[Resolved] Complaint on Yahir Jones

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

BYOND Key: Jackboot

Game ID: It's recurrent behavior.

Player Byond Key: kyres1

Staff involved:

Reason for complaint: I have had multiple negative interactions with Yahir Jones that usually have me be extremely uncomfortable after the affair. The character seems to be defined almost entirely by his sexuality, which he takes great pains to flaunt at other people. It's come off as awkward at best and ERP baiting at worst. Whenever he has interactions with my characters he makes it a point to hit on them and continues to do so even when asked to stop or insulted. I didn't know if it was just me so I asked other people Yahir interacted with and received similar concerns.

When he's an antagonist he has neglected his antagonist goals to make secondary objectives that revolve around slashfiction behaviors. He's used dominate to force people to perform humiliating acts like proclaim their love for him, or kiss people. There is an account where when he was a raider he let in a bunch of miners on the raider ship and dressed them up in dresses, talking about how cute they were. The entire time his ally was dying in the airlock screaming for his help, and Yahir continued to ignore him to play dress up dolls with miners. His ally managed to enter the ship and was so mad he killed Yahir.

There was also recently a complaint on him having borderline BDSM ERP on server and this has NOT improved since that complaint.

Last wednesday when I was cultist jawdat, I approached him in medical and began reciting a list of why his life sucks and his only friends are in the cult yadda yadda. He responds to the accusation of having no friends by listing off his sexual partners. It started to get really weird... So I prompted a fight and killed him.

I have also seen Yahir Jones in the brig a LOT as a non-antagonist. In general they are an immature and unrealistic character that repeatedly toes the line of acceptability. I do not want to try to deal with this IC because I do not want to have to deal with the uncomfortable fact that when you really look at it Yahir Jones is a walking sexual predator, and that's not something I feel like going through IC'ly because it's not reasonable to have on the station or server. I know that probably isn't the intention of the player but his frequent sexual and romantic advances on everything that crosses his path makes me unwilling to board when he's present and when I'm an antagonist I know I can't get physically violent with him because almost every time he makes it really weird.

Playing with Yahir Jones around is uncomfortable and makes many negative experiences, and I'd like it reviewed in an OOC manner.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation?

Approximate Date/Time: Last wednesday at 2am was my last interaction with him as of posting.

[hivefleetchicken]

I think he only let one miner on while the others stayed outside but yes she ended up walking around the skipjack in a dress and bunny ears and conversing casually with kyres instead of him trying to take her hostage or anything. he continued to casually converse with her until his ally forced himself in after tiring of waiting and killed kyres cause he was so mad at the misprioritization of yahir/whoever the character was. i think it was the one kyres calls an "accidental trap" but i have literally no name to go off of

perhaps you could throw the book of OBJECTION YOUR HONOR AD HOMINEM OF CIRCUMSTANCE at me for this but:

 

are you really that surprised jackboot

also a minor nitpicking thing that probably holds no relevance so im putting it in a spoiler:

 

 

im sorry to say that when you state almost half of the people your character knows are characters you are trying to get your character sex with, im pretty sure you may have a problem with erp

Edited October 7, 2017 by Guest

[Saudus]

also a minor nitpicking thing that probably holds no relevance so im putting it in a spoiler:

 

 

im sorry to say that when you state almost half of the people your character knows are characters you are trying to get your character sex with, im pretty sure you may have a problem with erp

 

What the shit is that? Is that made by kyres1?

I can't help but add a +1 to the "repeatedly toes the line of acceptability. ". It feels like Yahir is either an antag or doing something absolutely silly/fucked up. I remember this one round where he and another engineer, a Tajaran, were walking around and assaulting each other with spoons after doing weird dialogues in front of people (technically they gave consent but that doesn't make it not assault IMO).

[Coalf]

I'll be taking over this complaint and judging it's validity from now on.

First off yes, Yahir as a character has been quite the blister on the crew manifest and while I hold no personal grudge against them as I've had barebones interactions, all those barebones interactions were either negative or creepy. (Personal experience)

BUT

When I interacted with the player in question outside of Yahir, either in deadchat, being a merc or playing a wizard he's actually been an acceptible individual and his RP and overall playstyle seems to spike in quality. (Again all of this is personal experience.)

