[Accepted] CampinKiller's Head of Staff Application

[CampinKiller]

BYOND key: CampinKiller
Character names: Marc Price, Matt Price, Brian Caruso, Daniel Reagan, B.R.A.I.N.

How long have you been playing on Aurora?: Since 2015 or so

Why do you wish to be on the whitelist?: Always enjoyed playing in a Command role

Why did you come to Aurora?: HRP server

Have you read the Aurora wiki on the head roles and qualifications you plan on playing?: Yes

Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they? Yes. My whitelist was stripped in August as a result of an immature decision made by myself to play a character that was essentially a copy of my suspended character as a form of protest.

Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.

Give a definition of what you think roleplay is, and should be about:

Roleplay is acting out a character who is playing a certain role in a world/story/whatever. This includes acting out a character's thoughts, emotions, actions, etc. It should be about creating an interesting story that isn't just fun for you, but for the people you are roleplaying with as well.

 

What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?:

The OOC purpose of a Head of Staff entails multiple roles. On one hand, new players will look to other players (esp. the head of staff of their department) as a role model, and as such a head of staff needs to act as a role model. On the other hand, the head of staff is sort of like a moderator on an IC level, and needs to ensure the people in their department are doing good roleplay and not being a graytide.

 

What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?:

To provide a great roleplaying experience by being able to make decisions that further the roleplay of a round, and provide the management of the station. They also serve as rolemodels for newer players when it comes to roleplaying properly and performing the duties of managing a department properly.

 

Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau Ceti and how it affected your character and their career?

Well, with the ongoing Lii'dra threat and the Frost attack, tensions are high, and nationalism/patriotism is on the rise. Marc Price is a company man, who owes his status in life to NanoTrasen, considering where he was before coming on with the company. While he has always viewed the Vaurca in a suspicious manner, the recent problems have only caused that suspicion to become almost outright distrust, as his mindset has migrated towards a more "human-first" state. How this will affect his opinions and career with NanoTrasen in the long term is yet to be seen, but in the short term, his views on Vaurca working on the station are not pleasant ones.

Brian Caruso has seen firsthand the blatant disregard for law and order that immigrants have. He spent his last 6 years in the Mendell City Police Department assigned to District 6, or Little Adhomai. Tajaran immigrants and their behavior there has given him a grim view towards immigrants and their behavior. The Lii'dra attack in Biesel did not make those views any better, and cemented them, in a way. He's not racist, but he is prone to take a longer look when searching some, compared to others, based on his experiences. Caruso may no longer have been with MCPD at the time of the attack, but to say he hadn't been working with some affected by it would be a stretch.

What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted?

Head of Security, maybe some Captain with a Captain character, should I make one

Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking:

Marc Price - Head of Security

Colton Jones - Captain

 

How would you rate your own roleplaying?: 8/10. I feel I'm a good roleplayer, but have room for improvement.

 

Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action?

Yes

Have you familiarize yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles?

Yes

Extra notes: Here we are, one month later. Yes, another C&P (mostly). I definitely feel as if my improvements have been evident over the past month of play.

[Resilynn]

Campinkiller has done really well lately as one of our most reliable regular security players. He’s admitted for months that Marc pryce was a huge mistake, and has shown considerable growth since making that decision. And even before that, he was usually a pretty solid member of command.  We all have bad weeks, bad months sometimes, even. 

 

Even as an antag, Caruso has done an excellent job in security, driving the round in a realistic, reasonable, and generally enjoyable way. I absolutely want to see how campinkiller does as HoS after these months of reflection and growth. +1

[LordPwner]

Right, as with Resi I agree we all have bad months, weeks, sometimes we can even have a shit year. I feel like for the most part that Caruso has been a good character overall. And their B.R.I.A.N AI is grand to have around. 

 

I haven't seen any antag play to my knowledge, but would assume its decent. 

