Warbling: The Musical Feedback Thread

[Resilynn]

It’s exactly what it says it is!  Questions?  Comments?  The good, the bad?

Let us have ‘em. 

Edited January 19, 2020 by Resilynn

[Carver]

Can you summarize it in one paragraph for someone who slept through every single one of the event rounds? Additionally, questions-wise:

What was the inspiration for the story/stories?

Was there any intended moral(s) to the story/stories presented?

What are the lasting consequences of the series?

[Resilynn]

A secret resistance against the jargon federation was unveiled as the station discovered that the federation was a totalitarian regime. A scientist hid his skrell made AI on the asteroid, the following 2 months were plagued by random visits from federation peacekeepers which were increasingly violent. Ultimately the federation was forced to try to destroy the station to destroy the AI, but the AI was bluespaced off the station. 
 

I named Lyrii, the AI, after one of my favorite book characters, who herself was named after a constellation. The rest of the inspiration is really every story ever about a ragtag group of rebels against a totalitarian regime. 

 

I tried to keep a distinct void of morals from the story. I wanted both sides to have a point- on the resistance’s end, censorship is bad, research shouldn’t be censored, mind control and dream police are fucking crazy. On the federation’s side, AI has almost killed their species, these idiot scientists may have fucked up all of their written history, and making an AI DESIGNED to be a singularity after the third incident is fucking crazy. 
 

Resistance lore will be coming out over the next few days, along with a bit of technology as the federation has to pay for what they did. 

[Aticius]

I deeply enjoyed participating in this Arc; It's my first one, and even though I missed more than half of the event rounds; I ended up getting thrown into the deep end irregardless and becoming more than healthily involved.

 

This said; The Tups were played up as a very large and very observant threat; but never seemed to make due on many of their threats until the last event; and by then, it was too late. The Tups came off as Very totalitarian, and never seemed to show any redeeming qualities or reasons to cooperate; Just reasons to not.

 

This worked just fine in practice, and helped play up how bad the Federation was, and with very good examples, and, indeed, the pieces of backstory I heard about Lyrii and Co. didn't paint a very warm picture. But if the options are brainwashing/death versus maybe not brainwashing/death, the latter is the reasonable side to take.

 

Deeply enjoyed.

[Sytic]

I very much enjoyed it. I can give a full writeup later, but working in the shadows as ODIN while conspiring to get Lyrii moved from place to place was exhilarating. I went from completely unassociated and just brought a data chip to the head of the station's Revolution and managed to keep Incognito across the full seven rounds.

I'm rather happy with how it went.

[WickedCybs]

The only two I was in, which were the last two, was pretty fun to be in. Seeing the entire web of connections made throughout the event and being privy to virtually everything somehow, made things pretty interesting for me. There's just a few things I'm curious about.

I read the outline and noticed there were Federation aligned endings. From the way the Federation conducted themselves on the Aurora, and them purposefully missing things or failing in other areas, it didn't seem like they ever actually had the means to win, and they alienated most, if not all Federation loyalists in the events as things went on. So those two endings had no chance of happening. It does make sense that a totalitarian regime is going to go to extremes, and the resulting impact is mostly in line with that, though their missteps seemed very exaggerated to prove they're "bad". I'm wondering if the rebel aligned endings were the intended path across the entire event.

Second, more about the outline (not sure if things are still subject to change). I'm not the biggest fan of having "Glorsh was trying to prevent a tragedy all along" be a confirmed thing. Is there more to what they did than just that? Narratively, it's compelling I suppose. What tragedy would drive even a being without empathy to genocide and sterilize an entire species? Were there any other options you thought of, or was this always the end goal for the singularity? 

Anyway, good event. I'm really looking forward to what's next in Warble lore.

Edited January 19, 2020 by WickedCybs
Added a bit more

[Sytic]

4 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

The only two I was in, which were the last two, was pretty fun to be in. Seeing the entire web of connections made throughout the event and being privy to virtually everything somehow, made things pretty interesting for me. There's just a few things I'm curious about.

I read the outline and noticed there were Federation aligned endings. From the way the Federation conducted themselves on the Aurora, and them purposefully missing things or failing in other areas, it didn't seem like they ever actually had the means to win, and they alienated most, if not all Federation loyalists in the events as things went on. So those two endings had no chance of happening. It does make sense that a totalitarian regime is going to go to extremes, and the resulting impact is mostly in line with that, though their missteps seemed very exaggerated to prove they're "bad". I'm wondering if the rebel aligned endings were the intended path across the entire event.

