Remove Lethals from Detectives

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

It's serious, and holds true for the playstyle. With a lethal pistol I know that there are severe consequences for using it. I will probably be bwoinked if it is used outside of self defense when I can't run away.

Rubber bullets have a super low consequence for use. I can empty a clip into a fleeing suspect and be fine because they didn't' die.

This was the state of affairs before detective had lethals. The gun was used very liberally. I used it a lot more too.

[Hocka]

What situation specifically? Say someone ran off with some low-value materials and was unarmed, but was fleeing. Would you use rubbers to take them down?

[AmoryBlaine]

5 minutes ago, Senpai Jackboot said:

It's serious, and holds true for the playstyle. With a lethal pistol I know that there are severe consequences for using it. I will probably be bwoinked if it is used outside of self defense when I can't run away.

Rubber bullets have a super low consequence for use. I can empty a clip into a fleeing suspect and be fine because they didn't' die.

This was the state of affairs before detective had lethals. The gun was used very liberally. I used it a lot more too.

Detective should get a box similar to the chaplain. You can choose between the .38 special, or the M1911. I think that'd be neat.

[Garnascus]

On 25/11/2018 at 11:56, Coalf said:

We DID do this already, it, funnily enough, had the opposite effect.

Detectives started acting like security officers since they had rubbers meaning they had less-than-lethal which equaled in them firing twice as often and using it as basically a taser.
Not gonna upvote or downvote this, but I doubt it'll get accepted.

This. It is exactly what happened and i remember it. Pragmatically its probably best to keep lethal rounds but HOLY SHIT if you unironically go "i will shoot more people if my rounds arent lethal" then i think you need to rethink life. 

 

Also its REALLY REALLY funny when new people fire the gun not knowing its lethal. 

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Me: "If detectives get rubbers again I [we] will get to shoot people more"
Everyone else who was present when we had rubbers and knows exactly what im talking about:

 

When detectives had rubbers you could use them like a taser. There were huge angry fits if the rubbers caused bleeding but otherwise it was a nightmare of rule lawyering on both ends. "Of course it's reasonable to shoot the fleeing suspect - 10 mins ago he beat another officer into crit and he was dangerous."

It's not like it gave me a thrill that i didn't get elsewhere in life. It was just....... Handing me a taser.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Marlon Phoenix

[Scheveningen]

In case people still don't get it;

The lethal detective weapon essentially pressures the detective to not use it unless absolutely necessary.

The non-lethal detective weapon enables the detective to use it in much more cases than what they'd normally be allowed to do in terms of in-character justification. They can do it with  minimal consequences and not so bad of a result, so they will. And will likely get away with that justification.

"But it's rubber bullets, it's not the same!" detectives have cried in the past when criticized for hunting and chasing antagonists with rubber rounds. 

Would y'all rather have detectives not have any weapon at all? I can facilitate this if we wish to be totally unreasonable about this.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Scheveningen

[Hocka]

1 hour ago, Senpai Jackboot said:

When detectives had rubbers you could use them like a taser

I've seen an Officer use rubbers in place of a taser, and they got threatened with demotion (or they might've actually been demoted now that I think.) Though I'm going to guess when Detectives had rubbers they were a lot less powerful than they are now?

[Scheveningen]

Roughly the same. Rubber ammunition has always been relatively potent.

[Sytic]

Lethal rounds are a deterrent on both sides of the field. It's for self defence, or when situations absolutely demand it, similar to pulling out .45 lethals from the Armoury. I think it should stay.

[Kaed]

11 hours ago, Scheveningen said:

Would y'all rather have detectives not have any weapon at all? I can facilitate this if we wish to be totally unreasonable about this.

Honestly yes, but I seem to be in the minority.

[Skull132]

10 hours ago, Hocka said:

I've seen an Officer use rubbers in place of a taser, and they got threatened with demotion (or they might've actually been demoted now that I think.) Though I'm going to guess when Detectives had rubbers they were a lot less powerful than they are now?

Arguably the detective would have more lee way on this, since he doesn't get issued a taser.

[Hocka]

2 minutes ago, Skull132 said:

Arguably the detective would have more lee way on this, since he doesn't get issued a taser.

Fair point. I should also point out that I see the point in issuing lethals in order to keep Detectives restrained, I just wanted to ask a few questions.

[Scheveningen]

16 hours ago, Hocka said:

I've seen an Officer use rubbers in place of a taser, and they got threatened with demotion (or they might've actually been demoted now that I think.) Though I'm going to guess when Detectives had rubbers they were a lot less powerful than they are now?

Oh, I know what you're referring to, because I was the HoS that round.

Nah, the issue was the detective requisitioned ammunition without telling me. Not the only thing they did either, they tried to buy a saber SMG with rubber ammunition as well in the same round and I eventually demoted them because as soon as I pulled them into my office they made excuses, shifted blame and never took responsibility.

Average detective player, anyway.

[Arrow768]

As the OP agreed with the explanation given, I am moving this to the archive.