. There's a right way to do things and then there's a better way to do things. While not technically incorrect to ask to have an in-person conversation, it is more optimal to offer feedback or make suggestions through PDA messaging. This saves your time and my time and if I don't respond to the PDA message you can safely assume I'm too occupied to handle the concern at the moment.

[Soultheif96]

47 minutes ago, Scheveningen said:

Dealt with Sterben the other day as a head of security. After a critical moment when I was attempting to diplomatically neutralize a ninja and then had a brief lull attempting to gather additional information on the next step forward to deal with the wizard we hadn't yet engaged with, yourself and "B.E.N.", the IAA, insisted upon meeting with my head of security with a sense of urgency. Your character and whomever played B.E.N. then tossed a laptop onto my desk to inform me of using a chat room on the laptop in order to circumvent the matter of the ninja compromising communications. I clarified earlier that the matter of communications being compromised was irrelevant to myself and my department, as well as to the affairs of command as a whole, and I do also recall explaining that my character did not care if the ninja was listening in, and that they would continue to use the communications network if the transmission of said information was of equal or greater benefit to command or my own department than if it would be to the ninja.

Which was very strange that such an option was suggested despite my character's insight on the matter. Call me biased but I'm certain it was sound enough advice to be heeded in that circumstance, and I viewed that calling my head of security to remind them of a very suboptimal way to work around communications being compromised was not exactly a smart move or a good use of anyone's time. It seriously disrupted the chain of events and stalled efforts to ensure contact with the two round antagonists was established and that ground rules were also set in motion before anything particularly stupid happened. My character also didn't have enough time to establish "uh hey, these don't have notifications like PDAs do, so the laptop option is either unreliable or completely useless".

tl;dr:

1. Generally not a good idea to suggest laptop chat applications. My character won't carry around a laptop just to carry it obsessively and check it incidentally every 2 minutes. PDAs exist as the better option due to the directed nature of information flow that happens on a medium separate from in-person conversation, and thus should be the preferred method of comms if discretion is necessary.
2. Generally not a good idea to insinuate something is mission-critical and then transmit information to an important functionary of the station that wasn't exactly mission-critical to let someone know about it. Again, PDAing that as a suggestion would've done better than calling my character to their office just to have a very unnecessary conversation while I have pressing job and station-security concerns. 
3. There's a right way to do things and then there's a better way to do things. While not technically incorrect to ask to have an in-person conversation, it is more optimal to offer feedback or make suggestions through PDA messaging. This saves your time and my time and if I don't respond to the PDA message you can safely assume I'm too occupied to handle the concern at the moment.

On that, I have to agree, I may have interfered with your job as the Head of Security, and I regret doing so with such option. However, that was me getting used to being in command and I also thought perhaps it would be useful to provide a second communication option. 

So I will not be doing computers again. Will consider this from now on.

[Xelnagahunter]

I've played with both Sterben and Orion lately as my IAA Everett Millhouse. I've been conducting reviews, audits, and walkthroughs of employees and departments and I've done this to both Sterben and Orion while in command roles. I've held my command whitelist since only a month into my time on the Aurora and while not perfect, I've seen improvement in Soul's actions. There are concerns regarding the meta-knowledge and I've expressed them to the proper channels, but I believe they are working towards bettering themself. Speaking in LOOC and IC the intent of becoming better and betting departmental play is there. Provided the people under these characters don't go out of their way to undermine the authority of them I think Soul should have a grand chance to improve in all matters and become a wonderful command whitelist holder.

You have my support. +1

Good luck.