While I think this whole thing could have just been an IR because all IR's are uncomfortable I still see why this could be a legit problem for someone.

Aurora is a SFW server and while an innuendo here or there is funny and we've had quite a few "trap" character they've all had enough restraint in them to make one or two jokes per month.

On the other hand playing a walking innuendo is on the brink of acceptible, I'll withold my judgement until [mention]kyres1[/mention] responds.

And

 

perhaps you could throw the book of OBJECTION YOUR HONOR AD HOMINEM OF CIRCUMSTANCE at me for this but:

 

 

*spoilered for posterity

This has nothing to do with the complaint and I'd ask people to avoid attempting character assasination and instead focus on the players in-game behaviour. And if I remember it correctly hive you used a sprite of a naked baby in a diaper as your profile picture for a good few weeks and now switched to a caricature of a drug dealer.

I know friends are involved but if you have nothing to add, don't.

What the shit is that? Is that made by kyres1?

 

No, that's the Aurora shipping manifest made by a certain player to keep an easier track of all relationships characters have with each other, anyone can add their own character to it if they wish so it's completely voluntery.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

personally i find an obviously humorous sprite of a bald greyshirt in a diaper followed by a plastic CGI 90's puppet with sunglasses does't reinforce Hivefleet as having a general ERP baiting vibe, whereas an orgasm face of Mercy from Overwatch does fit the themes going on here, but that is just me

[Scheveningen]

The shipping manifest is really not going to be considered in the grand scheme of the complaint, that should be handled by whoever admins that document, which I think is [mention]ariever[/mention] . I could be wrong on that note, since it might just be [mention]MoondancerPony[/mention] . Reason being: it is not directly on-server and there have been incidents of defacing that manifest, so even the slightest chance of that being insincere can throw the entire case off.

Round IDs for these rounds in specific would be helpful, otherwise we cannot really take action on "recent hearsay," much as many are plainly aware of Kyres1' eccentricity. Complaint SOP is innocent until proven guilty, no matter how good of a hunch someone has.

[mention]hivefleetchicken[/mention][mention]Senpai Jackboot[/mention] And yes, it is character assassination. Stay on-topic. Target actions and behavior, not the person.

[sonicgotnuked]

I honestly find Yahir a good character, relationships, drama..

Honestly, I think all that needs to come is a talk to by staff to cut down the sexual vibe shit. It is sometimes placed really well, I mean.. He did tell one of my characters, Nasser he has a nice kitty ass and give it a squeeze. Anyway, all that should come from this in my personal experience to to cut down on the ERP-ehh behavior. Like I said in Discord, ERP shit is snuck in very well and it is sometimes halarious in my view. Just tell him to cut down.

Generally, his roleplay is fantastic and his antag roleplay is also sometimes extremely halarious.

[Munks]

Why should it not be handled OOCly when it's a character that, in-character, shouldn't have made it on the station to begin with? He acts like a child every shift. As in, he does not even attempt to maintain some sort of illusion that he's here because he's a competent professional. I see him hit on everybody, sometimes not even just limited to words, it's creepy and it's not something that should be here. Yahir Jones is a consistently lowRP character that has already gotten in shit for it before but managed to fly under the radar while not changing a bit since he was told to.

I recall hearing in OOC not long ago that it's supposed to technically be against the rules to constantly wipe your recorded security incidents from when you were nonantag, because you're basically declaring events noncanon when you need everybody involved to agree to declare it noncanon. This is brought up for an obvious reason: Yahir Jones gets arrested all the fucking time, plenty as a nonantag. If these are supposed to be canon if he wasn't an antag, then he should already be long gone.

[Coalf]

declaring events noncanon when you need everybody involved to agree to declare it noncanon

 

I'm sure it's purely up to the person to declare something regarding his own character non-canon.

[Munks]

declaring events noncanon when you need everybody involved to agree to declare it noncanon

 

I'm sure it's purely up to the person to declare something regarding his own character non-canon.

 

I was told that people involved had to agree to call it non-canon otherwise you have one person who remembers arresting someone (without antags involved, otherwise it would have been noncanon by default) and someone who declares every arrest on him noncanon so he has a clean record despite being in the brig every shift. If it's not true, I don't see the point in having briggings recorded in the first place.