 

My issue is the ability to disconnect the IC from the OOC at least from myself. Back during the Lii'dra event, you thought I had this desire to send you away from the Aurora, that just wasn't the case. I was only trying to keep my RP realistic to what was going on based on the IC information I had. I actually quite enjoyed your characters and your OOC me-mes. In anycase. If Campin can balance the IC and OOC, whatever their feelings are. I think they can have their whitelist back. 

[Snakebittenn]

This is a copypaste of your last application.

 

23 hours ago, CampinKiller said:

Why do you wish to be on the whitelist?: Always enjoyed playing in a Command role

Why did you come to Aurora?: HRP server

Not to mention these are lazy answers.

[CampinKiller]

9 minutes ago, ParadoxSpace said:

This is a copypaste of your last application.

 

Not to mention these are lazy answers.

My last application was a copy paste, I was told it was alright to do that when reapplying. If you find my answers lazy, they are true, and there's no way I could express those in any more than a sentence. If that's really all you came here to say, instead of provide meaningful feedback, I'm not sure why you posted at all, unless you are just trying to strawman.

Edited December 23, 2018 by CampinKiller

[CampinKiller]

On 22/12/2018 at 10:31, LordPwner said:

My issue is the ability to disconnect the IC from the OOC at least from myself. Back during the Lii'dra event, you thought I had this desire to send you away from the Aurora, that just wasn't the case. I was only trying to keep my RP realistic to what was going on based on the IC information I had. I actually quite enjoyed your characters and your OOC me-mes. In anycase. If Campin can balance the IC and OOC, whatever their feelings are. I think they can have their whitelist back. 

I really don't have an issue with separating IC/OOC, for the most part. I think my feelings around that time were more borne from frustration than anything, which doesn't make them right. I don't still feel that way, to say the least.

[sdtwbaj]

I do have a couple of concerns with this one, one being how I've really only seen them play security. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the successful heads of staff generally have a somewhat working knowledge of each department, and experience outside of their 'main' department, that just makes everything better. Another thing I've noticed was brought up a bit earlier, a blurred line between IC and OOC. I remember once talking about something I was considering doing when I next played Captain, and Campin threatened to ahelp, IR, and player complaint me if I went ahead with it, which really concerns me as to how they'd be able to deal with things that aren't ideal for them, or how they'd handle their relationship with a captain who did something they didn't care for. I'm also pretty sure they're applying with the character that got meme'd and led to them getting their whitelist removed, though I'm not wholly sure on that one.

And despite what Paradox said, I think those to-the-point answers are perfectly fine, it'd probably be pretty wasted space to make paragraphs for those types of things when that isn't the meat of the application.

also, bro, what is that formatting? how are you gonna format paperwork if you can't format a forum post smh.

Edited December 23, 2018 by sdtwbaj

[CampinKiller]

15 minutes ago, sdtwbaj said:

I do have a couple of concerns with this one, one being how I've really only seen them play security. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the successful heads of staff generally have a somewhat working knowledge of each department, and experience outside of their 'main' department, that just makes everything better. Another thing I've noticed was brought up a bit earlier, a blurred line between IC and OOC. I remember once talking about something I was considering doing when I next played Captain, and Campin threatened to ahelp, IR, and player complaint me if I went ahead with it, which really concerns me as to how they'd be able to deal with things that aren't ideal for them, or how they'd handle their relationship with a captain who did something they didn't care for. I'm also pretty sure they're applying with the character that got meme'd and led to them getting their whitelist removed, though I'm not wholly sure on that one.

And despite what Paradox said, I think those to-the-point answers are perfectly fine, it'd probably be pretty wasted space to make paragraphs for those types of things when that isn't the meat of the application.

also, bro, what is that formatting? how are you gonna format paperwork if you can't format a forum post smh.

Hey man, there wasn't a code for formatting, my paperwork is top notch. I can also assure you that in the 4 years I've played SS13, I've got a grasp on most jobs (except Xenoflora and that voodoo magic). The ones I play now are the ones I enjoy. They are mostly Security, though you can see me playing as an AI, Paramedic, or something else every so often.