[KingOfThePing]

You did it again. Literally just now in the last round (bZ5-dpPm) you again, despite having a fully packed medical team you: Cured a virus on your own, diagnosed narcolepsy (and attempted or at least very well knew how to cure it), were following a surgeon into the OR, talking to him what he has to do about a routine, minmal intrusion operation (appendix, I believe). It looked like you normally would have absolutely done it yourself if you wouldn't have been on trial. I dont know who did medication that round, so I give you the benefit of the doubt. I have seen you work in the GTR, all in addition to what I have written before. Again, despite having chemistry staffed, having a Nurse, having more than one Surgeon having a Medical Doctor, Residents, even a psychiatrist etc, etc. The character is seemingly proficient in all medical fields. I have played most of the round myself but I would bet my left arm on it, that you have also performed surgery that round. You even, at one point near the end, went out to retrieve an antag, despite having not one, but two paramedics on call, even with an Odysseus. But no, you *have* to be in the front row, now matter what happens and no matter what it is. I think I have never spent so much time outside the medbay, the department you are supposed to delegate and lead, in my whole CMO time, than you in this round (Dramatic exaggeration). But you do not need to delegate and oversee anything, since you do it all yourself anyway. I can only guess how incredibly unfun this for the rest of the medbay must be. In Deadchat it was asked sarcastically "What can Sterben not do?", and the answer was, unanimously, "Nothing.".

You also sometimes make the most unnessecary announcements, lengthy, too. But that may just be something that I find distracting, when suddenly an announcement fills up half of my screen, so take this with a grain of salt. It almost feels like you want to drag them out tough, for whatever reason. This is not the first time you were met with critique like the one above. So I honestly ask you: Do you not care about changing this, are you just ignoring it, or are you unable to change your super-doctor "being-in-the-middle-of-attention" playstyle?

This is my third time commenting in this app and trust me, I derive no pleasure from this, but this is my third, big -1 from me.

[Soultheif96]

2 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

You did it again. Literally just now in the last round (bZ5-dpPm) you again, despite having a fully packed medical team you: Cured a virus on your own, diagnosed narcolepsy (and attempted or at least very well knew how to cure it), were following a surgeon into the OR, talking to him what he has to do about a routine, minmal intrusion operation (appendix, I believe). It looked like you normally would have absolutely done it yourself if you wouldn't have been on trial. I dont know who did medication that round, so I give you the benefit of the doubt. I have seen you work in the GTR, all in addition to what I have written before. Again, despite having chemistry staffed, having a Nurse, having more than one Surgeon having a Medical Doctor, Residents, even a psychiatrist etc, etc. The character is seemingly proficient in all medical fields. I have played most of the round myself but I would bet my left arm on it, that you have also performed surgery that round. You even, at one point near the end, went out to retrieve an antag, despite having not one, but two paramedics on call, even with an Odysseus. But no, you *have* to be in the front row, now matter what happens and no matter what it is. I think I have never spent so much time outside the medbay, the department you are supposed to delegate and lead, in my whole CMO time, than you in this round (Dramatic exaggeration). But you do not need to delegate and oversee anything, since you do it all yourself anyway. I can only guess how incredibly unfun this for the rest of the medbay must be. In Deadchat it was asked sarcastically "What can Sterben not do?", and the answer was, unanimously, "Nothing.".

You also sometimes make the most unnessecary announcements, lengthy, too. But that may just be something that I find distracting, when suddenly an announcement fills up half of my screen, so take this with a grain of salt. It almost feels like you want to drag them out tough, for whatever reason. This is not the first time you were met with critique like the one above. So I honestly ask you: Do you not care about changing this, are you just ignoring it, or are you unable to change your super-doctor "being-in-the-middle-of-attention" playstyle?

This is my third time commenting in this app and trust me, I derive no pleasure from this, but this is my third, big -1 from me.

Every round, emphasis on that, I give a full brief reminding each of them of their positions and call out if they are taking a patient or not. This is how I delegate. How I manage is by overseeing medical care and surgery, making sure there are no fatal mistakes made. If there is a fatal mistake made, I would point it out or intervene to mend said mistake. As for the announcements, I will just not make them unless asked to.  

The surgeon I was briefing was relatively new and I had to make sure that he knows specifically what to do, because if he did not take necessary steps to do a transplant, it will result with an infection. After that, I left him to his own devices, which did result in malpractice that I would have to correct. 

