[Resolved] Ban Request - Jesse Armstrong

[Aaron J. Hughes]

BYOND Key: AaronJHughes

Accused Players Byond Key: Spider4062

Time of Act:

Between the time of 13.00 and 14.10. Timezone: GMT +1

13-7-2017

Reason for Ban:

Armstrong has been unable to properly forward roleplaying standards in the server as a security member (usually a detective).

Being unable to react to situation accordingly when he is in accusation, what happens he just starts running and minging around the station until he gets the chance to defend himself again without roleplaying it.

As a certain job role, he does not how to perform it correctly by the standards as stated in the guidelines in the wiki. Beating up people is no exception to anything for what he does, killing 2 people and having the 3rd one wounded and incapacitated still suggesting to kill him as it "wouldn't matter". Armstrong has had multiple incidents outside of the stated time aswell. He is in my experience a toxic player and ruined my roleplaying experience from the server heavily when he was present.

Evidence:

Was unable to retrieve evidence as server restarted and chat got wiped.

This incident was also report to Trial Moderator Ezuo who handled one of the incidents accordingly aswell.

[Ezuo]

Alright, I want to make my involvement in this very clear. I responded to an ahelp for a single incident, an arrest that brought up a few concerns. I did not pass judgement on the general play of Spider's character, or their ability to perform their job generally. I don't believe I've seen Jesse around very much firsthand, so I don't feel qualified to put in my 2 cents on general play and conduct.

[Wrenn]

(I wrote a long message and it disappeared when I tried to submit, so I'll bulletpoint and explain further if required)

*Armstrong's roleplay is poor, in my opinion.

*He does not understand the role of detective (running around with a stun baton)

*During a vault robbery and hostage situation, he ran into the vault, causing a firefight that killed the hostage and two security staff, which could have been good roleplay otherwise.

*He was trying to set a prisoner on fire with a zippo light, who then tried to escape. Armstrong then beat him to death with a stun baton, as well as the Nymphs that spawned (tree person).

*Runs around the station with a stunbaton (turned on) in his hand, not contributing to the scenario at all.

*Repeatedly requested that the AI warrant myself and Hughes (I didn't have a reason to be arrested, as I was offering to submit to questioning, but he wanted to 'beat and handcuff' me).

[Spider]

hey pal, during the round you were an antagonist who was caught breaking into the captains office with the modified id card

in that office we were trying to resolve the situation peacefully, i didnt have weapons on me but you pulled yours out, you started shooting when i showed no aggression towards you and i was forced to stun and cuff you.

after that your other antagonist buddy who was a detective had you released, and after you saw me in the halls you told me to halt, i did, and you just attempted to cuff me without saying why or giving any reason, i ran away, and you pulled a laser rifle out, didnt shoot me or anything but at that point i had a reason to defend myself, though i resorted to running way instead. you chased after me. then i stunned you, and took you to my office and not to processing, because i wasnt arresting you. at that point i couldnt even trust my own security team because they made false accusations by saying i had a 'hacked pda' and contraband, so it would've been foolish to have you in processing in the open.

so note i wasnt arresting you, because i'm a detective, i later got the cadet to do that. i stripped you of your weapons and hud glasses because those would give you an advantage if you were to escape, though i kept your backpack for evidence to be used against you when we reached central (IC). from there i handed you over to the cadet to keep you in holding in the shuttle like the AI had asked to be done.

now the other stuff you said:

"Being unable to react to situation accordingly when he is in accusation, what happens he just starts running and minging around the station until he gets the chance to defend himself again without roleplaying it."

you literally tried to cuff me without saying anything besides 'halt' so idk what ur on about. i was doing my job properly as a detective, investigating things, taking evidence and making deductions, such as your role in breaking into the captains office. you say defending myself without roleplaying it, im not sure i want to type out a lengthy /me when youre chasing me with a laser rifle

"Beating up people is no exception to anything for what he does, killing 2 people and having the 3rd one wounded and incapacitated still suggesting to kill him as it "wouldn't matter""

i dont get what this is supposed to mean, i hadnt killed anyone during that round besides the antag diona who decapitated two officers, escaped from holding, and beat me up, so i have no idea what you're quoting here

"He is in my experience a toxic player and ruined my roleplaying experience from the server heavily when he was present."

i have no idea who you are, i dont think i've ever played with you, however if you had an actual problem perhaps you mightve brought it to light earlier or talked to an admin, so idk what this is supposed to be

this situation was handled in the server by ezuo, far as i know i wasnt in the wrong there, and he handled it

[Spider]

(I wrote a long message and it disappeared when I tried to submit, so I'll bulletpoint and explain further if required)

*Armstrong's roleplay is poor, in my opinion.

