New Code Discussions: Shells v Androids

[SilverTalismen]

Yes I am all for replacing shell and IPC's with this aswell, this looks amazing!

[Jennalele]

Having taken a second look over, I wouldn't really mind this, except I kind of /did/ like having odd colors available. I had Sillouette look sort of like Sonny from I, Robot- A silveryish skin tone that bordered on blue. I had Felix with a vaguely off-kilter, almost-skin-tone-but-not-quite color that fit well. If we're going to preset colors, I'd be disappointed, but else, if it's pretty much the same, but more streamlined, I'd be okay.

...I'd also prefer actually having a TV-head instead of it being a head slot thing, because berets, hard hats and other things.

[Carver]

...I'd also prefer actually having a TV-head instead of it being a head slot thing, because berets, hard hats and other things.

Mask slot. AKA TV-heads won't be smoking anymore because that was quite honestly a bit retarded.

[rrrrrr]

polaris androids are outright superior in every way possible to aurora shells

[Fire and Glory]

Skull has already said that Polaris android code can be tweaked and twisted to look like our stuff or whatever we want to do with it, so there's no real point not to use it.

[Butterrobber202]

Let's do it then

[Killerhurtz]

Just my 5 cents: GIVE ME ANDROIDS.

IPCs can stay I guess. I wouldn't mind.

I just want these sexy, sexy androids.

[SierraKomodo]

Just my 5 cents: GIVE ME ANDROIDS.

IPCs can stay I guess. I wouldn't mind.

I just want these sexy, sexy androids.

 

You know, by technical definition based upon station bound synths.. An android is a chassis housing a positronic brain. IPC = Integrated Positronic Chassis. So, TECHNICALLY, an IPC is an android

[Killerhurtz]

Okay, mini-rant incoming.

Yes, IPCs are android. However IPCs specifically refer to the monitorhead mob.

Furthermore, lore-wise, having androids be androids would both open up a whole new realm and make things simpler. No longer will any synthetic at all be called IPCs. I won't go into too much detail as a lot of the simplification will be mechanics-dependant, but yeah, there it is.

[Nanako]

Okay, mini-rant incoming.

Yes, IPCs are android. However IPCs specifically refer to the monitorhead mob.

Furthermore, lore-wise, having androids be androids would both open up a whole new realm and make things simpler. No longer will any synthetic at all be called IPCs. I won't go into too much detail as a lot of the simplification will be mechanics-dependant, but yeah, there it is.

 

What is an android then?

Please DO go into too much detail, or at least more than this.

[Alberyk]

What is an android then?

Please DO go into too much detail, or at least more than this.

 

Android=positronic brain.

Cyborg=man machine interface.

IPC means integrated positronic chassis, so, if we port the polaris robots, we will have both androids and cyborgs.

[Nanako]

Android=positronic brain.

Cyborg=man machine interface.

IPC means integrated positronic chassis, so, if we port the polaris robots, we will have both androids and cyborgs.

From what i understood, it was being implied that an android is different from an IPC, so that we'd have androids, cyborgs and IPCs.

I'm not seeing any distinction between an android and an IPC, they both have a positronic brain

[SierraKomodo]

Android=positronic brain.

Cyborg=man machine interface.

IPC means integrated positronic chassis, so, if we port the polaris robots, we will have both androids and cyborgs.

From what i understood, it was being implied that an android is different from an IPC, so that we'd have androids, cyborgs and IPCs.

I'm not seeing any distinction between an android and an IPC, they both have a positronic brain

 

I think the definition they were going for is 'IPC' implies a very specific type of chassis (Screen head), and Android is a more generalized description of what kind of brain is in the chassis.

[Killerhurtz]

OK SO. Sierra didn't go too far off the map.

But if Androids would be implemented, I would adapt the lore as follow (time and Boots permitting, it's a rough draft)

IPC> Integrated Positronic Chassis, as always. Except that as I THINK I mentioned, positronic is a nickname for a general self-contained computer. So IPCs would boil down to "this chassis was built around the computer". IPCs would be, pretty much, the laptops of synthetic crewmembers - they are built and designed for a specific purpose, and as such have very little thought put into them for aesthetics (hence the monitorhead). Ideally, if possible (if not already the case), their brains could not be removed surgically. And maybe they could not be, or have a different procedure to, be implemented in another body.

Robot> A lawed IPC, essentially. Built for a specific purpose with the brain integrated into the machine, and it's lawed.

