PlayerS Complaint - Murdering someone like a psycopath in the middle of the beach

[TheOrleans]

BYOND Key: theneworleans

Game ID: Beach Canon Event round. Round before b1S-aiNG

Player Byond Key: 

-Suzuul Guwan 

-D'Jar Sa'Kuate 

Staff involved: Garnascus

Reason for complaint: I complaint against these three players for literally going against the first rule of 'Creating Characters' which is: Characters must be believable, and well-rounded. No insane or psychotic characters.

Those three quoted characters openly murdered in the middle of everyone, in the middle of a beach, in a CCIA picnic, with their bare hands/claws/teeth a human, literally butchering it (Your head becomes a mangled mess!). You would never be able to do this IRL, unless you are a psychotic psycopath (which you can't be, cause it's against the rules). They literally weren't provoked by Nick. Suzuul decided to broke a bottle without any reason on Nick's head, and after that, when Nick fought back, the other two quoted characters joined to lynch him and MURDER HIM (for example, other players decided to join but only tapping or pushing, or grabbing, but the ones quoted decided to go LETHAL against him, again, I repeat, with their bare claws/teeth.

There was not a good escalation for this, it was non-existent. Suzuul broke the bottle without any reason. Nick fought back against Suzuul and the others joined to murder Nick. This made no sense, and I think that the only reason behind this is that 'Nick is a disliked person'

You know? I dislike people IRL. You probably do too. And you do not BUTCHER THEM WITH YOUR HANDS. This looked like hard griefing to me.

I REMARK THE FACT THAT I'M ONLY COMPLAINING AGAINST THE ONES WHO WENT LETHAL AGAINST NICK, NOT THE ONES WHO GAVE HIM A BEAT WITH PULLED PUNCHES FOR EXAMPLE.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes I did, I ahelped about the issue with Suzuul and Garnascus dealt with him. However, Suzuul then took part in Nick's murder, so it's an extension of the issue.

Approximate Date/Time: 2:30-3:00 CEST

Logs

https://imgur.com/a/Rcjopq3

Meme created by @JamOfBoy defining how stupid the situation was.

Edited June 22, 2019 by TheOrleans
Forgot title

[JamOfBoy]

Hi, I'm the player of Za'Akaix'Ryn Zo'ra. As you can see in the logs, I am pulling punches, in an attempt to down you, because you are stabbing someone in the head with a broken bottle. I did not know the context of the fight prior to seeing this, so my character assumed you were the instigator as you were holding the weapon, and unless I am wrong, Suzuul had their skull break due to your actions, the first major injury my character witnessed. I stopped once you were down and attempted to stop anyone else from harming you. I moved to disarm Suzuul as they continued to bite you but Daniel got there first. So when you say I tried to murder your character, you are wrong, and you have proved it.

[Garnascus]

gettin real tired of people not bringing things up in round. It makes things 1000x harder. 

21 minutes ago, TheOrleans said:

They literally weren't provoked by Nick. Suzuul decided to broke a bottle without any reason on Nick's head, and after that, when Nick fought back, the other two quoted characters joined to lynch him and MURDER HIM

this was already dealt with. 

I feel like if 6+ people are fixing to beat your ass..... there is probably a reason for it. Do people just hate your character that badly? 

[TheOrleans]

7 minutes ago, JamOfBoy said:

Hi, I'm the player of Za'Akaix'Ryn Zo'ra. As you can see in the logs, I am pulling punches, in an attempt to down you, because you are stabbing someone in the head with a broken bottle. I did not know the context of the fight prior to seeing this, so my character assumed you were the instigator as you were holding the weapon, and unless I am wrong, Suzuul had their skull break due to your actions, the first major injury my character witnessed. I stopped once you were down and attempted to stop anyone else from harming you. I moved to disarm Suzuul as they continued to bite you but Daniel got there first. So when you say I tried to murder your character, you are wrong, and you have proved it.

''Struck in the head'' is the message for pulling punches?

 

EDIT: Yes, that's the message for pulling punches. I'm removing you from the complaint, since, as I said, I'm only complaining against the ones who slaughtered him, not the ones who gave him a beat, which is 'reasonable'.

Edited June 22, 2019 by TheOrleans

[TheOrleans]

1 minute ago, Garnascus said:

gettin real tired of people not bringing things up in round. It makes things 1000x harder. 

this was already dealt with. 