Secondly, the chemist has blatantly stated that she has no knowledge of virology so it is very difficult decision to make. Either put the patient through a very risky measure to be cured (Radium treatment) or go through the safe route, monkey trials. What did I choose? The safe path. No one wants to commit malpractice to cure a patient after retrieving them from death's hand that is radium. I am aware spaceacillin is present and I did tell the medical staff to utilize it and clean up all contaminants.

Lastly, the intruder did end up in the command surface entrance, which is hard to reach without AI intervention. She also threatened that if she dies, she goes in a bang. Will I sacrifice my paramedics to her or myself, I made a moral decision to sacrifice myself as I am expendable, organics are not. 

To close this, I do care to change and I have been delegating roles reasonably. I have not once done general care besides countering a virus, treated an organ rejection patient, and the antag. If you want me to cease doing so, I will then just strictly do surgery and general care. Nothing else. If someone dies outside of medical bay, I will say it is not my fault nor my role to go out and recover said patient. This one moment, I actually have to intervene and save the ninja. 

If you have a different way of how I should manage being a CMO, please tell how it should have been done and I will see to it. Also, do note that other CMOs have done chemistry and surgery route more than enough times, it became a clique. If you want me to break said clique, then I will do so if that is a major problem. 

[KingOfThePing]

Ah, yes. The "briefing" as you call it. It's funny you mention that. They are really, really motivational. I have the one you did on your very first CMO round. I can attach a screenshot of it, for everyone to read:

To me, personally, mind you, this reads as follows: "Hello, do your work, if you fuck up I will punish you and do it myself.". What kind of "briefing" is this supposed to be? Please explain it to me.

To the rest: You have no virologist? Unlucky, work around it, you often have none. Spaceacilling as a start, for example can often help, you even said you told it your staff (even though I did not see that, but again, benefit of the doubt). So why is the virus curing even needed? Ask your chemist to make other medication, like Steriziline and the other one, the name I can't remember right now. The surgery - got an infection anyway, so you apparently didn't do a very good job with "making sure he knows what he had to do".

The intruder, yes, was near the command surface entrance, that's correct. With the CE. Half of security and lastly you had an AI. You have staff. Use. It. You could apply that argument to *any* part of the station since even janitors have more access than your paramedics. It's something you have to play around, like everyone else.

11 minutes ago, Soultheif96 said:

Also, do note that other CMOs have done chemistry and surgery route more than enough times, it became a clique. If you want me to break said clique, then I will do so if that is a major problem. 

You clearly just do not understand what the problem is. The problem is not that you do surgery and chemistry. It's that you do surgery. And chemistry. And psychological treatment with the Crystal Chamber, for example. And Virology. And General Care. And first response. And - do you see my point? It's been raised several times and this will be the last time I explain it to you. If you still cannot see what the problem is, then I am sorry, I cannot help you.

Edited May 4, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[Soultheif96]

As a response to each of your negative feedback. I will begin with a clean slate, on a human CMO who only does chemistry and general practice. Perhaps that will demonstrate my ability to limit myself and show that I am capable of changing myself according to the feedback provided by the naysayers.

He will be Dr. Thomas Orlando, MD. in Chemistry and PhD. in general practice. Brought in from a triage ship called NSS Carina in Sol. His limitation is that he abhors doing surgery and will do anything to avoid doing such practice. Dr. Orlando can treat patients with traumas but will need a psychiatrist to provide professional insight on what is needed before Dr. Orlando hands over the prescriptions. Clone is not his forte and even thinks it is improper, but will let trained personnel handle the cloning aspect and will take in the clone for the remainder of the process that involves psychiatric medication. 

So I have made strict limitations on what he can do, no surgery except the basics, no advanced psychiatry, and no cloning. Those are the three out of six core values of medical department on Aurora. 

Yes, he will go out to rescue but if there is no available EMTs, and no, he is not EVA trained. 

[KingOfThePing]

You ask every round for feedback and critique, which I provided. My personal observations and thoughts. I am not the only one, clearly, having problems with your playstyle (not you, as a person or your work as CCIA). To call us "naysayers" - practically, I'd almost say, disregarding our critique as nothing else but negativity for negativities sake with that term, was maybe not the best course of action here.