That's not the point though. Yahir Jones is not someone that would be here, on account of flirting/borderline sexually harassing everyone constantly, as well as the fact he can hardly seem to go a shift without being arrested. If we are going to file an IR about him being arrested every shift and harassing people constantly, then we would have to consider all these canon. This would then mean we'd forgo the IR entirely and go right to charges because there's no point in filing an IR against someone who does something blatantly illegal anyway. Do you see then why this should be handled OOC?

[Coalf]

Do you see then why this should be handled OOC?

 

I still see why this could be a legit problem for someone.

 

That was never in question, but as you said this complaint about Yahir Jones and the player Kyres1 who'd I'd like to respond first and explain everything before judging.

And regarding the canonity thing, I'll be frank I'm not sure myself and while I phrased it as a fact it was completely my own personal opinion on how it should work.

But I assume you should be the only factual editor of your own character and his interaction, otherwise we get people who'll claim your own character is dead because they killed him on extended once.

[DatBerry]

Just popping in to clarify some things.

 

All events of conflict will be considered canon unless otherwise agreed upon by both parties or spurred by a round antagonist-related action. Duty Officer involvement may result in a specific conflict being made canon regardless of player agreement, as seen fit. This still does not exempt you from rules on metagaming - your character does not acquire knowledge of syndicate items, xenos, etc. simply because they have interacted with them in previous rounds.

Is in the rules, but so is

Character deaths and antagonist actions are generally assumed to be non-canon, though this can be worked around if done sensibly.

 

So all the shit you pull sans getting yourself and/or others killed is canon if no antags are related to the incident.

[kyres1]

Reason for complaint: I have had multiple negative interactions with Yahir Jones that usually have me be extremely uncomfortable after the affair. The character seems to be defined almost entirely by his sexuality, which he takes great pains to flaunt at other people. It's come off as awkward at best and ERP baiting at worst. Whenever he has interactions with my characters he makes it a point to hit on them and continues to do so even when asked to stop or insulted. I didn't know if it was just me so I asked other people Yahir interacted with and received similar concerns.

 

When he's an antagonist he has neglected his antagonist goals to make secondary objectives that revolve around slashfiction behaviors. He's used dominate to force people to perform humiliating acts like proclaim their love for him, or kiss people. There is an account where when he was a raider he let in a bunch of miners on the raider ship and dressed them up in dresses, talking about how cute they were. The entire time his ally was dying in the airlock screaming for his help, and Yahir continued to ignore him to play dress up dolls with miners. His ally managed to enter the ship and was so mad he killed Yahir.

 

Literally none of this has happened. The account where the "bunch of miners" entered the raider ship was when a single miner in an industrial RIG entered the skipjack and showed no signs of hostility. This was the same woman who was bragging about her possession of hardsuit plasma cutters, a thermal drill and more all ten minutes before hand. It is also the same woman I had no faith in to actually roleplay fear of a shotgun, so of course I wasn't going to kill her. "Dress up" never happened. She was in a massive obnoxious looking dress staring at me as I talked to her about how my team was idiots but I would remain loyal. Afterwhich, the vox (who was not screaming for help. they were screaming in their native vox language and didn't look mortally wounded at all) came inside on his own avail after making it seem like he couldn't enter, and proceeded to reccomend I attempt capturing the miner with the incredibly powerful hardsuit. With... our single combat shotgun, and no armor. Needless to say I tried reccomending him otherwise but I assumed it was just Vox stupidity ICly which led to the player killing me. I was content with that, but clearly there was something else going on there. I have absolutely no idea why I would be considered to be playing "dress up" with miners on the ship.

On that note, the miner was Mackenzie Groncko if that's how you spell it. I don't know who their player is. They're essentially Serena Jonson 2.0.

Furthermore, "neglecting antagonist goals" is something I've never done. I've always put the fun of the crew first and foremost before the fun of the antagonist and I've made that very clear in AOOC before every single mixed round begins. If you believe otherwise, ask literally any person who has played antagonist with me. Antagonist goals are the fun of the crew and perpetuation of roleplay through conflict. It's why Cult is often frowned upon - because antagonists will go to just about any length, even murderboning, to achieve their goal of summoning Nar-Sie with the thought that they need to "win".