When I told you I would do that, it was when you were seriously suggesting, in OOC, that you'd shut down the Sec department as Captain and force them to work elsewhere. While this would be something a Captain could do, I find it to be 2 things:

1. Done in completely poor taste, as you're now forcing people who want to play a certain job to not be allowed to do that job for your OOC wish to have a Sec ratio. (hence complaint/ahelp worthy)

2. From an IC standpoint, a very bad idea, considering that the Aurora is supposed to be a secured research station, and ISD being completely shut down would be a serious risk. (hence IR worthy)

I don't feel like it is a blurred line, in that instance, as when you're seriously affecting someone's ability to enjoy the game, as multiple players who would be impacted said, it becomes more than an IC issue.

 

Bleh, I realized I forgot to address something else. When playing Caruso, I've had to deal with things/people either I, or Caruso, don't particularly care for, and performed quite well. A couple examples for you:

1. Captain orders Security to fire upon and detain (supposed) Biesel gov't officials. Caruso is not about to do that to government officials, and even helps two escape. All IC.

2. A Captain character I OOC'ly do not care for issues an order that Caruso (and, OOCly, me) does not agree with, but carries out regardless. All IC.

Just because you don't care for/agree for your boss doesn't mean you can't work with them. Likewise, I might not like certain people OOCly, but you don't see me going around and not working with them/taking out problems on them ICly.

Edited December 23, 2018 by CampinKiller

[sdtwbaj]

1 hour ago, CampinKiller said:

When I told you I would do that, it was when you were seriously suggesting, in OOC, that you'd shut down the Sec department as Captain and force them to work elsewhere. While this would be something a Captain could do, I find it to be 2 things:

This isn't the place to argue it, but I will say that you're making a lot of loaded assumptions about what I was proposing. Heads of staff should be attentive to what's actually being told to them, as opposed to what they think/want to be hearing, especially as a head of security.

1 hour ago, CampinKiller said:

1. Done in completely poor taste, as you're now forcing people who want to play a certain job to not be allowed to do that job for your OOC wish to have a Sec ratio. (hence complaint/ahelp worthy)

Another assumption, this time that I have malicious intent. If that kind of thinking translates into your head of staff play, it'll be a poor experience for everyone involved. Believe me, I've been down the road of making brash assumptions and letting those guide my thinking as a leader ingame, it usually makes the round and my actions rather ugly.

2 hours ago, CampinKiller said:

I don't feel like it is a blurred line, in that instance, as when you're seriously affecting someone's ability to enjoy the game, as multiple players who would be impacted said, it becomes more than an IC issue.

The unfortunate reality of being a head of staff means that you have to guide multiple players to the best of your ability, and sometimes what you want to do or what you think is best won't be amenable to everyone in the short term. It can be very annoying when a head of staff does something, and someone else chooses to take it OOC and proceed to use it to make some bold assumptions about that person's command, and if you get the whitelist back I think you'll encounter that.

As another aside, most heads of staff will find themselves defending or justifying their actions from time to time, which is a delicate task to take on, especially when something's controversial. For your sake, I hope this theme of making big assumptions and loaded changes to someone else's argument doesn't carry over to that.

[Doxxmedearly]

As you've owned up to your immature and irresponsible "fuck you" to CCIA, Syn, and Abo for the Pryce incident, I will not take that into consideration on this reapplication. 

You took Datamatt's post seriously on your last application and patiently waited a month to reapply, and have been active during that time. This is a good indicator that you may have indeed changed.

I haven't noticed any glaring issues with Caruso, so that's good. 

I still can't say I miss Price as a HoS. But I think you've earned a second shot at command for the reasons above. I hope you've eased off the aggressiveness and are able to communicate with both command and your department better than I remember you doing in the past. But you've been doing what's been asked of you, so I feel it would be unfair of me to say you don't deserve at least a second shot. However I wouldn't blame staff for making your trial last two weeks instead of one, due to past behavior.

In any case, good luck.

[SatinsPristOTD]

On 23/12/2018 at 15:21, sdtwbaj said:

For your sake, I hope this theme of making big assumptions and loaded changes to someone else's argument doesn't carry over to that.