You don't need to begin again with a clean slate, if it was because of my critique. I doubt you will be able to change my mind with it after this response of yours.

Edited May 4, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[Soultheif96]

4 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

Ah, yes. The "briefing" as you call it. It's funny you mention that. They are really, really motivational. I have the one you did on your very first CMO round. I can attach a screenshot of it, for everyone to read:

To me, personally, mind you, this reads as follows: "Hello, do your work, if you fuck up I will punish you and do it myself.". What kind of "briefing" is this supposed to be? Please explain it to me.

To the rest: You have no virologist? Unlucky, work around it, you often have none. Spaceacilling as a start, for example can often help, you even said you told it your staff (even though I did not see that, but again, benefit of the doubt). So why is the virus curing even needed? Ask your chemist to make other medication, like Steriziline and the other one, the name I can't remember right now. The surgery - got an infection anyway, so you apparently didn't do a very good job with "making sure he knows what he had to do".

The intruder, yes, was near the command surface entrance, that's correct. With the CE. Half of security and lastly you had an AI. You have staff. Use. It. You could apply that argument to *any* part of the station since even janitors have more access than your paramedics. It's something you have to play around, like everyone else.

You clearly just do not understand what the problem is. The problem is not that you do surgery and chemistry. It's that you do surgery. And chemistry. And psychological treatment with the Crystal Chamber, for example. And Virology. And General Care. And first response. And - do you see my point? It's been raised several times and this will be the last time I explain it to you. If you still cannot see what the problem is, then I am sorry, I cannot help you.

Look, that depends on the severity of the mistake the doctor made. Was it intentional or was accidental? If it is intentional, then yes, there will be punishment, perhaps even barred from medical bay. If it is a genuine mistake that even I can look over it, then no, there will be no punishment to be made. It depends on how severe the malpractice is. 

If I do not catch on these mistakes and completely disregard them, I might as well just go sip coffee in the CMO's office and not give a care until someone screams at me to go fix it. Mistakes is a difference between life and death.

I have seen people thrown out of medbay over these mistakes and barred to practice again for the shift, perhaps leave a bad impression on the workers in medbay. I rather step in, ask what they did, what measures they took, and did they learn from it. If they repeat it again, I will do the same by barring them from continuing their practice and request a demotion/suspension. 

[MissNatcula]

I've had no problem with Sterben the rounds he has been played as CMO. I've seen him around on other characters in the past I personally have not had a issue with him but I work in a different department so its hard to judge some one I only interact with once and a while.

 

For the most part I've had no issue. +1

[Predatory Instinct]

+1

I wholeheartedly believe that Soulthief is very capable on an OOC level of command roles, and ICly their character Sterben has been a lot of fun to interact with, granted I have had only brief or end-of-round interactions with them me being security and them being the Chief Medical Officer. I hope that they are approved fully, he is certainly deserving of it.\

[Playbahnosh]

+1

I played extensively with Sterben in the medbay, and I have to say he is one of the best CMOs I ever had. Granted, at first I, too, had suspicions about powergaming on the account of Sterben being able to perform basically any role in the medbay (and then some), but after playing with him 10+ rounds, I understand now. Sterben is a CMO, so to oversee the work of the medbay, he needs to have at least some understanding of each role performed there, be it surgery, pharmacology or psychiatry. Also, being an IPC (essentially a walking supercomputer), he can and should have access to the lexical knowledge about each job. He might not be able to automatically perform everything like a pro, but even a complete amateur can mix together a few liquids and powders going by a recipe for example, let alone a highly trained IPC. I personally only ever seen Sterben use this knowledge to keep the round going. If we didn't have a chemist, he made basic medication (not advanced stuff), if we didn't have a surgeon, or was busy, he jumped in to save a life or two, but I never seen him actively being a medical supergod. I didn't see him do any virology or psych stuff at all. But if the medbay was adequately staffed, he delegates. Sterben never took the work out of anyone's hands, he took a step back and only did management/oversight, just like a CMO should. He is a lot of fun to RP with and he always responds. I had CMOs (on this server and others) who basically shut themselves in their office or the bridge and didn't react to anyone. Sterben is "the people's CMO", medical staff can contact him with anything and everything and he always does his best to answer questions and provide help when needed.