 

There was also recently a complaint on him having borderline BDSM ERP on server and this has NOT improved since that complaint.

This was not a complaint. This was a warning that I've since toned down from. The previous complaint was about me stuffing a space piano in the super matter. That doesn't make a very good impression either, but hey, it's a complaint and I'm not a liar.

 

Last wednesday when I was cultist jawdat, I approached him in medical and began reciting a list of why his life sucks and his only friends are in the cult yadda yadda. He responds to the accusation of having no friends by listing off his sexual partners. It started to get really weird... So I prompted a fight and killed him.

Of course it has to go back to "sexual" partners. No, what I did was list off my closest friends and then my friends sequentially because this was a sudden question given to me by a person I barely knew who happened to be my superior. Sex had literally no role here, and it's funny, because I honestly thought Jackboot handled the situation very well with my framing ICly.

 

I have also seen Yahir Jones in the brig a LOT as a non-antagonist. In general they are an immature and unrealistic character that repeatedly toes the line of acceptability. I do not want to try to deal with this IC because I do not want to have to deal with the uncomfortable fact that when you really look at it Yahir Jones is a walking sexual predator, and that's not something I feel like going through IC'ly because it's not reasonable to have on the station or server. I know that probably isn't the intention of the player but his frequent sexual and romantic advances on everything that crosses his path makes me unwilling to board when he's present and when I'm an antagonist I know I can't get physically violent with him because almost every time he makes it really weird.

 

This fact has made me stop ticking antagonist as Yahir a lot. I won't lie, I land antag a LOT and my varying results has skewed the character in general. It's very common to see Yahir the center of attention over radio when he really shouldn't be, because people think he's "up to no good" when he could literally be sitting in the foyer talking to someone. I would say that this is because of an over arcing metagrudge against him, but I honestly can't blame it if I get traitor/ling/cultist/rev/headrev/loyalist every round. It is namely why I've moved to different characters and tried toning Yahir down. The intention was never to grab attention.

 

Playing with Yahir Jones around is uncomfortable and makes many negative experiences, and I'd like it reviewed in an OOC manner.

It has been. TrickingTrapster is a person I've roleplayed with (in fact, they're very central to a story arc between a lot of engineering staff as Yumi Yotin) and has been slapping me on the wrist along the way. They have also issued a warning previously for, you know it, borderline ERP.

If I'll be honest, the situation here is similar with Kaed's previous complaint. Not to attack Kaed in any direct manner - in fact I admire his characters after having actually roleplayed with them. But the complaint was based around first impressions. I have very rarely roleplayed with JackBoot and know absolutely nothing about his characters. The few interactions I've had with Jawdat have been when he was an antagonist, and I can only note two.

 

I was told that people involved had to agree to call it non-canon otherwise you have one person who remembers arresting someone (without antags involved, otherwise it would have been noncanon by default) and someone who declares every arrest on him noncanon so he has a clean record despite being in the brig every shift. If it's not true, I don't see the point in having briggings recorded in the first place.

That's not the point though. Yahir Jones is not someone that would be here, on account of flirting/borderline sexually harassing everyone constantly, as well as the fact he can hardly seem to go a shift without being arrested. If we are going to file an IR about him being arrested every shift and harassing people constantly, then we would have to consider all these canon. This would then mean we'd forgo the IR entirely and go right to charges because there's no point in filing an IR against someone who does something blatantly illegal anyway. Do you see then why this should be handled OOC?

 

A lot of the interaction Yahir has is canon but as I said it's hard to judge any more with how common he gets antag. Like I said I've moved to different characters and unticked antag as him to help remedy the problem of CONSTANT STUFF CROPPING UP. I honestly can't blame Munks at this point for needing to point it out. The character's behavior has been improving ever since because with the way he acts it's hard to believe he could maintain employment. You'll also notice the rate of crazy shit being built in maintenance by him has gone down drastically.

 

Aurora is a SFW server and while an innuendo here or there is funny and we've had quite a few "trap" character they've all had enough restraint in them to make one or two jokes per month.