I feel like if 6+ people are fixing to beat your ass..... there is probably a reason for it. Do people just hate your character that badly? 

Suzuul was dealt with, but not the other/s 

Some people like Nick, and some people don't. Thing is that there's a difference between 'beating' someone who you don't like, and slaughtering him.

That's my point.

[JamOfBoy]

Yes, they did no brute damage, only pain.

[Garnascus]

"tapped" and "lightly struck" are the game messages given when you pull punches. 

 

3 minutes ago, TheOrleans said:

Some people like Nick, and some people don't. Thing is that there's a difference between 'beating' someone who you don't like, and slaughtering him.

The distinction between the two becomes less and less the more people are involved. 4 people could just intend to beat you up a bit. 4 being the force multiplier times how many times they all hit you which results in a much greater consequence than "beat his ass". 

[FreshRefreshments]

Suzuul busted a bottle over Nick's head, because he fucking hates Nick. Nick is a Dominian, Security, and has threatened to slice his throat open with a sword. All of these things, Suzuul hates. 

Nick responded by grabbing the broken bottle, and stabbing the absolute shit out of him. This caused everyone and their mother to run up and try to stop him. I guarantee, 90% of the damage was done by Suzuul mauling Volvalaad's face with his teeth. 

Suzuul was pulled away. I didn't touch you after that. Almost no one actually pulled real attacks on you, except me, and I had a valid reason to do so. Namely, you were stabbing the shit out of me, with a broken bottle. 

Its very ironic you say over and over we murdered you, and yet, you tried everything in your power to murder me. 

[Garnascus]

1 minute ago, FreshRefreshments said:

Suzuul busted a bottle over Nick's head, because he fucking hates Nick. Nick is a Dominian, Security, and has threatened to slice his throat open with a sword. All of these things, Suzuul hates. 

is this true nick?

[TheOrleans]

12 minutes ago, FreshRefreshments said:

Suzuul busted a bottle over Nick's head, because he fucking hates Nick. Nick is a Dominian, Security, and has threatened to slice his throat open with a sword. All of these things, Suzuul hates. 

Took you a while to think about some reasons as an excuse to do what you did, right? If you thought about those reasons BEFORE doing it, instead of acting like a griefer, you would have told Garnascus in the ahelp.

14 minutes ago, FreshRefreshments said:

Its very ironic you say over and over we murdered you, and yet, you tried everything in your power to murder me. 

I fought you back after you broke a bottle on me. You kept biting on my head after having me knocked down, and my head turned into a mangled mess. There's a difference, and you clearly had the intention to murder me.

 

13 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

is this true nick?

Previous interactions have happened between Suzuul and Nick, which were quite hostiles, usually instigated by the Guwan. Both have threatened each other multiple times indeed, but if he really thought about those reasons previously, why didn't he bring them during the ahelp? This is just an excuse.

[Garnascus]

Just now, TheOrleans said:

Took you a while to think about some reasons as an excuse to do what you did, right? If you thought about those reasons BEFORE doing it, instead of acting like a griefer, you would have told Garnascus in the ahelp.

man, chill out. Figuring out if someone is acting in bad faith is my job. 

 

1 minute ago, TheOrleans said:

Previous interactions have happened between Suzuul and Nick, which were quite hostiles, usually instigated by the Guwan. Both have threatened each other multiple times indeed, but if he really thought about those reasons previously, why didn't he bring them during the ahelp? This is just an excuse.

I mean.... its a good excuse. If you guys have IC conflict amounting to actual death threats....

[TheOrleans]

Just now, Garnascus said:

man, chill out. Figuring out if someone is acting in bad faith is my job. 

 

I mean.... its a good excuse. If you guys have IC conflict amounting to actual death threats....

It would be a good reason, indeed, if he brought it up the moment you bwoinked him, cause that would have meant that he had that in his mind as the reason to break the bottle on my head.

But he didn't. shrug

 

There has been no interaction between Suzuul and Nick in a long time, and now suddenly the main reason for breaking that bottle without any previous roleplay was an incident that happened months ago?

[Garnascus]

2 minutes ago, TheOrleans said:

It would be a good reason, indeed, if he brought it up the moment you bwoinked him, cause that would have meant that he had that in his mind as the reason to break the bottle on my head.