*He does not understand the role of detective (running around with a stun baton)

*During a vault robbery and hostage situation, he ran into the vault, causing a firefight that killed the hostage and two security staff, which could have been good roleplay otherwise.

*He was trying to set a prisoner on fire with a zippo light, who then tried to escape. Armstrong then beat him to death with a stun baton, as well as the Nymphs that spawned (tree person).

*Runs around the station with a stunbaton (turned on) in his hand, not contributing to the scenario at all.

*Repeatedly requested that the AI warrant myself and Hughes (I didn't have a reason to be arrested, as I was offering to submit to questioning, but he wanted to 'beat and handcuff' me).

 

hello sorry for double posting

1. my roleplay is fine pal

2. i do understand how to play a detective, and i never had a stunbaton on me

3. i never ran into the vault like an idiot, we tried to disarm the situation with a flashbang and extract who the hostage was, the death of two security members isnt on my hands, though i was warned about this by an admin already (cakeisossim)

4. the prisoner who escaped was fighting us, not to mention you were also contributing by beating the living shit out of the guy, even when i told you to stop, i had an ic motive to burn it because it decapitated two officers like shit man

5. i never had a stunbaton, and i never ran around with one in my hands lmao, idk what you're saying here, i didnt even have a gun because i was icly fucked up for killing the prisoner and decided to put it away

6. the ai said you were collaborating with the antagonist warden, which was really obvious since you said i had a 'hacked pda' and contraband, as well as the warden setting everyone in sec to arrest but you and him. i know we cant arrest you or search you, not on code green, so i asked for a warrant and let the officer to the work, i didnt touch you until you pulled a gun and randomly shot me without any RP just as the shuttle touched down

ur lying basically

[Ornias]

I was the diona antagonist that round, Wearing Face Over Mask.

Jesse Armstrong did not handle this situation properly. They made a silly decision (which, in fairness, was backed up by the rest of security, who were all in a position to deny the order) which resulted in the deaths of three people. I didn't like that they beat down my nymph pile, but in fairness, that's pretty much expected at this point, and I don't blame them for acting like that. I defended myself afterwards and the situation was dealt with ICly.

HOWEVER.

This is the first time I've ever had any form of negative interaction with them. Now, maybe it's because I don't play sec enough, but every interaction I've had with them (antag or not) bar this one has been enjoyable. They've shown understanding of how a detective should work in the past, and feels (while a little hands on, perhaps) like someone who genuinely cares about trying to play a detective rather than just an officer with a cool coat. This specific incident, while poor play, is by no means indicative of how he usually performs. I have off-days too. It was dealt with at the time and should be kept that way.

I think calling them a 'toxic player' without talking to them about it over PMs or in LOOC is a little silly. People can't improve if you don't tell them how they can improve, and jumping to a player complaint feels like a drastic step.

[Aaron J. Hughes]

hey pal, during the round you were an antagonist who was caught breaking into the captains office with the modified id card

in that office we were trying to resolve the situation peacefully, i didnt have weapons on me but you pulled yours out, you started shooting when i showed no aggression towards you and i was forced to stun and cuff you.

 

I had my gun out and told you and the cadet to drop everything you had, to disable the beepsky drone and to stand by a wall. When a gun is pointed at you, even when told not to move or you will be shot, you still decided to move and drag the cadet with you. On that moment I opened fire on you because you basically ignored everything I asked you to do even when under aim of a lethal pistol.

 

after that your other antagonist buddy who was a detective had you released, and after you saw me in the halls you told me to halt, i did, and you just attempted to cuff me without saying why or giving any reason, i ran away, and you pulled a laser rifle out, didnt shoot me or anything but at that point i had a reason to defend myself, though i resorted to running way instead. you chased after me. then i stunned you, and took you to my office and not to processing, because i wasnt arresting you. at that point i couldnt even trust my own security team because they made false accusations by saying i had a 'hacked pda' and contraband, so it would've been foolish to have you in processing in the open.

