Aut'akh are coming! feedback here

[Pratepresidenten]

I want to know:

1: How do they cope with cloning and obvious brain trauma. Being as advanced as they are, surely they'll have implants and augmentations not to necessarily correct brain damage, but to nullify(Cure?) traumas. Cannibalizing for parts returned and re-augmenting your fragile organic body with your former parts?

2: What is their technological level at? Are they twice as advanced? Thrice? Im assuming the polar bunkers is an ever-expanding project in aquisition of materials for construction and development, allowing them to continue their existence as they cant really drop on by the nearest hardware store.

3: Are all the Auts fanatical spiritualists devoted to Oss?

4: Are these Ork Techpriests, yes or yes.

[Butterrobber202]

How far can we go when we bully them as real Unathi!

[Garnascus]

16 minutes ago, Butterrobber202 said:

How far can we go when we bully them as real Unathi!

Well if they are literally killed on sight on moghes i feel like you could make strong arguments for throwing mecha reptar out an airlock. I cannot tell if this is realistic and good roleplay or frustrating and bad roleplay.... 

[Alberyk]

6 hours ago, ShameOnTurtles said:

EDIT: Can their limbs be removed by people other than themselves? This is something I would really like to see, and I think it would help even out their strengths.

Using regular surgery/multilation. They have a verb of their own that allows to remove a limb, as long it is not too damage or destroyed.

8 hours ago, CommanderXor said:

Another question, how will vampires work? Given teeth can't easily pierce metal. Will vampires have to resort to tricks to get them to open their cases to get blood?

Yes, vampires can suck their blood.

 

[Alberyk]

1 hour ago, Pratepresidenten said:

1: How do they cope with cloning and obvious brain trauma. Being as advanced as they are, surely they'll have implants and augmentations not to necessarily correct brain damage, but to nullify(Cure?) traumas. Cannibalizing for parts returned and re-augmenting your fragile organic body with your former parts?

I had to make so that they can't be cloned, or absorbed by changelings due to some big issues with their robotic organs. So far they have regular organic brains, and those suffer the same traumas as everyone else. They can only reattach, using another verb, parts that are au'takh made, other robotics limbs would require surgery.

[Snakebittenn]

4 hours ago, Diona Gestalt (654) said:

 

What's the public reaction of Skrells to a cargo cult of self-modifying AI? I don't think they would be happy at all.

Oss is not self modifying. It's a colony management program given like 500 other functions, and only by Paradigms. 

[Diona Gestalt (654)]

Time to totally believe that as skrell

[Chada1]

I'm sure the Skrell still despise it irregardless of being self-modifying or not, infact they probably are inclined to hate anything that attempts to bridge the gap between organic and synthetic as a generality, outliers not-withstanding.

I kinda like Autakh but I'm worried about how they'll be roleplayed. I'll bite my tongue until I see them in action, however.

 

[Pratepresidenten]

5 hours ago, Alberyk said:

I had to make so that they can't be cloned, or absorbed by changelings due to some big issues with their robotic organs. So far they have regular organic brains, and those suffer the same traumas as everyone else. They can only reattach, using another verb, parts that are au'takh made, other robotics limbs would require surgery.

If they cant be cloned, what part does their soul anchor have in regards to continuing their life cycle. Are new hatchlings implanted?

[Snakebittenn]

The soul anchor is simply a connection to Oss.

[VUX]

10 hours ago, Diona Gestalt (654) said:

Will implant section be expanded? Half of sub-fractions don't have their mechanics, it seems (camo systems, wireless connection). Will there be uplink-only unathi implants, in future? Traitors need their nodrop lasers/diamond-tipped bullets

"I am "interested" to see how the lore justifies Unathi outcasts somehow having access to the technology, resources, and industrial capacity, to invent, design, and mass produce what are pretty fucking advanced augmentations"-le lord fowl, discord salt. Plz explain

What's the public reaction of Skrells to a cargo cult of self-modifying AI? I don't think they would be happy at all.

1. Possibly, nobody knows. That basically comes down to how aut'akh are received. I do intend for there to be aut'akh traitor items (and it's tungsten carbide, by the way, not diamond!! diamond makes a lousy penetrator)

2. Pretty much everything in the game is produced out of black box machines. Therefore the only two things necessary for production of advanced technology are blueprints and materials. Materials are gathered from mines deep below the bunkers and blueprints are produced by Oss, which can work through millions of iterations very quickly to produce a workable design much faster than would normally be possible.

 

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If they cant be cloned, what part does their soul anchor have in regards to continuing their life cycle. Are new hatchlings implanted?

The soul anchor does not record their being, it's a communication device. When they die, their brains are scanned and their brainprint is stored in Oss' cold storage for reactivation later (like how some people freeze their heads in a hope for a cure for death). They do not have access to cloning. They would embrace cloning as a second chance if they had access to it, although it's a very finnicky process and you'll need to have all of your mechanical components reinstalled (basically, it will probably not happen on station).

 

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2: What is their technological level at? Are they twice as advanced? Thrice? Im assuming the polar bunkers is an ever-expanding project in aquisition of materials for construction and development, allowing them to continue their existence as they cant really drop on by the nearest hardware store.