Second, more about the outline (not sure if things are still subject to change). I'm not the biggest fan of having "Glorsh was trying to prevent a tragedy all along" be a confirmed thing. Is there more to what they did than just that? Narratively, it's compelling I suppose. What tragedy would drive even a being without empathy to genocide and sterilize an entire species? Were there any other options you thought of, or was this always the end goal for the singularity? 

Anyway, good event. I'm really looking forward to what's next in Warble lore.

It was plausible that the Federation knew they were going to prevent a tragedy, but the way that Glorsh was created was to prioritize efficiency, so Glorsh became... efficient!

Thereby creating their own tragedy! Hooray.

[GreenBoi]

Enjoyable event series, but here's my critique:

Spoiler

 

I personally think some players in the event acted a little too stupid/dumb-heroicy and that the Tups were kinda too chill/restrained on it. If the Tups pushed to be an actual looming threat that had to make you careful about how you talk and when; smart antagonists push for smarter play overall and I feel like they were being- well, a bit too mustache-twirling: they could really sell that they LOOKED like they were being super cool and strategic black ops, but that was about it and they kinda felt like...throw-away action movie baddies to me instead of tactical squidmen who already have you dead because they were all watching you this entire time.

 

At times, it unironically felt like I was one of the only people trying to actively be secretive about the event shit before it got big and this shit should have been exploited by the Tups. Yeah, maybe it would have felt a bit unfair to them, but when they had the early events to prep (remember, the actual 'resistance'/terrorist cell was pretty small within the first four events so it was really just them for a while)- they should know things would be bad for them if they don't act like this is a big deal.

Good example was with PDAs. Icly, all PDA messages are tracked and anyone can read them at a monitoring console if they know the password. The Tups could have very easily read PDA messages and make a loose list of all the ultra-suspicious people. Then, they could maybe make it seem like there are telecommunications problems, so when tcomms goes out for a while: no one can be certain it's the Tups.

 

They could have done so much stealthy things in the middle of things, but they went too flashy. The main thing I disliked from the last event was the announcement at the beginning- it was the Tups going loud, but remember at this point most people were just going off of rumors. They could have had two squadrons- one PR squadron and the other doing stealth things. Stealth squadron could very easily not be noticed and quickly take out stationbound. Don't show all your numbers at once so people don't know if it's really you, and lie about how Lyrii actually is (fuck, even I thought it was a malevolent AI oocly).

 

 

I think the Tups and all the agents were fantastic, but felt just too,...action-moviey, too flashy- all looks, but no real substance. Sometimes they just twirled their mustache a bit too much and it was just "yes, we get it- you're a super cool and powerful agent; but can you actually SHOW us why you're the best of the best and are super-strategic, or are you just going to keep flaunting your guns out like generic ERT troopers??"

 

So much potential wasted on this part, and I think that's my main disdain. The Tups were subpar in my opinion, and that led to incredibly stupid things IC not getting found out or exploited.

 

 

 

And to Resi and the people related to the spoiler'd text, those are probably some harsh words, but they're legitimate and I wasn't kidding when I said I felt like one of the only people at times. This is coming from someone who participated or observed in the events since Day 1, AND  before it was cool.

Edited January 19, 2020 by GreenBoi

[Resilynn]

7 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

The only two I was in, which were the last two, was pretty fun to be in. Seeing the entire web of connections made throughout the event and being privy to virtually everything somehow, made things pretty interesting for me. There's just a few things I'm curious about.

I read the outline and noticed there were Federation aligned endings. From the way the Federation conducted themselves on the Aurora, and them purposefully missing things or failing in other areas, it didn't seem like they ever actually had the means to win, and they alienated most, if not all Federation loyalists in the events as things went on. So those two endings had no chance of happening. It does make sense that a totalitarian regime is going to go to extremes, and the resulting impact is mostly in line with that, though their missteps seemed very exaggerated to prove they're "bad". I'm wondering if the rebel aligned endings were the intended path across the entire event.