Sterben is not nice. Sterben is an IPC, devoid of emotion. He is highly calculating, logical, but weirdly enough, has a surprising sense of empathy. Sure, his behavior can come off as cold and brash with his short, blunt and sometimes terse responses, but it's completely in-character for him. He takes his job very seriously, and that job is running an entire department that's tasked with keeping the whole crew healthy and alive. This is why he expects precision and obedience from all doctors, because in this job, lives literally hang in the balance. Him declaring, that malpractice and disobedience will be dealt with harshly, is not even expected, but actually welcome in my case. As a doctor or surgeon, if you screw up, people can die. The CMO needs to be iron fisted when it comes to the crew's wellbeing, and if as a doctor you don't like or agree with this, you shouldn't be in the medbay to begin with.

I wholeheartedly support SoulThief's application.

[VTCobaltblood]

oh yeah i forgot to mention, a CMO dropping a pair lungs on the cargo table and then putting them in a bag and being very surprised when nobody wants to ship them as bounty afterwards, going as childish as saying "Cargo won't get their bounty today." on the common radio was extremely weird and unprofessional

Edited May 8, 2019 by VTCobaltblood

[sonicgotnuked]

I do have experience with both Philips and recently Sterben within my playtime on the server when I've played a biochemist and when I am playing Research Director and I'll be posting my feedback on this closing day that their trial is operating. 

 

Regarding Philips, they did indeed seem a bit power-gamy when situations arise, but I enjoy the thought behind the character and the personality that they provide. My only gripes was of course this power-gamy aspect with chemistry equipment but I think it was kept generally towards defense and not a full hunt. Of course, this was a while ago and Soul as a player has been improving greatly and seeking improvement massivley which is something I respect for someone wishing to gain heads of staff positions. I've certainly seen worse play from other whitelisted players who at certain times shows no improvement at all. Should this lower our standards? No, but those individuals are dealt with at a case-by-case bases and I am sure Soul would improve to become an excellent whitelisted player given the time and effort.

 

On the bases of Sterben, My interactions with them are limited as the Research Director but I've seen them handle some great and confusing situations well in regards to a command player. Of course, Soul isn't perfect, but no one is perfect and the lungs on the table for example seems very minor and just a simple mistake in judgement that every head of staff player will commit. 

 

If this whitelist goes into a decision leaning towards a denial, I strongly urge to give Soul an extension on their trial because I feel like they have potential, and I really think they would work well as a command player. 

 

+1

Edited May 8, 2019 by sonicgotnuked

[Azande]

On 30/04/2019 at 08:10, KingOfThePing said:

There are just several red flags regarding this whole thing. No one else ever had to get a special called role as a "Senior Surgeon", for example, to make it clear that they can be asked questions. You should approach someone in LOOC or even ICly, if it fits. Almost no new player asks on their own anyway. You have to approach them and the "cool" "Senior Surgeon" title won't "make it clear" to anyone or help with that. You are a whitelisted IPC player, it can be expected that you haven't started playing on the server yesterday. All in all does it look like you want to be in the center of attention lately, yesterday, for example with being a "Deputy Chief Medical Officer". Such a thing simply does not exist, and you do not become a CMO, ICly or in real life, by being a trainee for a few weeks. That's just not how it works. I don't know who played the captain that allowed this, but it's not about him anyway. You've been interim for about 5 minutes before another CMO woke up - unlucky, but be it like that. You should've just given away the things from the CMO office and reassigend back to your normal rank (not this Senior Surgeon thing, I'd still be interested how you convince everyone to just allow that either). It looked like you just wanted to keep the CMO headset (and maybe the hypospray but I havent seen it on you so I give you the benefit of the doubt) and thus access to command channels, and, more importantly the additional access, which should not have been allowed, in no case. I saw you use that access first hand, so I know it was not revoked. You also used it to cure a viral outbreak yourself, despite having a biochemist on duty who even asked if she could help.