On the other hand playing a walking innuendo is on the brink of acceptable, I'll withhold my judgement until [mention]kyres1[/mention] responds.

Correct. And I'll say that time and time again I've toned it down and heeded to criticism, and at this point he might as well be a completely different character from the walking meme in which he started. The character is nigh two years old and conveniently, his first major interaction was with none other than Mikhail, someone whose player was apparently banned for ERP long ago by what I've heard.

In short, much of the interaction I've already had regarding the events noted in this thread have already been OOCly handled through dreaded bwoinks or discussion with the players themselves (barring Hive and Munks and Saudus, each of which I've still yet to speak to except occasionally). Conveniently it seems everybody with no interaction with me has heard nothing but bad regarding the subject.

Also, hurricane Nate is going through my area later tonight, so if I don't respond to this subject for a few days, that's why.

[sonicgotnuked]

I can defend Kyres on the points he mentioned and I have interacted with him as a antag, as a normal crew member, and with him as a antag. He does get antag a lot as Yahir. Yahir is the Kalla of research (back when I used to play her anyway), or maybe Sophie Rifle of security before they became HoS.

I generally see nothing that wrong and they have toned down reflecting on it.

[Scheveningen]

Huh. Wonder what was with the accusations outlined in the OP then.

[mention]Senpai Jackboot[/mention] You're kinda required to provide proof via a round ID or actual logs for us to use. There have been a lot of conflux/cult rounds this past week, especially considering the severity of these accusations which are starting to sound dubious at best.

[Mcspizzy]

I stand by what nuke and kryes1 have said. I have yet to see jones as an antag not creating drive to the round. HOWEVER, i will say that jones's sexual advances on the crew are frequent and in some cases unwarranted or random. This behavior though, i have seen diminish. I assume kryes had taken note of the reception of his actions and had himself tone them down.

I can even vouch for this if it is the case, as my character mandy had (and still is, kinda) been a frequent target for these actions to be deployed on. Since then, i have seen this behavior be a bit more tame. I second nuke on the only punishment (if any is warranted.) be a staff member ask them to tone it down.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I'm more focused on their sexual advances and rampant flirtation more than I am about their ability to roleplay as an antagonist, though the former impacts the latter. Every single person in this thread have cited incidents of sexual harassment from Yahir Jones even if they are defending his ability to roleplay an antagonist or provide otherwise good roleplay. I don't understand how this could not be enough to consider it problematic behavior. I suppose it will be up to Coalf since he is managing the complaint.

Delta has said they just got the round ID and have the log and they declined to let me screenshot logs of the incident in medbay. I don't make it a habit to screenshot problematic incidents as they happen, so the rest of these incidents cited are going to rely on testimony.

I am not asking for kyres to be banned, this complaint is bringing to light the well established issues Yahir has with many players, and discussing these concerns in a transparent way.

I will ask others who cited negative experiences if they can remember the date and times in question and ask if they want to post their testimony here.

 

I recall hearing in OOC not long ago that it's supposed to technically be against the rules to constantly wipe your recorded security incidents from when you were nonantag

 

That is extremely poor form, though I don't think it is explicitly against the rules. There's a lot of confusion about that in this thread so I would have to ask [mention]Sharp[/mention] for a firm answer on the issue. However, that's probably a separate issue? If there's concrete evidence we could expand this to be a general complaint?? Again, I started just laser focused on the ERP baiting and endless sexual harrassment.

[mention]sonicgotnuked[/mention] how did Nasser respond to the ass slapping? Does Yahir Jones do that stuff often? Do they come onto your Tajara a lot? How does your Tajara respond to the advances?

[Scheveningen]

Oh. So that's the context.