Yes and no. If you're proposing something in OOC that's just down right stupid, Campin has every right to ahelp it, or make an IR complaint about it ONCE he see's it occur in game.That's the actual point of ahelps and IR's. See a problem, have it dealt with. Don't flame about it in OOC. Just have it looked in to by a third party. In all honesty, that's the BETTER path to take. You came to his whitelist application about something he has the right to do as an Aurora player. That makes no sense. Remember that your actions speak about your character, not about the character of others.

It doesn't mean he can't "handle a Captain he has a disagreement with.". It means he see's a problem with something you're about to do, and he wants a second opinion on the matter. The only way to combat RP you think is bad is to have someone else investigate it. Bad RP only ends when someone calls you out on it. Sorry he didn't like your gimmick. He doesn't HAVE to like anything you do man. He's not obligated to agree with everyone simply because he's applying for a whitelist. Of course he's making assumptions. You're a person, on the internet, typing out a paragraph about why he can't have a whitelist because he said he'd ahelp a bad gimmick from a Captain player. Bully for him. If my Captain does something terrible, I dang sure hope people call me out on it.

+1 for Campin's application. I've RP'd with him quite a bit (both Price and Caruso) as Captain, Officer and HoP. He had his issue in the past, but Campin's human. We all have bad days and such. He's really proven he's back and serious about the RP Aurora tries to have. He's butted heads with me ICly as my Captain AND as my sec officer and he's still done beautifully with it. Baseless arguments about how he'll handle something that shouldn't occur to begin with don't belong on a whitelist application. Fact of the matter is Campin's a good player ICly and he occasionally gets a little grumpy in OOC. We all do. Aurora's OOC is about as bad as leagues chat.
 

 

[Wigglesworth Jones]

Posting because CampinKiller has my family hostage.

While I didn't have a lot of interaction with Price, I have had a moderate amount with Brian Caruso. They're a good roleplayer, and while they have had mistakes in the past, I haven't seen any problematic behavior from them after their return. They're pretty cool OOCly too.  I think they should get a second chance at being a head of staff. +1

[ReadThisNamePlz]

Alright, we're moving forward with your trial. 

However, due to your past as a command whitelist holder, you'll be watched carefully, so try not to make any mistakes. 

Trial begins 1/1/2019 and it will end 1/8/2019
Good luck! @CampinKiller

[UnknownMurder]

I knew you were applying to be as a Head Whitelist. For the remainder time, I just kept my mouth shut and stayed neutral hoping that you would change for the better until this point.

Game ID: bX8-c6K6. This is a traitor round with traitor gimmick. As a loyalty implant Head of Security. You just lied to a Research Director. Talia Varick is  @Scheveningen . You intentionally gave Talia wrong opinion about Central Command and NanoTrasen. This can be seen by many that you went against your loyalty implants and smeared Central Command AND NanoTrasen. You just tried to make the situation much worse and that's not really what you should be doing as a whitelist person. You were just let off the hook due to CCIA investigation. 

It's not just only this. Marc Price has done some unquestionable things in this round that should not happen at all. Marc Price decided to ahead and take down Null despite Null saying that Captain is a hostage and if anyone touches Null, the Captain's neck is to be snapped. There was another hostage, Faziah. You showed little to no care for either of these hostages. Additionally, you also showed some terrible command staff behavior toward to Emergency Response Team. @ParadoxSpace & @Irosi9 These actions are going to be an extensive issue with Command staffs. You didn't bother making many attempts to get people together. You often tried to go alone and nab people and be a hero.

I could have made a player complaint based on what I saw but I had decided this is good enough and not give administration too much trouble. The old head whitelist moderators were doing their best to crack down on miscommunication with each other. I do not want to see this again. Let's not put their work in vain. 

-1

Edited January 2, 2019 by UnknownMurder

[Scheveningen]

oh. that's a thing.