All that looks like you just want to be in the center of attention - something that is absolutely not what being a head of staff is about. I believe you are just not fit for playing command and no one week trial will change that.

Hi, this feedback sucks.

It's very common for Captains and Command staff to allow people wanting to apply for Head of Staff to serve as a Deputy or senior position. In fact, Station Directives encourage us to assign Interim Heads of Staff, and also allow us to alter the chain of command of our own departments.

The CMO in question actually ASKED ME (the Captain) to keep Sterben on as a deputy CMO, rather than demote him back to doctor. Do NOT speak for me, the CMO or any other command staff in these cases. I have been maining Command for five years now, and letting people have a chance at command has and will always be common. Please learn station directives, regulations and command in general KingOfThePing.

Now, onto my feedback on the app. I really like Sterben - I haven't met your other characters however, so I'll give a tentative +1 based on what I've seen from your roleplay as Sterben and your ability to handle your department and regulations.

[Azande]

On 03/05/2019 at 21:01, KingOfThePing said:

Ah, yes. The "briefing" as you call it. It's funny you mention that. They are really, really motivational. I have the one you did on your very first CMO round. I can attach a screenshot of it, for everyone to read:

To me, personally, mind you, this reads as follows: "Hello, do your work, if you fuck up I will punish you and do it myself.". What kind of "briefing" is this supposed to be? Please explain it to me.

To the rest: You have no virologist? Unlucky, work around it, you often have none. Spaceacilling as a start, for example can often help, you even said you told it your staff (even though I did not see that, but again, benefit of the doubt). So why is the virus curing even needed? Ask your chemist to make other medication, like Steriziline and the other one, the name I can't remember right now. The surgery - got an infection anyway, so you apparently didn't do a very good job with "making sure he knows what he had to do".

The intruder, yes, was near the command surface entrance, that's correct. With the CE. Half of security and lastly you had an AI. You have staff. Use. It. You could apply that argument to *any* part of the station since even janitors have more access than your paramedics. It's something you have to play around, like everyone else.

You clearly just do not understand what the problem is. The problem is not that you do surgery and chemistry. It's that you do surgery. And chemistry. And psychological treatment with the Crystal Chamber, for example. And Virology. And General Care. And first response. And - do you see my point? It's been raised several times and this will be the last time I explain it to you. If you still cannot see what the problem is, then I am sorry, I cannot help you.

Sterben is a synthetic, they are not bound under the same powergaming rule as humans and other species (aside from Skrell). They simply can't cross-department specialize. It's highly possible that an advanced robot would be made that is knowledgeable and capable enough to handle every aspect of Medical. Synths and Skrell are the two races capable of basically being masters of their departments. 

Once again, your feedback is coming off as mean spirited and highly uninformed, I feel as if you have some sort of personal issue with Soulthief that you aren't disclosing and that seems really discourteous and insincere to me.

[KingOfThePing]

Unlike you I will keep this brief and relatively neutral, so I'll get right to it:

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It's very common for Captains and Command staff to allow people wanting to apply for Head of Staff to serve as a Deputy or senior position. In fact, Station Directives encourage us to assign Interim Heads of Staff, and also allow us to alter the chain of command of our own departments.

I have never seen this before and I have played my fair share of years and rounds on Aurora, too. No need to brag about playtime here, if you ask me. And yes, you are absolutely right. The Station Directives, which I know very well say that interims should be appointed to, quote Directive One: "to fill the missing role.". With the arrival of another CMO Directive One can't, or well, at least shouldn't be applied here. Your Captain and you with your "five years [maining] command now" experience should read up on the Station Directives again.