 

[09:53:39] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) You have no buddies.
[09:53:46] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Kyres1/(Yahir Jones) : (Ceti Basic) I - I do!
[09:54:00] bQM-bhy0 EMOTE: Yahir Jones/Kyres1 : <B>Yahir Jones</B> crosses his arms.
[09:54:05] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Kyres1/(Yahir Jones) : (Ceti Basic) I have plenty of buddies!
[09:54:07] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) Everryone else has to  as well.
[09:54:09] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) PRrretend.
[09:54:14] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) You know, deep down, that they dont mean it.
[09:54:37] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Kyres1/(Yahir Jones) : (Ceti Basic) I think I know who means friendship and who doesn't.
[09:54:54] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) You haven't felt genuine connection with anotherr perrrson in a long, long, time, have you?
[09:55:18] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Kyres1/(Yahir Jones) : (Ceti Basic) Buddy, I've been making chocolate milkshakes with brown babes for the last five months.
[09:55:44] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Kyres1/(Yahir Jones) : (Ceti Basic) Both of which I've gotten romantically involved with, and saved the lives of -
[09:55:44] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) <b>YAHIRRR IS ATTACKING ME</b>
[09:55:48] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Kyres1/(Yahir Jones) : (Ceti Basic) ... a fuckload.
[09:55:48] bQM-bhy0 SAY: Jackboot/(Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat) : (Ceti Basic) Watch.

Then Jackboot cuts himself up with his own claws to blame on Yahir, deciding to cut himself out of the conversation, I assume, leading to Yahir's death later on.

Interesting conversation. Especially the chocolate milkshake comment. How droll.

I think the comment alone should not make a community member deeply uncomfortable though. It's fucking weird but really has nothing to do with Jackboot himself, I don't think? I'm not sure why he's uncomfortable on the behalf of brown girls everywhere though. It's a stupid comment, yes. According to some DMs exchanged between myself and Kyres, evidently they didn't realize the innuendo.

But, no, these comments aren't acceptable on the server, imo. Even if unintentional, it's important for our community members to understand they need to use a filter and think before they post in certain roleplay cases. Unlike other situations with boundaries of acceptability where the lines are more blurred for the sake of roleplay flexibility, this was a case where a line was crossed somewhat in terms of the boundary being set to distinct acceptable romantic roleplay, and inappropriate comments made for the sake of being lewd. Or perhaps unintentionally but they still came off as very inappropriate.

[Guest Menown]

Not as majorly involved here, but when Jackboot mentioned Yahir using dominate to force people into doing publicly humiliating things, these occurred to Muhawir. Yahir had made him proclaim his love for him over the radio, along with several random commands such as declaring a hatred for cucumbers, with the final act being forcing Muhawir to go kiss Lawrence Powers in medical.

Later on in this round, I had told Kyres in LOOC that playing Simon Says with an antag wasn't really fun, as all it did was put Muhawir in a position of public ridicule, and didn't actually involve any fun roleplay, just generally humiliating things. Kyres at this time stopped what he was doing.

Further behavior with Kyres has mostly been a non-issue for me, barring some near constant hugs from Yahir which are most honestly my fault, considering the massive amount of hugs I've obtain from many people as Muhawir (which has since stopped since I now know the kind of things I can expect from this.)

[Coalf]

These people exist, it happens and it is easily in the realm of possibility for such character to exist among crewmembers who are part of what are considered terrorist groups, a species who bullies its own members because of birth, space racists and fungus which sucks your blood when too small.

YET and a big yet.

This server is PG13 and creating your character on the basis of being a sexual predator is very innapropriate for the kind of play we want to create here, while yes plenty of engineering staff seem to have seen the other, better, side of the coin most people see only one and that is the uncomfortable/sexual side.

The player in question has been spoken to about his innapropriate behaviour and warned to tone down it down and be more tasteful rather than acting like Chad Thundercock.

Complaint will be closed after 24 hours, until then it's open to additional comments.

[hivefleetchicken]

When he's an antagonist he has neglected his antagonist goals to make secondary objectives that revolve around slashfiction behaviors. He's used dominate to force people to perform humiliating acts like proclaim their love for him, or kiss people. There is an account where when he was a raider he let in a bunch of miners on the raider ship and dressed them up in dresses, talking about how cute they were. The entire time his ally was dying in the airlock screaming for his help, and Yahir continued to ignore him to play dress up dolls with miners. His ally managed to enter the ship and was so mad he killed Yahir.