 

I told you to halt and wait, I was typing until you started moving away from me, I then tried to handcuff you, you indicated to me you had no interest in roleplaying it out even when I was typing that you were WANTED. You then just started running around like a madman, and I indeed pulled out my laser rifle (this was handled by ezuo), but when you had the chance, you just beated me up, cuffed me and dragged me into your detectives office! Stripping me from everything I had as a detective even though this is a officer's job and you did not even do it in a legitimate matter, no process, no questions, no sign of RP taking stuff from me, You just dragged me and started doing everything without me even being able to resist because you were dragging the chair around the room whenever I tried.

 

so note i wasnt arresting you, because i'm a detective, i later got the cadet to do that. i stripped you of your weapons and hud glasses because those would give you an advantage if you were to escape, though i kept your backpack for evidence to be used against you when we reached central (IC). from there i handed you over to the cadet to keep you in holding in the shuttle like the AI had asked to be done.

 

You let the cadet drag me to the transfer area as you just wandered and dragged me across the detective room until transfer was initiated.

 

now the other stuff you said:

"Being unable to react to situation accordingly when he is in accusation, what happens he just starts running and minging around the station until he gets the chance to defend himself again without roleplaying it."

you literally tried to cuff me without saying anything besides 'halt' so idk what ur on about. i was doing my job properly as a detective, investigating things, taking evidence and making deductions, such as your role in breaking into the captains office. you say defending myself without roleplaying it, im not sure i want to type out a lengthy /me when youre chasing me with a laser rifle

 

Same explenation given as above. No need to extend the thread with duplicate phrases.

 

"He is in my experience a toxic player and ruined my roleplaying experience from the server heavily when he was present."

i have no idea who you are, i dont think i've ever played with you, however if you had an actual problem perhaps you mightve brought it to light earlier or talked to an admin, so idk what this is supposed to be

this situation was handled in the server by ezuo, far as i know i wasnt in the wrong there, and he handled it

 

I have played with you before, the one problem was indeed handled but all the others weren't.

[Aaron J. Hughes]

I was the diona antagonist that round, Wearing Face Over Mask.

Jesse Armstrong did not handle this situation properly. They made a silly decision (which, in fairness, was backed up by the rest of security, who were all in a position to deny the order) which resulted in the deaths of three people. I didn't like that they beat down my nymph pile, but in fairness, that's pretty much expected at this point, and I don't blame them for acting like that. I defended myself afterwards and the situation was dealt with ICly.

HOWEVER.

This is the first time I've ever had any form of negative interaction with them. Now, maybe it's because I don't play sec enough, but every interaction I've had with them (antag or not) bar this one has been enjoyable. They've shown understanding of how a detective should work in the past, and feels (while a little hands on, perhaps) like someone who genuinely cares about trying to play a detective rather than just an officer with a cool coat. This specific incident, while poor play, is by no means indicative of how he usually performs. I have off-days too. It was dealt with at the time and should be kept that way.

I think calling them a 'toxic player' without talking to them about it over PMs or in LOOC is a little silly. People can't improve if you don't tell them how they can improve, and jumping to a player complaint feels like a drastic step.

 

Stating that he understands how the detective should be played is conflicting the first statement you made. He has been playing for detective a while now making such "silly decision" is really something you should not do as a detective, especially with what happened to you. The other statements I cannot really respond to as I am not you. But for me he is a toxic player who ruined and surely if still present will keep ruining my experience on the server if he does not improve. He is unable to confirm his own problems in any sense and blames it on other people if it comes down to it.

[Spider]

I had my gun out and told you and the cadet to drop everything you had, to disable the beepsky drone and to stand by a wall. When a gun is pointed at you, even when told not to move or you will be shot, you still decided to move and drag the cadet with you. On that moment I opened fire on you because you basically ignored everything I asked you to do even when under aim of a lethal pistol.

beep was disabled and i dragged the cadet behind the monitor because he was in clear range of your gun, you never had a clear shot and even had to move like 5 tiles to get one, i was behind cover so there was literally no reason for the cadet to open himself to being shot. you decided to shoot instead of further rping

I told you to halt and wait, I was typing until you started moving away from me, I then tried to handcuff you, you indicated to me you had no interest in roleplaying it out even when I was typing that you were WANTED. You then just started running around like a madman, and I indeed pulled out my laser rifle (this was handled by ezuo), but when you had the chance, you just beated me up, cuffed me and dragged me into your detectives office! Stripping me from everything I had as a detective even though this is a officer's job and you did not even do it in a legitimate matter, no process, no questions, no sign of RP taking stuff from me, You just dragged me and started doing everything without me even being able to resist because you were dragging the chair around the room whenever I tried.

if i was wanted u could've just asked me to walk to the brig, i showed no resistance but you just attempted to cuff me which obviously wasnt going to happen, so i moved, then you pulled out a laser rifle and i fucking legged it

You let the cadet drag me to the transfer area as you just wandered and dragged me across the detective room until transfer was initiated.

like i said i wasnt arresting you, i was just taking you to the office hoping i could speak to you, wasnt an arrest. but instead of speaking you decided to complain over looc and brought an admin in

 

I was the diona antagonist that round, Wearing Face Over Mask.