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The CMO in question actually ASKED ME (the Captain) to keep Sterben on as a deputy CMO, rather than demote him back to doctor. Do NOT speak for me, the CMO or any other command staff in these cases. I have been maining Command for five years now, and letting people have a chance at command has and will always be common. Please learn station directives, regulations and command in general KingOfThePing.
 

Same as above. Refrain from lecturing or passive-aggressive insulting me, nothing good will come out of it.

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It's highly possible that an advanced robot would be made that is knowledgeable and capable enough to handle every aspect of Medical. Synths and Skrell are the two races capable of basically being masters of their departments

I will quote this here from the Aurora wiki, regarding IPCs and "Job Restrictions":

"No more than two jobs can reasonably be undertaken by any IPC, with sparing exceptions (such as cooks/gardeners/bartenders, or xenobotanists/xenobiologists/lab assistant and so on). If there are questions involving this, either inquire with the relevant lore developer or ahelp in-game for clarification. All synthetics are manufactured for a purpose, and any modifications to their core programming to change this purpose would be costly, not to mention time consuming and often needless."

 

Medical is a field with many aspects which are all highly specialized. But since I seem to be wrong in the assumption that a robot should not be able to perfectly perform Virology, Psychiatry, Surgery, General Medicine and Chemistry. I want input from someone who actually is responsible for synth lore. @kyres1, please do me the favour and correct me if I am wrong.

 

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Once again, your feedback is coming off as mean spirited and highly uninformed, I feel as if you have some sort of personal issue with Soulthief that you aren't disclosing and that seems really discourteous and insincere to me. 

This remark is your personal opinion - fine, even if you have provided nothing to support it I will still disprove it. I do not know Soulthief as a person and I have absolutely no interest in knowing him. I have made my observations and experiences public, as he asked. You may notice I did not comment on his first app at all, because I did not noticed any powergaming moments with his chemist, when I played CMO. Why you think, out of all players, that voiced their concern here, I surely must have problems with him I would really like to hear.

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[Azande]

9 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

Unlike you I will keep this brief and relatively neutral, so I'll get right to it:

I have never seen this before and I have played my fair share of years and rounds on Aurora, too. No need to brag about playtime here, if you ask me. And yes, you are absolutely right. The Station Directives, which I know very well say that interims should be appointed to, quote Directive One: "to fill the missing role.". With the arrival of another CMO Directive One can't, or well, at least shouldn't be applied here. Your Captain and you with your "five years [maining] command now" experience should read up on the Station Directives again.

 

 

 

Regarding Departmental Ranking - Station Directive 3

To clarify the initial status for some roles, and their position in the department Chain of Command.

Unless stated otherwise, all Departmental Staff are equal in rank, with differing responsibilities and assignments. The only exception being the Quartermaster, who can act as an authority over the Cargo Technicians and asteroid mining staff, however, this does not necessarily make him the preferred choice for promotion up the chain, nor does his authority extend anywhere beyond that. Below them are Departmental Assistants/Interns/Apprentices, and standard Assistants.

It is within the capacity of the Departmental Head of Staff to promote and designate senior leaders as he sees fit, within their own department.
https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Station_Directives#Regarding_Departmental_Ranking_-_Station_Directive_3

Edited May 8, 2019 by Azande
adding meme

[sonicgotnuked]

To be honest, this is a feedback thread based upon Soul. There is no reason to derail it into an argument between station directives because there are other platforms that this can be moved to. 

 

In regards to the screenshot, I don't see much of an issue with it. He is practically saying that if you need help, call him over. I think that's perfectly reasonable for heads of staff to do hands off until needed. Regardless, he still has my support.

Edited May 8, 2019 by sonicgotnuked

[KingOfThePing]

The CMO in question was not present at the time, so you acted clearly using Directive One. Also - senior staff =/= command level positions. What are you trying to prove here? I will give you the "Senior Surgeon" thing. It was not about the "promotion" to that anyway, but I am sure you grasped that when reading what I wrote. A Chief Medical Officer is not a rank you gain with being a trainee. You know it makes no sense and try to justify it with Directive 1/3. It's not how it works.