But he didn't. shrug

dude theres a million reasons why someone would not bring up a specific portion of information. Very few of them assume he is acting in bad faith and just looking for some post-hoc justification. 

[FreshRefreshments]

Yes. Im bringing it up now because I can better process my words and thoughts than in an ahelp. 

 

The "main incident" is Nick Volvalaad existing. Thats Suzuuls problem with him, and I presume thats Nick Volvalaads problem with Suzuul by now. If you don't want him to react in such a way to being stabbed in the face, don't act like not talking to him will just erase the interaction they've had. Nothing they've ever said to one another has been friendly, in the slightest. Nick acted a certain way around Suzuul, repeatedly, and Suzuul reacted in turn. Its amounted to this. 

[Scheveningen]

I played during this round and your conduct and roleplay level during this round as Nick was far below par. You charged a shark out in the open water with a stun baton in an attempt to kill it. It instead killed you. The CMO that round was apparently nice enough to bring you back to the station to be cloned, and then brought back to participate in the round again. I heard you actually sent an ahelp complaining that a shark killed you in the open water (?????).

You then instigated a 1v5 brawl fight and lost. You died to internal bleeding and died twice in one round. Why are you instigating random fights on extended to start with?

you probably should've been banned after you charged the shark and died, to be honest, considering that move is 100% following the security stereotype of officers being cavemen with stun clubs and very little processing power invested towards anything other than hitting things. It's surprising you got nothing for the brawl too.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Scheveningen

[Rushodan]

3 hours ago, Scheveningen said:

You probably should've been banned after you charged the shark and died, to be honest, considering that move is 100% following the security stereotype of officers being cavemen with stun clubs and very little processing power invested towards anything other than hitting things. It's surprising you got nothing for the brawl too.

This - I am sick and tired of working to try and dispel some of the 'memes' about security, only to have people like you acting in such an appalling way and making my department look utterly brain dead. 

I was there for this round, constantly I was getting reports about you acting like a jackass. Causing disturbances near the bar, the afore mentioned charging a shark with your baton. Part of this was security being mostly off duty - so I will take some small element of the blame as in a standard round you would have been brigged and suspeded long before it escalated. 

I honestly think you need to take a step back and look at how your actions appear and how they affect other people. You certainly should not have access to security gear but that is my two cents.

The beach party was my first impression of you, and I honestly was not impressed.

[ShesTrying]

Orleans and I have had plenty of interaction in the past, both with me in a command role and not.

I am, consistently, surprised that Nick Volvalaad hasn't been demoted ICly. Considering aswell the fact that Thea alone has demoted him no less than four times canonically, and he's mentioned his numerous IRs placed against him.

Nick is the very definition of an unga bunga harmbaton security officer. I try to be very understanding of everyone's type of roleplay but when your whole character is 'I don't think before I act! Angry boy! I have a dark side!' I think that's an issue. I was in the beach round. I was surprised you were cloned at all, considering attacking a shark with a baton is practically suicide. 

I agree with @SHODAN when they say to take a step back and look at your RP. Even your complaint is sarcastic, lax, and insulting. If you want results, you need to take measures to sound as professional as you can, instead of making low-blow jokes to the people who you're complaining about and pasting memes in an official complaint. 

Nick shouldn't be a security officer, and from what I saw in that round, I think you should take some time to think about what direction you want this character to go in.

[TheOrleans]

8 hours ago, Scheveningen said:

I played during this round and your conduct and roleplay level during this round as Nick was far below par. You charged a shark out in the open water with a stun baton in an attempt to kill it. It instead killed you. The CMO that round was apparently nice enough to bring you back to the station to be cloned, and then brought back to participate in the round again. I heard you actually sent an ahelp complaining that a shark killed you in the open water (?????).

You then instigated a 1v5 brawl fight and lost. You died to internal bleeding and died twice in one round. Why are you instigating random fights on extended to start with?

you probably should've been banned after you charged the shark and died, to be honest, considering that move is 100% following the security stereotype of officers being cavemen with stun clubs and very little processing power invested towards anything other than hitting things. It's surprising you got nothing for the brawl too.

1. The shark thing makes sense in an environment and situation where Nick is USED to HUNTING spacecarps and he has killed many with his baton, along with space sharks. That shark was played by an admin which made it ten times more lethal than how it would have been otherwise.