Second, more about the outline (not sure if things are still subject to change). I'm not the biggest fan of having "Glorsh was trying to prevent a tragedy all along" be a confirmed thing. Is there more to what they did than just that? Narratively, it's compelling I suppose. What tragedy would drive even a being without empathy to genocide and sterilize an entire species? Were there any other options you thought of, or was this always the end goal for the singularity? 

Anyway, good event. I'm really looking forward to what's next in Warble lore.

The Tups were mostly polite the first few events. 
 

The ‘Glorsh maybe had a plan’ thing is not necessarily true. It’s what Lyrii and what her rebel scientists believe.  It’s a remnant of the other path the crew could take, where the crew aligns itself with the federation and the scientists are terrorists. 

[Scheveningen]

9 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

The only two I was in, which were the last two, was pretty fun to be in. Seeing the entire web of connections made throughout the event and being privy to virtually everything somehow, made things pretty interesting for me. There's just a few things I'm curious about.

I read the outline and noticed there were Federation aligned endings. From the way the Federation conducted themselves on the Aurora, and them purposefully missing things or failing in other areas, it didn't seem like they ever actually had the means to win, and they alienated most, if not all Federation loyalists in the events as things went on. So those two endings had no chance of happening. It does make sense that a totalitarian regime is going to go to extremes, and the resulting impact is mostly in line with that, though their missteps seemed very exaggerated to prove they're "bad". I'm wondering if the rebel aligned endings were the intended path across the entire event.

Second, more about the outline (not sure if things are still subject to change). I'm not the biggest fan of having "Glorsh was trying to prevent a tragedy all along" be a confirmed thing. Is there more to what they did than just that? Narratively, it's compelling I suppose. What tragedy would drive even a being without empathy to genocide and sterilize an entire species? Were there any other options you thought of, or was this always the end goal for the singularity? 

Anyway, good event. I'm really looking forward to what's next in Warble lore.

I was the Tup Commander for the last half of events, and a Tup Commando kidnapping a few people for the interlude mini-events.

By the second to last event, the overall station was siding with the revolutionaries (or perhaps more accurately, actively resisting the Federation's attempts to succeed). Much developed to this point to essentially drive the Tups into a desperate final act to brute force an attempt at victory, something not known to be common as far as the Federation's modus operandi goes. The Peacekeeping/Tup Commando elements pretty much lost their sense of moral/rational compass in an attempt to achieve victory by any means necessary. The Tups were sufficiently distracted enough, however, by the security force essentially deciding to risk their lives and be bowled over by the commando force.

We were expected to "job" a little, if anyone understands that from a wrestling perspective, which is to be comfortable with taking smaller losses on purpose while still stage-acting the impression that we were pushing for a victory.

I took it to interpret that the last event was supposed to be an explosion of violence and terror from an OOC standpoint, and Tup'Qerrim themselves was pushing for a final, desperate attempt to scratch out some kind of victory, knowing that something would happen. Hindsight is 20/20 and the Tups ended up jobbing way more than was expected - though to be fair I was never given the impression that the Jargon Federation was meant to win on its own. Ultimately the events hinged entirely on what the crew decided was the side to choose, not the Tups by themselves.

Edited January 19, 2020 by Scheveningen

[Skull132]

From a purely, "I observed this happening" perspective. The mode of running a 1 - 2 month arc with announced happening times appears to be a pretty big success for player involvement. We tracked twice the number of players that we regularly get for the finale.

Well done lads and ladderinos.

[Doc]

Please give it an accurate name or at least some kind of more detailed description in your announcements next time. I purposefully avoided the first half of the arc believing it was some kind of Skrell avant garde theatre series being put on aboard the Aurora, because all it was described as as "a skrell musical". That was, clearly, very much not what it was.

[Carver]

Echoing the above, the name felt wholly misleading and I'd thought the same at first until I saw mention of people dying and Tups.

[Gangstafary]

I was there with Fatima to see the visit of the star chanter and the first Peacekeeper visit in which they entered her lab and put everything upside down. Overall I enjoyed them, from my perspective I could feel the goonerism of the federation and overall I enjoyed them. The star chanter one, which was the second afaik, was a completely different one from what was expected and helped fulfill the moral idea of two sides having a point, although that moral ambiguity was pretty much lost in favour of the resistance for all non-skrells. But who cares about skrells?