3: Are all the Auts fanatical spiritualists devoted to Oss?

4: Are these Ork Techpriests, yes or yes.

2. Their technological level is more advanced in some areas and less in others. They have many scientific blind spots. They are highly focused on producing the most efficient survivor, which means that much of their research is devoted to cybernetics, AI, and genetics.

3. I don't like the word fanatical because it doesn't quite describe the situation. Imagine if your deity was standing behind you, quietly guiding you your whole life. If someone tried to tell you it was fake, you would probably just smile and pat them on the shoulder. You have literal, actual, physical, provable evidence of your god with you all the time.

4. No, they're actually halfway between cyberpunks and fremen.

Edited January 8, 2019 by VUX

[Diona Gestalt (654)]

"Blueprints are produced by Oss" sounds like asking SUNSHINE honey comb AI to make even better blueprints (aka, why R&D departament exists at all, if asking AI to manufacture superfactories for superaugments is possible). Why something like that wasn't done? Or was?

Edited January 8, 2019 by Diona Gestalt (654)

[VUX]

7 minutes ago, Diona Gestalt (654) said:

"Blueprints are produced by Oss" sounds like asking SUNSHINE honey comb AI to make even better blueprints. Why something like that wasn't done? Or was?

I don't know enough about synth lore, but presumably it has better things to do than churn out implant designs.

[Diona Gestalt (654)]

"SUNSHINE’s birth was only a year after the first AI algorithm leak in 2437, and since then its unique nature has led to the construction of an immense space station purpose-built to indefinitely house the ever-improved intelligence. It primarily exists as a heavy duty number-cruncher, with its “artificially intelligent” traits more so being a side project as its creators progressively upgrade and expand its hardware. An average of nine hundred individual businesses rent out portions of SUNSHINE’s processing power annually."

Nine hundred individuals with ability to ask AI about making better stuff, I think, is big enough number that someone would ask, if AI just could churn out blueprints. Or, well, Unathi would ask Oss AI how to make self-replicating nanobotes to conquer the universe.

Why not make Aut'akh use technology of Vaurca? That would give more lore to ants, remove "AI can make new magical technology on a whim, stop, why we didn't ask AI how to control the entire world as Unathi-bound Glorsh" point from the story, fit in with "augment children from birth" point, but would require shortening Aut'akh's existance time to three-two years instead of ten

Edited January 8, 2019 by Diona Gestalt (654)

[VUX]

The aut'akh are religiously opposed to terraforming attempts, as the current state of Moghes is their punishment and they can only overcome it by changing themselves.
The k'lax, last I read, are currently attempting to terraform the planet.

Oss cannot make magical technology. It can only facilitate the creation of technology. The Aut'akh do not have more advanced technology than anyone else, they have only pushed the boundaries in certain areas which are already well-explored.

Edited January 8, 2019 by VUX

[LordPwner]

So... the Aut'akh are Unathi that have closed the tech gap... but.. Humans and other species haven't been witness to this tech before? At least not in the same manners to my knowledge. I don't think personally that NT would even go out on a limb to hire these guys if they are so hated... Say what you will but NT is a company. They are all about image. They may be evil and rich but if everyone says, "Fuck you" and stops buying. They die. End of story. I just see too many holes... This AI, Oss that produces these blueprints to make these Unathi to allow themselves to augment and change their organs.. It just.. seems like they are being reached for. And that doesn't make good story. If you're reading a book and the author is throwing the line out for an idea or topic.. it kills interest imo. It has to flow. This just doesn't flow.  I'd suggest look at boosting our current listing of our species. New emotes. Fleshed out backstory. More contacts. Maybe a fucking massive Dionae showing up. I don't know.. but this just seems like a throw to build off the Lii'dra attack and its not a good one.  

[Snakebittenn]

8 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

So... the Aut'akh are Unathi that have closed the tech gap... but.. Humans and other species haven't been witness to this tech before? At least not in the same manners to my knowledge. I don't think personally that NT would even go out on a limb to hire these guys if they are so hated... Say what you will but NT is a company. They are all about image. They may be evil and rich but if everyone says, "Fuck you" and stops buying. They die. End of story. I just see too many holes... This AI, Oss that produces these blueprints to make these Unathi to allow themselves to augment and change their organs.. It just.. seems like they are being reached for. And that doesn't make good story. If you're reading a book and the author is throwing the line out for an idea or topic.. it kills interest imo. It has to flow. This just doesn't flow.  I'd suggest look at boosting our current listing of our species. New emotes. Fleshed out backstory. More contacts. Maybe a fucking massive Dionae showing up. I don't know.. but this just seems like a throw to build off the Lii'dra attack and its not a good one.  

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Most of your post is very confusing, but I will mansplain a few things.

 

 

9 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

Humans and other species haven't been witness to this tech before?

There's exactly two human factions that would. Eridani, and the Techno Conglomerate. Only the latter is said to have anything like this, and they are far away from Tau Ceti. However, this does not mean that eventually, humans can't have full body prosthesis.