 

Regarding sonic: You are absolutely right, but I will not stand getting shittalked by another member of the community and just roll with it.

I will not make a new post, but regarding the one below: I don't say the CMO was right in his request (I cannot remember who it was) but you as a Captain should have told him that it is not how it works. Do you not understand what I am trying to say here?

 

To repeat myself again: senior staff =/= command level positions. This is all I have to say before I get forum banned again for off-topic discussion. You have your opinion - I have mine. End of discussion.

Edited May 8, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[Azande]

2 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

The CMO in question was not present at the time, so you acted clearly using Directive One. Also - senior staff =/= command level positions. What are you trying to prove here? I will give you the "Senior Surgeon" thing. It was not about the "promotion" to that anyway, but I am sure you grasped that when reading what I wrote. A Chief Medical Officer is not a rank you gain with being a trainee. You know it makes no sense and try to justify it with Directive 1/3. It's not how it works.

The CMO arrived, Sterben was demoted from Interim CMO to Deputy CMO, at the request of the new Chief Medical Officer.

I was in the process of demoting Sterben back to Surgeon when the CMO asked me to keep him on as a medical officer for the purpose of professional development. And he's not a 'trainee', he's a surgeon, a highly qualified MD only looking to get leadership experience. Don't shit on people trying to get IC experience in order to be a better head of staff.

Edited May 8, 2019 by Azande

[Azande]

3 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

I will not make a new post, but regarding the one below: I don't say the CMO was right in his request (I cannot remember who it was) but you as a Captain should have told him that it is not how it works. Do you not understand what I am trying to say here?

That is specifically how it works. As per Station Directive 3, the CMO has the full right to ask me to handle an internal promotion of someone to a senior rank in their department. I saw no issues with this because it's something both Admins and Head Whitelistees have encouraged - we want people to get experience being a head or in a head-like position so they can be a better Head of Staff when they get their whitelist.

[kyres1]

42 minutes ago, KingOfThePing said:

Medical is a field with many aspects which are all highly specialized. But since I seem to be wrong in the assumption that a robot should not be able to perfectly perform Virology, Psychiatry, Surgery, General Medicine and Chemistry. I want input from someone who actually is responsible for synth lore. 

no an IPC shouldn't be doing everything in medical. The wiki is very specific in this regard. Not all "robots" are held to this restriction as stationbounds can reasonably do basically anything on the station as any module because of their wireless connection. IPCs, on the other hand, have limited knowledge and experience in any given field. The page specifies how IPCs can branch out, but never says they can reasonably undertake that many fields.

[Azande]

1 hour ago, kyres1 said:

no an IPC shouldn't be doing everything in medical. The wiki is very specific in this regard. Not all "robots" are held to this restriction as stationbounds can reasonably do basically anything on the station as any module because of their wireless connection. IPCs, on the other hand, have limited knowledge and experience in any given field. The page specifies how IPCs can branch out, but never says they can reasonably undertake that many fields.

This doesn't make sense to me, but since you're the Lore Dev your word is law I suppose.

The Research Director alone is preferred to have multiple PHds according to the wiki, and that is for RDs of all species, even humans. There is no reason an IPC CMO could not have the programming required to handle the various sub-departments in medical, considering we have many human CMOs that handle almost all of them without being torn asunder by the Admins or Lore.

[kyres1]

6 minutes ago, Azande said:

This doesn't make sense to me, but since you're the Lore Dev your word is law I suppose.

The Research Director alone is preferred to have multiple PHds according to the wiki, and that is for RDs of all species, even humans. There is no reason an IPC CMO could not have the programming required to handle the various sub-departments in medical, considering we have many human CMOs that handle almost all of them without being torn asunder by the Admins or Lore.

yeah but you aren't supposed to be a superdoctor as any species (besides dionae i guess??? i don't know about them.) one of my first mistakes upon getting head was being a super doctor and getting bitchslapped by players and staff alike for knowing so much as a CMO.