Remove corporate security uniforms

[AmoryBlaine]

Black sec is becoming rampant, and I don't like it. No more black Sec. You can keep the corporate caps, but the corporate uniforms are admin spawn only. This means the options are the standard uniform and the alternative blue uniform. Get your tacticool kicks somehow else. I'll make up alternatives for Warden and HoS soon enough. And yes, the removal of corporate uniforms applies to them as well.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

wtf I agree with armoryblaine?
I stan for this suggestion

[VUX]

I agree with this 100%, black sec uniforms tend to send the wrong message.

[GreenBoi]

I don't get why Security got so many fluff alt-outfits. It's like the spriter who made them was some sec lover or something....also yeah, please do this.

 

The only good part of the corporate outfit is the corporate sec cap, which looks cool and doesn't ruin the look of blue and black instead of just BLACK, BLACK.

[AmoryBlaine]

14 minutes ago, GreenBoi said:

I don't get why Security got so many fluff alt-outfits. It's like the spriter who made them was some sec lover or something....also yeah, please do this.

 

The only good part of the corporate outfit is the corporate sec cap, which looks cool and doesn't ruin the look of blue and black instead of just BLACK, BLACK.

Sec has always had a piss-load of alternatives. The only server that has a single sec uniform is CM for obvious reasons.

 

I'm thinking we keep Corp Sec uniforms for Odin Sec or something, given that uniform is similar in design to the C/Tpr uniforms.

[Garnascus]

but....

Why? 

[Doc]

The same reason we changed from redsec to bluesec. Uniform coloration informs attitude and personality, both of the person wearing it, and to people who see someone wearing it. A light/dark blue coloration with professional suit and tie is much more approachable than all-black tactical operator jumpsuits (or blood-red corporate thug jumpsuits). Is it a huge deal? No. Is it a nice change to the overall way security is represented? Yes. Personally, I was of the mind to move them into the armory with the riot gear and make it part of the riot uniform, but I don't really mind this at all either.

[AmoryBlaine]

Mind you, there will still be an available black sec uniform on any shift- you just need to work for Necropolis, in order to wear it.

[AmoryBlaine]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

Yes. Personally, I was of the mind to move them into the armory with the riot gear and make it part of the riot uniform, but I don't really mind this at all either.

This works for me. Give it a boost to brute damage or something, and less to burns.

[Kaed]

No. The black one is the only one I can actually stand to wear.  It looks crisp and nice, the blue one is ugly and bland and should be removed.

Look, I can also make broad assumptions based on personal opinions! 

For what it's worth, I was also against the bluesec change, red looked much nicer, and blue was already taken by command and medical, and we now have three different shades of blue as thematic colors.  But no, we have people saying it looks 'too intimidating', just like we are right now.  We have to draw the line somewhere, this drift about insisting security dress like mall cops is stupid.  Some of us like to look professional and slick instead of like we work in an office.

I want to be this

 

Not this:

 

At least black gives them some identity beyond tepid mall cop design.  We are a professional research station on an isolated asteroid that is closed to the public without special permission, not a department store. The image we present SHOULD be slightly intimidating.  We have a back room with fucking laser guns and armor.

But hey, if you want to look like you belong in a mall in washed out blue shirt and pants, more power to you.  Don't try and tell me I have to look like that though by taking away my desired appearance, though.

This is the second time you've tried to push this no-corporate agenda on us, Amory.  We can keep having this fight forever if you want, or you can just let it drop and just wear what you want to wear instead of trying to force things on me and others who like wearing corporate uniforms. The ability and willingness to sprite does not make you inherently more important than everyone else. 

Personally, I think with our recent concept of different companies contracting, it makes even more sense for security members to have several different potential backgrounds with uniforms attached.  Just like how every doctor in medical and every scientist in research does not follow the exact same backstory or field, security officers aren't all just copies of each other.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Kaed

[Shadow7889]

8 hours ago, AmoryBlaine said:

Black sec is becoming rampant, and I don't like it.

I'm wondering why you want to force a change because you personally dont like something. 