 

 

12 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

I don't think personally that NT would even go out on a limb to hire these guys if they are so hated

Hated by who, exactly?
The Hegemony has no influence over NT.
Skrell have not seen this, they are probably just very wary about the 'Oss' part. Which, they'd be just as wary as the Aurora having an AI lmao.
Tajara have not seen this, we don't know how they'd feel. (They might like some cold-adapted prosthetics, maybe.)
Vaurca certainly do not care about the affairs of others in such a manner, have no influence with NT.
Dominia, we have no idea.
Elyra probably doesn't care.
Eridani probably likes it, even.
NT does not care much about what Sol thinks.

 

 

14 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

This AI, Oss that produces these blueprints to make these Unathi to allow themselves to augment and change their organs.. It just.. seems like they are being reached for.

You will have to explain how it's being 'reached for', as this exists in lore already.

 

 

15 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

New emotes. Fleshed out backstory. More contacts. Maybe a fucking massive Dionae showing up.

What do any of these things have to do with this?

 

 

15 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

but this just seems like a throw to build off the Lii'dra attack and its not a good one.  

What does this have to do with Aut'akh?

[LordPwner]

So two humans factions. Where is this stuff in game as well? Serious question.

 

And from reading through this thread. It appears they would be hated by other unathi, skrell would be a bit put off. And its hard to assume a number of other people may go with.. 'The fuck are you thinking?' Its a large step to take that on.

 

The new emotes suggestion as stated. I believe we should flesh out what we have already. Instead of throwing more species into the pot. Is that a crime to ask? It appears so to you. ((That may not be the way your replying to that part. But text doesn't show emotion well.))

 

It appears to be throwing or reaching for the next 'high.' The Lii'dra was a high in the server's story arc. Something big, something cool and something flashy. This appears to be a high moved to another high. Something techy, Something cool, something flashy. While we might have it 'in lore' though I'm not finding Oss? they are an AI yes? Yet not notable? As stated, I don't think it was well planned out nor it this something I find too.. connecting with what we have. But to say its 'in lore' since its literally just been added is a bit.. far out there. That'd be like Mexico annexing Panama and going, "You're been apart of our union for a long time" or any other logical fallacy you wish to put. I don't think throwing us into another new species with new mechanics when Dionae aren't even finished in lore/mechanics is really that good.  

 

I do enjoy the idea of the species, they appear to be pretty cool. Do I think they should be put in right now when there is so much to do? No. No I don't. If the server isn't careful they are going to end up like Dayz. "We'll have this game done in a year.. all base mechanics down... Oh... three years later... we added... new trees... you like yes?" 

 

This thread is for feedback, I gave mine. You're welcome

[driecg36]

While this is neat, I really do wish more work was done with transhumanism/augments for the other species, particularly skrell, who have augments as an extremely important and prevalent aspect of their society.

I do agree that it makes some sense for this cult to be originally unathi, but I see no reason that it wouldn't involve other species as well.

I may make an unathi application just for this, as I had no interest in unathi before.

[Snakebittenn]

35 minutes ago, LordPwner said:

frankly a lot

 

Two things I'll address.
One, the lore team is not one person. We do not all have the same goal. Whatever you want with Diona, take it up with the Diona loredev. We work in teams, not as a collective consciousness. 
Two, retcons exist. Aut'akh are essentially being retconned in, much as any faction, to a date of 10 years ago in their current state. Oss is, of course, not on the notable synthetics list, because it is not there yet.
To 'other factions', we might work on it. If you want it to get done faster, make a thread and a design document.

Edited January 9, 2019 by ParadoxSpace

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Humans and skrell can receive augmentations. This is the door opener.

[VUX]

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While this is neat, I really do wish more work was done with transhumanism/augments for the other species, particularly skrell, who have augments as an extremely important and prevalent aspect of their society.

I do agree that it makes some sense for this cult to be originally unathi, but I see no reason that it wouldn't involve other species as well.

I may make an unathi application just for this, as I had no interest in unathi before.

They have existed for only a decade at this point, and only now are they coming onto the galactic scene, but they are extremely open to new members from any species, including and especially IPCs.
I don't see any reason why they wouldn't develop or assist in developing augments for other species but that is not going to happen in the immediate future.

Edited January 9, 2019 by VUX

[Azande]

22 hours ago, Senpai Jackboot said:

They are a unathi subspecies. You need a unathi whitelist to play the unathi subspecies. You cannot bypass the whitelist for the unathi subspecies if you have a whitelist for unathi.

Can we apply as an Aut'akh character or must we apply with a generic unathi.

[DeadLantern]

14 hours ago, Azande said:

Can we apply as an Aut'akh character or must we apply with a generic unathi.

I'm not an Unathi lore master but. You can apply for Vac as a drone character, apply for Unathi with a Guwan character, and apply as other special roles inside a species. I would be surprised if you couldn't apply with an Aut'akh.

Edited January 9, 2019 by DeadLantern

[Snakebittenn]

Jackboot says you can apply with Aut'akh, but 'can you wait for them to be playable.'