2. I guess you didn't even read the post cause Suzuul was the one who instigated the fight, breaking a bottle on the head of a mental-disabled man who died not long ago and was cloned half an hour ago. Nick instigated nothing.

Edited June 23, 2019 by TheOrleans

[TheOrleans]

4 hours ago, SHODAN said:

This - I am sick and tired of working to try and dispel some of the 'memes' about security, only to have people like you acting in such an appalling way and making my department look utterly brain dead. 

I was there for this round, constantly I was getting reports about you acting like a jackass. Causing disturbances near the bar, the afore mentioned charging a shark with your baton. Part of this was security being mostly off duty - so I will take some small element of the blame as in a standard round you would have been brigged and suspeded long before it escalated. 

I honestly think you need to take a step back and look at how your actions appear and how they affect other people. You certainly should not have access to security gear but that is my two cents.

The beach party was my first impression of you, and I honestly was not impressed.

I have already answered the shark thing. 

After that thing, my character had a post clone disorder with a mental trauma due to a concussion. 

[TheOrleans]

1 hour ago, ShesTrying said:

Orleans and I have had plenty of interaction in the past, both with me in a command role and not.

I am, consistently, surprised that Nick Volvalaad hasn't been demoted ICly. Considering aswell the fact that Thea alone has demoted him no less than four times canonically, and he's mentioned his numerous IRs placed against him.

Nick is the very definition of an unga bunga harmbaton security officer. I try to be very understanding of everyone's type of roleplay but when your whole character is 'I don't think before I act! Angry boy! I have a dark side!' I think that's an issue. I was in the beach round. I was surprised you were cloned at all, considering attacking a shark with a baton is practically suicide. 

I agree with @SHODAN when they say to take a step back and look at your RP. Even your complaint is sarcastic, lax, and insulting. If you want results, you need to take measures to sound as professional as you can, instead of making low-blow jokes to the people who you're complaining about and pasting memes in an official complaint. 

Nick shouldn't be a security officer, and from what I saw in that round, I think you should take some time to think about what direction you want this character to go in.

How can my character be demoted if there has been nearly none IRs against him, all he got has been an IC warning which has been expunged after having sessions with a psychologist?

There has been nearly none IRs against Nick, I don't know where you got that.

My complaint has an insulting and disrespectful tone towards the ones quoted, indeed, because they insulted me with their griefing behaviour, and it seems they're not getting punished because people had fun seeing a disabled man being beaten to death, cause he is a disliked character. In real life you would be crying and screaming, wanting to remove your eyes from your face if you saw a person getting brutally slaughtered in front of you, but you are not able to think about it.

Nick is not that thing you just wrote without having any deep interaction with him, you are just a bunch of people with too much stereotypes and feeling superior than others, not even trying to get to know them well before judging them.

Edited June 23, 2019 by TheOrleans

[ShesTrying]

12 minutes ago, TheOrleans said:

The shark thing makes sense in an environment where Nick is USED to HUNTING spacecarps and he has killed many with his baton.

You turned an electric baton on IN WATER. 

Edited June 23, 2019 by ShesTrying

[TheOrleans]

6 minutes ago, ShesTrying said:

You turned an electric baton on IN WATER. 

You think that a stunbaton IN THE OCEAN is like A TOASTER IN YOUR BATHROOM?

An electric eel sends 400 pulses per second, a tazer or a stunbaton 15.

Edited June 23, 2019 by TheOrleans

[ClearThoughts]

I didn't think this information would ever actually be useful in my lifetime, but here it is:
https://what-if.xkcd.com/156/

[ShesTrying]

4 minutes ago, TheOrleans said:

You think that a stunbaton IN THE OCEAN is like A TOASTER IN YOUR BATHROOM?

 

2 minutes ago, ClearThoughts said:

https://what-if.xkcd.com/156/

 

 

Best case scenario, your baton shorts out and you die a painful death to the shark you just pissed off. Worst case scenario, you're now a piece of fried fish for the also-fried shark's friends to enjoy. You can't tell me you put any thought into charging the shark.

[TheOrleans]

3 minutes ago, ClearThoughts said:

I didn't think this information would ever actually be useful in my lifetime, but here it is:
https://what-if.xkcd.com/156/

Using our simple extrapolation, instead of 20 megawatts, we might need a gigawatt. In other words, you'll need to bring a large nuclear generating station.

Electrofishing uses BOATS, not a stun baton. Thanks for the info, it was so interesting