I wasn't really aware that he wasn't telling the truth there given there was a very wide array of CC messages to the station. IC went IC the way it did and my RD ended up getting conflicted and started questioning whether or not CC was full of it, because it seemed like fax-after-fax that Aurora was getting relentlessly bullied, to the point where even I OOCly felt it was excessive.

I apologize for not believing CC at face value as I probably should've since they don't lie short of rev rounds. It was just a conflicting position where I had a hard time remaining immersed and patient with that hellish round.

I don't think it was ok to bend the truth as a HOS though, that's not what I would consider very much halal given the implant.

I did feel like you had very little agency in ensuring your officers were reigned in. There were occasions where you were apparently more focused about giving a bridge assistant assigned access over trying to organize the manhunt. I can't speak of what UM states above but some of the mishaps line up with some OOC chatter about what a hellish round it turned out to be.

Whether it was incidentally failing to tell the accurate truth or outright lying, I think that was definitely either a mistake/bad decision, though, because that information very much influenced how my character was making decisions and it wasn't for the better of the crew and in the interest of honesty overall.

[CampinKiller]

Okay, let's break this down. I did not "intentionally lie" about anything. I was getting screamed at by about 50 people, and forgot I'd sent an EBS about the blob. My mistake. However, we were never informed that the ERT was only there to deal with the blob, and everyone on Command was quite surprised. The ERT players (at least, the S/Tpr) acted very unprofessionally towards us, given that we were trying to deal with several standoffs.

The Null situation, the Captain had been freed, according to the AI, at which point, we took him down, as he was threatening our entire crew. You forget that I literally had no choice, because Central Command had ordered us to capture Null or we would all be fired and charged criminally. There was no negotiating because of what Central Command said. Half the reason the Null standoff took forever was because I was trying to decide, from an OOC standpoint, if there was any way to negotiate given the orders from Central Command and the presence of a loyalty implant.

I was attempting to negotiate with the IPC when someone shot a fuel tank. I was also trying to get someone to bring up the body, but a janitor beat officers to it and threw it to them. They did not notice this. Cue the fuel tank exploding and Security firing anyways.

As I said when we briefly talked on discord, I never once "played a hero" or "went after people alone." I dispatched officers in every case, or did not respond unless it was an officer in need of assistance. I was organizing officers, though it was quite difficult with 2 different standoffs (a hostage situation and the Null standoff). Prior to that, I organized an effective manhunt for the Roboticist, and had organized a search and rescue party for the crashed shuttle organized prior to that. Autotraitor is a bad round to judge a head on, especially a Captain/HoS, just because of the sheer chaos that can ensue. This was an absolutely chaotic round, and things did not go perfectly, sure. Towards the end, as everything went crazy, yes, organization broke down some because Security was stretched thin, one officer/FT wasn't listening, and the AI was so busy they couldn't help officers in some cases. I was also having to try and negotiate with Null, and so was preoccupied, but still managed things.

[Scheveningen]

I don't really have any reason to call you a liar, tbh, so I'll believe what you say. It was a very 4/10 round at the tail end there, since there was a barrage of faxes mid-round towards the end. Mistakes and shit happens. The only thoughts in my head were, "If I were in Campin's position, how would the round be different?", imo.

[CampinKiller]

Yeah, and forgetting is my mistake, obviously, but it's not hard to understand why if you look at the round. And really, with that amount of chaos, there's only so much you can do. You have to start making split-second calls because you have several different situations, and things won't be perfectly organized. Hence, why I think the comments from Unknown are not exactly fair (or entirely accurate). It's easy to say "oh you should have done such and such" as a ghost, especially when CCIA was piling on with the antags, in a way, with the orders they were giving us.

[CampinKiller]

I will also say, it is completely unfair to judge my actions with Null (despite the captain having been freed), when I had no options. They wanted to be freed, Central command had given us orders to capture/borg them, so there was no option to negotiate their freedom, considering if I let them free, I’d be violating a loyalty implant’s parameters.

[ReadThisNamePlz]

Hello, sorry for the Delay.

 

We have decided to accept this app. Congratulations.