Slight Adjustment to Drone laws

[sonicgotnuked]

https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/7350

 

Basically on the Do not interact law, it adds an exception to hive bots. Hive bots I guess are considered 'Synthetic beings' It would make sense to allow drones to fight hive bots.

[geeves]

Why would maintenance drones fight hivebots?

[Pratepresidenten]

To preserve the station

[geeves]

Isn't that best left to people who are actually playing the round?

[Doxxmedearly]

Drones aren't allowed to fight any other creature to preserve the station.

Gotta go with Geeves here. Let's not leave this to a ghost role.

[Pratepresidenten]

1 hour ago, Doxxmedearly said:

Drones aren't allowed to fight any other creature to preserve the station.

They can though. The law is just not to interact with any humanoid or synthetic that is not a maintenance drone. Drones have fought carp and spiders since the dawn of time.

If you want them not interacting with anything that isnt a drone, then the laws needs another rewrite.

[ben10083]

"Interact with no humanoid or synthetic being that is not a fellow maintenance drone. Hivebots are excluded."

 

Personally I dont like the wording of this, perhaps something like this instead:

"Interact with no humanoid or sentient synthetic being that is not a fellow maintenance drone."

[Doxxmedearly]

That's my mistake then. I thought it was "no living or synthetic being." Score one for Prate.

In that case, adding hivebots to the list fits the current theme then. 

[Nantei]

12 hours ago, ben10083 said:

"Interact with no humanoid or synthetic being that is not a fellow maintenance drone. Hivebots are excluded."

 

Personally I dont like the wording of this, perhaps something like this instead:

"Interact with no humanoid or sentient synthetic being that is not a fellow maintenance drone."

Ironically, Hivebots are arguably sentient. They are a hivemind. So sentient does not work.

What I think would improve it is removing the period and replacing it with a comma. 

"Interact with no humanoid or synthetic being that is not a fellow maintenance drone, excluding Hivebots."

[Zundy]

Hive mind doesn't mean they're sentient per se unless we're saying they have a collective consciousness and not just swarm intelligence.

Closes the wiki page.

[ben10083]

Someone ask the synthetic lore dev if hivebots are sentient.

[Arrow768]

Well, I really dont like the wording of the law with the attached "excluding hivebots".

[Nantei]

5 minutes ago, Arrow768 said:

Well, I really dont like the wording of the law with the attached "excluding hivebots".

Even if it's an awkward sentence I still think that's preferable to an unclear law. Tons of people barely know the difference between sentience and sapience (If they even know sapience is a thing), so I feel it's best to just be explicit with our intent here.

PS: This isn't me putting down people who don't know that. I'm just saying we should keep the layman in mind here.

[Pratepresidenten]

On 07/11/2019 at 12:51, geeves said:

Isn't that best left to people who are actually playing the round?

 

On 07/11/2019 at 13:49, Doxxmedearly said:

Drones aren't allowed to fight any other creature to preserve the station.

Gotta go with Geeves here. Let's not leave this to a ghost role.

Upon revisiting the thread here, I feel this has become increasingly more sensical to me.

Why would an automated repair system fling semi-expensive drones into something it possibly cannot defeat.

So perhaps it should just be clear cut as Doxx initially thought, and we'll just remake the third law into "Do not interact with any being that is not a fellow maintenance drone."

[Nantei]

2 hours ago, Pratepresidenten said:

Upon revisiting the thread here, I feel this has become increasingly more sensical to me.

Why would an automated repair system fling semi-expensive drones into something it possibly cannot defeat.

So perhaps it should just be clear cut as Doxx initially thought, and we'll just remake the third law into "Do not interact with any being that is not a fellow maintenance drone."

But they can fight carps and such. Also as a note this means maintenance drones can't touch rats either. I also don't figure drones are particularly expensive considering they are extremely simplistic in thinking, and can be detonated with little foresight and minimal access requirements. Stationbounds are way more expensive, but they are totally fine to do all of these things as well, and the drones are honestly better at fighting the hivebots as is due to their mobility.

The spirit of the law very clearly to me is: Don't interact with people or stationbounds. Basically so that drones don't just become MEGA PAI's.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Nantei

[Zundy]

What Nantei said. The point of the law/rule is to stop drones interacting with crew and station bounds. Them fighting rats, carp and hivebots is a non-issue. No one's slamming their keyboards with rage as their character is beaten to the punch to get that damned rat/carp.