Jesse Armstrong did not handle this situation properly. They made a silly decision (which, in fairness, was backed up by the rest of security, who were all in a position to deny the order) which resulted in the deaths of three people. I didn't like that they beat down my nymph pile, but in fairness, that's pretty much expected at this point, and I don't blame them for acting like that. I defended myself afterwards and the situation was dealt with ICly.

HOWEVER.

This is the first time I've ever had any form of negative interaction with them. Now, maybe it's because I don't play sec enough, but every interaction I've had with them (antag or not) bar this one has been enjoyable. They've shown understanding of how a detective should work in the past, and feels (while a little hands on, perhaps) like someone who genuinely cares about trying to play a detective rather than just an officer with a cool coat. This specific incident, while poor play, is by no means indicative of how he usually performs. I have off-days too. It was dealt with at the time and should be kept that way.

I think calling them a 'toxic player' without talking to them about it over PMs or in LOOC is a little silly. People can't improve if you don't tell them how they can improve, and jumping to a player complaint feels like a drastic step.

 

yeah perhaps that wasnt handled as well as it was meant to be, and i was spoken by an admin about it, but thank you, i do try to play my role well

[Faris]

This might be more suited in the player/character complaint section as opposed to the ban request section.

[Aaron J. Hughes]

This might be more suited in the player/character complaint section as opposed to the ban request section.

 

If I may give my free opinion, is that this person should not be permanently banned but for a time where he is able to have enough time to read through a wiki and get some more experience before joining a Heavy Roleplay Server. I will not continue to bring forward any more accusations as he will keep twisting and changing stories. If he is uncapable of properly typing out a counter message that doesn't look like it is written by a guy who has anger issues, I would happily move this thread to the player/character complaint section. But he did not, which is why I will stand behind my statements I stated against him. If this thread will need to be moved around when clearly it is obvious that a ban is applicable I will take that path because such people cannot properly converse without going mental and bringing up one statement that has been dealt with as their only source of defending themselves against mine.

[Spider]

This might be more suited in the player/character complaint section as opposed to the ban request section.

 

If I may give my free opinion, is that this person should not be permanently banned but for a time where he is able to have enough time to read through a wiki and get some more experience before joining a Heavy Roleplay Server. I will not continue to bring forward any more accusations as he will keep twisting and changing stories. If he is uncapable of properly typing out a counter message that doesn't look like it is written by a guy who has anger issues, I would happily move this thread to the player/character complaint section. But he did not, which is why I will stand behind my statements I stated against him. If this thread will need to be moved around when clearly it is obvious that a ban is applicable I will take that path because such people cannot properly converse without going mental and bringing up one statement that has been dealt with as their only source of defending themselves against mine.

 

did u srsly just say i sounded like a guy who had anger issues lmao

ive read through the wiki, i've read through the rules, i know how to roleplay pal i've been doing it for a while. i still dont understand what i have done wrong that would warrant me a ban, i've brought up all my counters against your accusations, what we can do now is just wait.

[Aaron J. Hughes]

Can this thread be moved to player/character complaint section so he can recieve a job ban so atleast he can improve on his roleplay and hopefully Actually improve.

[Ornias]

Stating that he understands how the detective should be played is conflicting the first statement you made. He has been playing for detective a while now making such "silly decision" is really something you should not do as a detective, especially with what happened to you. The other statements I cannot really respond to as I am not you. But for me he is a toxic player who ruined and surely if still present will keep ruining my experience on the server if he does not improve. He is unable to confirm his own problems in any sense and blames it on other people if it comes down to it.

 

I'm not saying he acted right in this case. I'm saying that everyone fucks up once in a while. I saw him go and try to apologize to Jamie Fraser afterwards for the way he acted. I'm not gonna hold a grudge for someone making one bad call.