Are you putting out a suggestion to gather feedback from others in the community or serve your own concept of what's good/terrible? 

Blacksec isnt that bad. There are worse things that need sorted in security than their suits. I can give plenty of suggestions if need be. 

[Nekonyan123]

I mean everyone should be able to make their char wear what uniform they like, I do not see the point of removing things.

[AmoryBlaine]

8 hours ago, Kaed said:

No. The black one is the only one I can actually stand to wear.  It looks crisp and nice, the blue one is ugly and bland and should be removed.

Look, I can also make broad assumptions based on personal opinions! 

For what it's worth, I was also against the bluesec change, red looked much nicer, and blue was already taken by command and medical, and we now have three different shades of blue as thematic colors.  But no, we have people saying it looks 'too intimidating', just like we are right now.  We have to draw the line somewhere, this drift about insisting security dress like mall cops is stupid.  Some of us like to look professional and slick instead of like we work in an office.

I want to be this

 

Not this:

 

At least black gives them some identity beyond tepid mall cop design.  We are a professional research station on an isolated asteroid that is closed to the public without special permission, not a department store. The image we present SHOULD be slightly intimidating.  We have a back room with fucking laser guns and armor.

But hey, if you want to look like you belong in a mall in washed out blue shirt and pants, more power to you.  Don't try and tell me I have to look like that though by taking away my desired appearance, though.

This is the second time you've tried to push this no-corporate agenda on us, Amory.  We can keep having this fight forever if you want, or you can just let it drop and just wear what you want to wear instead of trying to force things on me and others who like wearing corporate uniforms. The ability and willingness to sprite does not make you inherently more important than everyone else. 

Personally, I think with our recent concept of different companies contracting, it makes even more sense for security members to have several different potential backgrounds with uniforms attached.  Just like how every doctor in medical and every scientist in research does not follow the exact same backstory or field, security officers aren't all just copies of each other.

Maybe you need glasses or something. If the photo of what you want to look like is a guy wearing a windbreaker over a shirt and tie and you're whining about losing access to all-black coveralls, there's an inconsistency to what you want there.

What fucking blue shirt are you talking about, too? The alternate? The standard is a white shirt. When was the last time you played? Where are you pulling this from? You want to talk about different uniforms for different backgrounds like you give a shit, even though this specifically gives Necropolis Security a more unique look, but I guess you'd rather they look the same as us but with a different colour accent.

We're in a secure corporate research facility. So how does a shirt and tie conflict with this?

 

[Kaed]

1 hour ago, AmoryBlaine said:

Maybe you need glasses or something. If the photo of what you want to look like is a guy wearing a windbreaker over a shirt and tie and you're whining about losing access to all-black coveralls, there's an inconsistency to what you want there.

What fucking blue shirt are you talking about, too? The alternate? The standard is a white shirt. When was the last time you played? Where are you pulling this from? You want to talk about different uniforms for different backgrounds like you give a shit, even though this specifically gives Necropolis Security a more unique look, but I guess you'd rather they look the same as us but with a different colour accent.

We're in a secure corporate research facility. So how does a shirt and tie conflict with this?

 

Yes, please, nitpick the hasty google image search results I found to demonstrate the difference between a security guard in black and a security guard in a light-colored shirt and tie.  That's definitely correct way to respond to the argument.  And while it's true that I haven't played security in a week or so, generally the first thing I do is take off the ugly default uniform which I barely glance at, and put on the good corporate uniform.  The fact that I mixed up which of the two ugly uniforms you start out with does not really have any bearing on me saying I think the corporate uniform is the most professional looking one.  A shirt and tie is not the uniform vibe used anywhere else in this entire facility.  Doctors don't wear a tie.  Scientists don't wear a tie.  Neither do engineers or maybe anyone except some civilian roles or the captain if they want to bring one to work.

And when I think 'corporate research facility' I think about guys in black with sunglasses on asking you why you're here in this restricted area while they talk into their headset to the rest of the security team, not someone dressed in business casual waddling around through the hallways holding a flashlight.