Cyborg> A lawed machine that holds an organic brain, just like right now. If unlawed, see Android B)

Android> A) A completely synthetic autosapient being, with a synthetic body and a synthetic brain, regardless of whether it is lawed or not (lawed ones are, simply, referred to as "lawed androids"). B) An unlawed body driven by the organic brain of an autosapient species.

(Autosapience is defined as a species which has a concept of "I" and self-awareness, along with the concept of attaching experiences/sensations to specific things - like "pain of a headache" and "heat of the sun". Currently encompasses humans, tajara, unathi, skrell and Vox, at least in playable characters, as arguably some other animals would also considered autosentient - although, obviously, a Vox android would not be allowed on-station. Dionae are not autosentient as they are a collective species that too frequently exchanges data and so cannot be widely recognized as having the concept of "I", while Vaurca are a hivemind that inhibits that development.).

The general concensus of an android is in 3 components:

1) The brain is a component of the body, and as such it can be transferred out with little to no repercussion, like it can replace an arm or a leg.

2) It is autosapient, and not designed for a specific purpose - it was made to be part of society.

3) As it has autosapience, it also has an identity.

Makes sense? Because right now it's a big pet peeve of mine that IPCs designate all unlawed synthetic bodies regardless of anything. Shells sort of made it a bit better by having some people switch to just calling them shells, but yeah.

[Butterrobber202]

The skins available, in full.

 

 

From left to right;

Bishop

Hephaestus (It's misspelled as Hesphiastos, for some unusual reason)

Zeng-Hu

Xion

Morpheus (Traditional IPC, can be given CRT monitor via a custom loadout item, said monitor's screen can be changed at will, and cannot be taken off from the mask slot)

Ward-Takahashi (The Polaris' exclusive prosthetic skin, can be ported easily)

Unbranded w/ Bishop arm, Zeng-Hu head w/ brown cut hair, and Hephaestus leg to show that you can mix and match. (Full unbranded looks exactly like an unskinned Shell would on oldcode)

 

Hey, can we get a female version of these? because it is highly temptin to Turn Macy Laster into a Zeng-Hu Android

[Carver]

Hey, can we get a female version of these? because it is highly temptin to Turn Macy Laster into a Zeng-Hu Android

Compiling Polaris' code right now to check if there are female versions, but I'm going to preemptively assume there are not. Mind that you can put female hair on them though so unless you fancy flashing robo-tits then your flatness shouldn't be too noticeable.

Well colour me surprised, there actually /are/ female sprites.

And you can put underwear on robots, too, so people who flash their robo-barbie doll bitties now fall under indecent exposure.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

Is this even relevant still? Is there any chance of it being implemented within the next, er... Ever?

[Butterrobber202]

Skull is moving to this once he tidies up his Vampire overhaul.

[Bedshaped]

Having played the Polaris bots, I think they're good; more freedom for skins is nice.

Perhaps a less strict synthetic RP will be needed though if you have synthetics who probably look like the androids from Alien.

edit: I think it would be a good idea to completely replace IPCs with androids, it means people with a mind for synthetic roleplay are already whitelisted and there's less confusion with different races etc.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

I think it would be a good idea to completely replace IPCs with androids, it means people with a mind for synthetic roleplay are already whitelisted and there's less confusion with different races etc.

Thought that was pretty much the plan; I do really like the new bots, and wouldn't mind replacing IPCs with them (Especially considering we'd still be able to play the TVheads :3)

[Bedshaped]

I found this thread quite late, didn't know it'd already been decided.

[The Stryker]

Can we code it so that Morpheus IPCs can still use face gear for antag purposes?

[Carver]

Can we code it so that Morpheus IPCs can still use face gear for antag purposes?

The most you could potentially do is make the 'monitor' an ear item instead of a mask item, but the idea of a square-headed TV wearing any kind of mask is rather silly and unrealistic.

But, they still should be able to use voice changers to some extent. One alternative to the 'earpiece' thing would be either making a unique item to 'add' to their CRT monitor like an accessory is added to a jumpsuit, or if we wanted to be more sensible we could just change voice changers from a gas mask to a headset key/voice-changing headset (Or add the headset key/voice-changing headset as another variation at a different price).

I can't think of any other antag purposes that use the mask slot aside from voice changers, except for perhaps... Covering your head with something which can be done with a welding mask and either way noone will be fooled by a TV-head covering their 'face'.