 

Literally none of this has happened. The account where the "bunch of miners" entered the raider ship was when a single miner in an industrial RIG entered the skipjack and showed no signs of hostility. This was the same woman who was bragging about her possession of hardsuit plasma cutters, a thermal drill and more all ten minutes before hand. It is also the same woman I had no faith in to actually roleplay fear of a shotgun, so of course I wasn't going to kill her. "Dress up" never happened. She was in a massive obnoxious looking dress staring at me as I talked to her about how my team was idiots but I would remain loyal. Afterwhich, the vox (who was not screaming for help. they were screaming in their native vox language and didn't look mortally wounded at all) came inside on his own avail after making it seem like he couldn't enter, and proceeded to reccomend I attempt capturing the miner with the incredibly powerful hardsuit. With... our single combat shotgun, and no armor. Needless to say I tried reccomending him otherwise but I assumed it was just Vox stupidity ICly which led to the player killing me. I was content with that, but clearly there was something else going on there. I have absolutely no idea why I would be considered to be playing "dress up" with miners on the ship.

 

Ahem. I believe I have already stated Jackboot was misinformed by his report, and corrected it more accurately. With that said, you are now telling untrue accounts.

Below is my summary:

I think he only let one miner on while the others stayed outside but yes she ended up walking around the skipjack in a dress and bunny ears and conversing casually with kyres instead of him trying to take her hostage or anything. he continued to casually converse with her until his ally forced himself in after tiring of waiting and killed kyres cause he was so mad at the misprioritization of yahir/whoever the character was. i think it was the one kyres calls an "accidental trap" but i have literally no name to go off of

 

However, since I've now PERSONALLY looked into the logs of this round, your character actually acted AGAINST the raider team rather than just misprioritized, stalling and buying time while your vox ally was in critical in the airlock calling for help. The reason the vox killed you is because you LET THE miner mosey on in while another miner stood watch outside. You conversed with her casually about kids and asked her if she'd like to go on adventures with you, and when she took her armor off, told her the details of your entire operation, ways to identify your fellow operatives, and your objectives, to take to security, stating that "none of this was your idea anyway". She took this info straight to the AI in front of you. Then, when the vox, requesting medical assistance, he was greeted by you sheltering the miner and stalling against your dying ally so she can make a quick escape, stating "Come, you've got to go". Instead she goes SSD and your ally has to literally hack his way back onto the ship because you refuse to help him.

You state in this complaint that you were terrified of her and her weapons, but she didn't have her rig on at the time of your talk, while you had the fucking combat shotgun you begged the team to let you keep. You also lied that your ally was talking in vox speak, but I have logs of him speaking nothing but ceti basic while you warn the miner that your allies are returning and agree to help her get away while you buy time.

Here are the logs of that:

https://youtu.be/uZLgZG-Xg60

May I ask that you do not roll for antag if your quirk is to sob story to miners and purposefully turn over the information of the operation, compromising the round and gameplay for literally everyone else involved because you want to respect women? And also may I ask that you do not over compensate your innocence to the point of lying in complaints? These things are rather official and while I corrected Jackboot first thing to make sure the right info got in time for people to respond, you seem to have created a fabrication of your intentions that round. Anyone who sees the footage can clearly see you were acting against your team to support a random miner, and you were killed for it.

[Scheveningen]

I think he only let one miner on while the others stayed outside but yes she ended up walking around the skipjack in a dress and bunny ears and conversing casually with kyres instead of him trying to take her hostage or anything. he continued to casually converse with her until his ally forced himself in after tiring of waiting and killed kyres cause he was so mad at the misprioritization of yahir/whoever the character was. i think it was the one kyres calls an "accidental trap" but i have literally no name to go off of

 

Starting up. (ID: bQN-anSB) 02:27.54

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[02:28:41] bQN-anSB OOC: Kyres1/Kyres1 : don't insult my accidental trap

[02:28:43] bQN-anSB OOC: Kyres1/Kyres1 : i'll beat u up

Barely a minute after the server started. This is the only time 'accidental trap' is mentioned during the course of this entire round and it didn't even start yet. I am assuming "accidental trap" referred to Yahir, but I highly doubt Fold the raider was Yahir in disguise, especially considering how neither of the two look alike, having seen Yahir's character setup before. So this was definitely in the context of Yahir and if I might cite "Menown's Law", OOC will constantly refer to traps as some kind of weird joke until everyone collectively gets tired of running the joke into the dirt. Which may be never.