I also don't give a flying frick about necropolis, but I don't see why only they should be allowed to wear black. Black is good color, and blue accents make it look better.

Again, we can argue about this forever, but it comes down to personal opinions.  I don't even really want the other uniforms removed that much, I just refuse to let you shove your whims down mine and everyone else's throats when there are options for both our tastes at hand.  I like the black coveralls. You like the business casual. let's just get along instead of trying to make the other one's favorite go away.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Kaed

[CampinKiller]

The red uniforms looked like shit compared to the blue and what we have now. And I used to love the red uniforms, and didn’t initially like the switch.

This really comes down to personal preference. I like the blue uniform as an officer, because it’s a nice contrast to the vest I wear over it, and it looks professional. Some people prefer the all black getup, which there isn’t anything wrong with, though it doesn’t look completely professional. At the end of the day, this is a corporate security arm, and there are visitors and persons not employed by NanoTrasen on board. It looks a lot better to appear professional to the public, as opposed to looking like a soldier that might bag you if you say something bad about the company

[Nantei]

I would much rather we change the sprite to include more colors than black rather than just reduce player options because of personal preference.

[Kaed]

2 hours ago, CampinKiller said:

The red uniforms looked like shit compared to the blue and what we have now. And I used to love the red uniforms, and didn’t initially like the switch.

This really comes down to personal preference. I like the blue uniform as an officer, because it’s a nice contrast to the vest I wear over it, and it looks professional. Some people prefer the all black getup, which there isn’t anything wrong with, though it doesn’t look completely professional. At the end of the day, this is a corporate security arm, and there are visitors and persons not employed by NanoTrasen on board. It looks a lot better to appear professional to the public, as opposed to looking like a soldier that might bag you if you say something bad about the company

 

12 minutes ago, Nantei said:

I would much rather we change the sprite to include more colors than black rather than just reduce player options because of personal preference.

I don't agree with either of these.  The corporate uniform is fine how it is.  This perception that dressing in black makes you look like a soldier, which is somehow unprofessional(?) is baffling to me.  It looks far more professional than wearing a light shirt and pants like a desk worker.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Kaed

[CommanderXor]

No thanks, I like having options on what to wear. I have two officers, one that wears the corporate uniform and one who wears the white and tie. I don't see why removing it has any benefit besides the personal opinion of a handful of players.

[DronzTheWolf]

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Kaed, but these are confusing times.

Kaed is right that the black uniform is good. The Security team is mostly going to be dealing with petty bullshit from NT employees, but they're also here to stop pirates and other outside threats. They usually do so efficiently, too. (Like the time they almost did during the TCFL introduction event, they had to be told to take it easy so we can justify coming)

Edited August 9, 2019 by DronzTheWolf
Spelling errors and othersuch edits

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

How do black jumpsuits stop pirates 

[Garnascus]

I do not think its appropriate to remove clothing options just because you do not like them. If black sec is becoming rampant then it means people like using the clothing. Taking it away is just going to foster resentment which is no good. 

[Bath Salts Addict]

Maybe if the current "white" uniforms weren't hot garbage and looked like someone puked all over them and then tried to wash it with water and hand soap to get that nice off-white pukey look, more people wouldn't use the black uniforms.

"Dun like, pls remove" 

[AmoryBlaine]

7 hours ago, Bath Salts Addict said:

Maybe if the current "white" uniforms weren't hot garbage and looked like someone puked all over them and then tried to wash it with water and hand soap to get that nice off-white pukey look, more people wouldn't use the black uniforms.

"Dun like, pls remove" 

What exactly is the issue with the white uniform? And yes. I do not like the behavior adopted by sec players that pick up the corp sec uniforms. I intend to curb that by limiting those uniforms.

[Kaed]

58 minutes ago, AmoryBlaine said:

What exactly is the issue with the white uniform? And yes. I do not like the behavior adopted by sec players that pick up the corp sec uniforms. I intend to curb that by limiting those uniforms.

Lol.  You're blaming a uniform for player behavior.  Correlation is not causation.  All you'd do is have shitcurity in the Amory-approved uniforms instead.  

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Well color theory....