If he's a 'toxic player', you're going to need to provide more than one example. I've never spoken with the guy OOCly, but providing one contested example isn't going to help anyone, you're going to need to present what kind of calls he's making that is ruining your experience. Because from the way I can see it now, you're saying "he took me down as a detective, and I believe the way he did it was unfair, so he is a toxic player". The way he took you down may well have been unfair, but that doesn't make a player toxic. That means he made a bad call.

[Scheveningen]

This might be more suited in the player/character complaint section as opposed to the ban request section.

 

I would probably consider it apt for either subforum. Considering that while ban requests are normally for grief, I believe I've reported this kind of behavior regarding the OP's security play before. I don't quite recall if they were warned or job-banned as of recent for metagaming an antagonist's presence and failing to follow security procedure in the arrest of said antagonist. It was dealt with but I doubt Spider actually learned anything from it.

If anything the OP's said is of any indication it's kind of clear that his conduct has not changed. Because I can most certainly attest that he's validhunted very recently. He was punished for it in some capacity. And here's a report (or multiple, if we count the other posters as well) of Spider validhunting super hard to the point where it's metagaming. Which kind of just says he didn't learn his lesson.

[Spider]

This might be more suited in the player/character complaint section as opposed to the ban request section.

 

I would probably consider it apt for either subforum. Considering that while ban requests are normally for grief, I believe I've reported this kind of behavior regarding the OP's security play before. I don't quite recall if they were warned or job-banned as of recent for metagaming an antagonist's presence and failing to follow security procedure in the arrest of said antagonist. It was dealt with but I doubt Spider actually learned anything from it.

If anything the OP's said is of any indication it's kind of clear that his conduct has not changed. Because I can most certainly attest that he's validhunted very recently. He was punished for it in some capacity. And here's a report (or multiple, if we count the other posters as well) of Spider validhunting super hard to the point where it's metagaming. Which kind of just says he didn't learn his lesson.

 

but this was something different, i wasnt valid hunting or anything

crew transfer was called and i was walking to the shuttle just to get stopped by the warden who just recently was arrested for shooting me and breaking into the captains office, when he tries to cuff me without saying anything im obviously not gonna let that happen so i ran.

i wasnt validhunting or actively trying to ruin someones round, ur getting the wrong idea from this

[DatBerry]

Oh I remember your detective, I hope I'm not mixing people up, but I'm very sure it was armstrong.

my only direct interaction with your character ended up with me getting shot with lethals for fleeing an illegal arrest over what was only battery, fleeing after you pulled your revolver none the less. that showed that you lack regulations and arrest procedure knowledge and lack of any care for the damage lethal weapons do. to top it all you said over comms that you had "good aim" and shot for the legs. ironically enough the bullet fragmented and gave me internal bleeding in my leg and i would've died if i didn't run to medical in time.

That same round [mention]sonicgotnuked[/mention] mentioned you ruined the negotiations between him (the captain) and the ninja by shooting lethals (again) at them, and would've demoted you had it not been for the blob and other incidents they had to deal with.

now this happened a while ago, but this complaint is telling me you're still the same and nothing has changed.

[Spider]

Oh I remember your detective, I hope I'm not mixing people up, but I'm very sure it was armstrong.

my only direct interaction with your character ended up with me getting shot with lethals for fleeing an illegal arrest over what was only battery, fleeing after you pulled your revolver none the less. that showed that you lack regulations and arrest procedure knowledge and lack of any care for the damage lethal weapons do. to top it all you said over comms that you had "good aim" and shot for the legs. ironically enough the bullet fragmented and gave me internal bleeding in my leg and i would've died if i didn't run to medical in time.

That same round @sonicgotnuked mentioned you ruined the negotiations between him (the captain) and the ninja by shooting lethals (again) at them, and would've demoted you had it not been for the blob and other incidents they had to deal with.

now this happened a while ago, but this complaint is telling me you're still the same and nothing has changed.

 

what

i dont ever recall this happening, even if it did, has 0 relevance

[sonicgotnuked]

Oh damn, I remember that detective clearly and him being the reason the ninja blew up in my captains office. I honestly do not remember his name, at all and it was a while ago, but berry's point stands if you were that detective.

[Spider]

Oh damn, I remember that detective clearly and him being the reason the ninja blew up in my captains office. I honestly do not remember his name, at all and it was a while ago, but berry's point stands if you were that detective.