 

You state in this complaint that you were terrified of her and her weapons, but she didn't have her rig on at the time of your talk, while you had the fucking combat shotgun you begged the team to let you keep. You also lied that your ally was talking in vox speak, but I have logs of him speaking nothing but ceti basic while you warn the miner that your allies are returning and agree to help her get away while you buy time.

 

Probably confused, considering the Vox was speaking Vox-pidgin shortly before they murder Fold (kyres) shouting, "I'll kill you, I'll kill you!" God knows I've completely forgotten about my other team members if they went off just to kill people, die without contributing much to the round besides screaming in broken Russian pejoratives.

She was armed the entire time, especially notable when she went SSD. You can see the RIG on her back, right here.

 

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Meaning if she needed to return fire, she would immediately be able to open fire by deploying her suit and arming her plasma cutters/thermal drill modules. Plasma cutters are currently stronger than conventional laser weapons right now, a mild balance issue I might address when I have time to revise the entire arsenal mining has at their disposal. I only recently discovered it after hitting the thermal drill with a dispersion change while playing as a combat cyborg. Irrelevant stuff aside, plasma cutters are quite bamf and people are right to be fearful of miners since they apparently have better guns than security does on Master right now. Which by extension means they outgun antagonists. An antagonist that roleplays a desire to not be shot and avoiding unnecessary conflict does not exactly a bad antag make.

It was improbable Kyres would be able to capture them non-lethally, considering the miner had their hardsuit gauntlets deployed which blocks handcuff attempts. So it would not have gone well no matter how Kyres would have planned it. Perhaps it is not wise to throw rocks in glass houses, considering you yourself died anticlimactically in an hour and a half into the round due to getting surrounded by sec as you overestimated your own ability to stay alive and keep fighting security, so I don't think you really have room to be lecturing people on how they should be playing antagonist, seeing as how anyone, including you, is prone to bad decision-making that leads to antagonist's deaths.

 

Anyone who sees the footage can clearly see you were acting against your team to support a random miner, and you were killed for it.

 

And I watched the entire five minutes and also have access to server logs. No ERP happened this round (according to whatever the accusation was originally, you still told JB this information as a third-party source) and I do not find any of their conduct actionable for this round.

May I ask you not twist context of events that happen to their worst case interpretation in order to get your chance in to ridicule other community members on a public forum as you have done in the first post and onward? Jackboot made a good case against Kyres in regards to respecting boundaries of acceptable roleplay styles and Kyres has insofar taken that to heart in DMs and will modify their play in the future (And if they do not, they eat a ban, it's just good business). You, however, seem to be making it a point to continue your assault on Kyres1, for some reason? Are you not satisfied with this resolution? If you called the shots here, what would you honestly do in this situation?

[hivefleetchicken]

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Bro what the fuck is this reply? Seriously? How is me dying in the round indicative of me not being credible? What??????????????????

I'm going to ignore almost all of this post since it really looks like delta saying absolutely nothing, but I will still reply to the last part:

 

May I ask you not twist context of events that happen to their worst case interpretation in order to get your chance in to ridicule other community members on a public forum as you have done in the first post and onward?

Calm down, or give credit to your old age and grow up. Don't be such a baby Delta

 

Jackboot made a good case against Kyres in regards to respecting boundaries of acceptable roleplay styles and Kyres has insofar taken that to heart in DMs and will modify their play in the future (And if they do not, they eat a ban, it's just good business).

I'm glad that is being done thanks to this complaint.

 

You, however, seem to be making it a point to continue your assault on Kyres1, for some reason? Are you not satisfied with this resolution? If you called the shots here, what would you honestly do in this situation?

I am not prolonging anything, I am putting every fact possible on the table. Jackboot was misinformed, Kyres was dishonest, and I provided logs to mediate it as well as my account of the events and corrected both of them with posts for each. Now what are you on about, saying I'm not credible because I died this round?

Let Coalf handle this one, sweetie.

[Faris]

Schev is part of this along with Coalf.

[Coalf]

Complaint resolved, locking and archiving.