 

that is definitely not me, i dont like ninja rounds and the only time a ninja has ever blown up was when we had shot one in the armory, this is someone else please dont bring this into the complaint as it wasnt me

[Bygonehero]

Jesse Armstrong is definitely aggressive, but I agree it should be a CCIA report and not a Ban Request, You shouldn't punish someone for playing their character, and nothing I have seen from Jesse as a character seems to break the rules. They are just aggressive. Consider how silly the reverse is. Punishing people for aggressiveness promotes carebear RP cliques, where antagonists and aggressive activity of any sort are punished. Which leads to punish anything that breaks someone out of their safe space echo-chamber.

Remember, if someone breaks the rules, report it to admins. If they are not breaking the rules, and are not an an antag, a CCIA or character complaint, depending on context are available.

[Scheveningen]

I would probably disagree with that, Bygone, if it's gotten to the point where they've been spoken to about playing like shitcurity, and this still happens to be an issue, that's kind of a problem.

It honestly has little to do with how they affect antagonists. If you go into a role with absolutely no intent on upholding and following the regulations you're supposed to enforce on the crew, that's not a problem of the character, that is a problem with the player. Like how we have expectations to prevent folks from self-antagonizing as normal crewmembers, I think that also extends to the point where security officers or detectives should never abuse their power to a very unsubtle extent (rather, the players should not be taking those actions as their character, because it's kind of a thing where no security officer wants to lose their job, so the player should not be making those decisions for their character if it actively endangers their employment). Security corruption can be roleplayed to some extent, but the character still needs to be competent and understand how to follow their own regulations before they can begin to stretch them.

[Aaron J. Hughes]

I would probably disagree with that, Bygone, if it's gotten to the point where they've been spoken to about playing like shitcurity, and this still happens to be an issue, that's kind of a problem.

It honestly has little to do with how they affect antagonists. If you go into a role with absolutely no intent on upholding and following the regulations you're supposed to enforce on the crew, that's not a problem of the character, that is a problem with the player. Like how we have expectations to prevent folks from self-antagonizing as normal crewmembers, I think that also extends to the point where security officers or detectives should never abuse their power to a very unsubtle extent (rather, the players should not be taking those actions as their character, because it's kind of a thing where no security officer wants to lose their job, so the player should not be making those decisions for their character if it actively endangers their employment). Security corruption can be roleplayed to some extent, but the character still needs to be competent and understand how to follow their own regulations before they can begin to stretch them.

 

This, I could not have said it in any way better. The reason I made this request is that I know there were mutliple infractions and problems without me being directly involved, I have called admins to deal with him but it still has not come to a point where it is learned on how to continue properly, as he claims he learns, he might, but not in a phase that progresses so slowly that we can be 5 months further with only solving two "minor" issues. I have had problems with people before that were also really really frustrating calling in admins to deal with it, but these people then also learned and you would notice they did, jesse (spider) here does not and that is the main problem here.

[Spider]

I would probably disagree with that, Bygone, if it's gotten to the point where they've been spoken to about playing like shitcurity, and this still happens to be an issue, that's kind of a problem.

It honestly has little to do with how they affect antagonists. If you go into a role with absolutely no intent on upholding and following the regulations you're supposed to enforce on the crew, that's not a problem of the character, that is a problem with the player. Like how we have expectations to prevent folks from self-antagonizing as normal crewmembers, I think that also extends to the point where security officers or detectives should never abuse their power to a very unsubtle extent (rather, the players should not be taking those actions as their character, because it's kind of a thing where no security officer wants to lose their job, so the player should not be making those decisions for their character if it actively endangers their employment). Security corruption can be roleplayed to some extent, but the character still needs to be competent and understand how to follow their own regulations before they can begin to stretch them.

 

This, I could not have said it in any way better. The reason I made this request is that I know there were mutliple infractions and problems without me being directly involved, I have called admins to deal with him but it still has not come to a point where it is learned on how to continue properly, as he claims he learns, he might, but not in a phase that progresses so slowly that we can be 5 months further with only solving two "minor" issues. I have had problems with people before that were also really really frustrating calling in admins to deal with it, but these people then also learned and you would notice they did, jesse (spider) here does not and that is the main problem here.

 

yeah i still dont understand what ive done wrong to you

ive explained my reasons for what i did, so just leave it from here, pulling up past problems about valid hunting is irrelevant because i wasnt doing that here

[Garnascus]

This has gone on a lot without much substance. We cannot take action against a player based on hearsay. I am not saying you guys are lying. I think theirs definitely merit to bringing up issues you have with how someone plays. The situation described in the OP was noted on the players record. In fact its the ONLY note on this players record about security play. Job banning them would be extremely inappropriate.