[Withdrawn] Peppermint96 - Command Application

[Peppermint]

BYOND key: Peppermint96

Character names: In order of activity:
Genevieve Francois
London Werry
Stephanie Yung
Antag Name = Grace


How long have you been playing on Aurora?: Twoish months? Perhaps less? I'm not entirely sure, as I've played previously but only more regularly over the last five to six weeks.

Why do you wish to be on the whitelist?: I enjoy playing command roles elsewhere, plus I've started playing at odd hours where there are zero command roles active which makes life ten times harder.

Why did you come to Aurora?: I write and RP a lot elsewhere, but took a rather long break. Aurora was supposed to just be a way to get back into it, but I ended up loving the community and sticking around.

Have you read the Aurora wiki on the head roles and qualifications you plan on playing?: ✔

Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they? I've been informed of one note, though I'm not sure if I have more (For clarity, I probably do.). I have no warnings or bans.

Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.

Give a definition of what you think roleplay is, and should be about: I feel like it's just another medium of entertainment/storytelling/creativity, with the added bonus that it's done around other people. So there's plenty of reactive play that you do not get in a book, movie, or most video games. A lot of the excitement comes from the way people around you react, especially when it's in ways you don't expect. Which, in turn, drives creativity to further the main goal of story telling. And then, of course, escapism via 'being' in whatever genre of choice. 

What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?: Two main reasons, really. The first is to help facilitate the stories other people want to tell, by helping to enable their plans. This is especially important when it comes to antag roles and trying to meet everyone halfway; offering an enjoyable narrative to both sides whilst trying to include as many people as possible. So, in other words, avoiding the trap I feel many people fall into and only having command/security deal with antags. A head should be helping to make sure everyone feels included. Then the second reason is to inject a little excitement or variety into the round if nothing else is going on, as well as to be a port of call for in-game guidance if they're a departmental head. 

What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?: None that are any different to any one individual. I think people should, whilst of course finding their own fun, be conscience of the other people playing and go out of their way to ensure their stories also work.

Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau ceti and how it affected your character and their career? Mostly (so far as I can see) increasing/decreasing racial tensions. IPCs, whilst still with plenty of stigma and hate, are becoming begrudgingly more accepted. Though the SLF actions may be hurting this progress, depending on personal belief toward violent protest. There as also been increased pressure on the Tajaran wars to find some form of agreement, with the formation of coalitions hardly seeming to help. Even NT has weighed in, whilst the Eridani contractors no longer see the fight as being worthwhile for their contracts. Due to said tensions and the likelihood of more, diplomatic characters are increasingly required. Especially on a station like the Aurora, with a whole host of different backgrounds working together. 

What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted? HoP/Captain for now. I like the thought of HoS, but I feel the role is bloated right now and enjoy the players as is. Likewise CMO would be fun, but I'm not entirely comfortable with it yet.

Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking.:

Felicity Larson - CMO
Elora Roche - Captain/HoS
Elizabeth Warren - HoP


How would you rate your own roleplaying?: Like everyone else, it depends. I feel like my characterisation is pretty good, but still move toward reactivity rather than proactivity. Hence wanting to start as HoP and work upward from there to see what command is like on this server. 

Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action? ✔

Have you familiarize yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles? ✔

Extra notes: Constructive feedback on the app itself would be nice. I'm not fully sure on the lore side especially; I may be missing things.

[Roostercat]

I usually never have problems with Francois, they are a swell roleplayer. I would like to see how they do with a trial. +1

[Hepatica]

+1 Peppermint is a great roleplayer, and would be a good fit for a command slot. As someone who also tends to play at odd hours, it sucks not having any command staff to deal with antags. I've seen Peppermint in many antag situations, and she always handles it competently and will happily RP with antags instead of immediately turning things into a fire fight. I think she will make for a great Captain and a great Head of Personnel, the latter of which I haven't seen many of lately, so would be very happy to get more.

[Shenaanigans]

I see Genevieve around often and she's always been RPd very well in my opinion, solidly the type of officer who prefers to talk and try to avoid instant laser fire which is especially good in an aspiring command player. So big +1 on the merits of being a capable RPer! Two(ish) months of play does seem like a very ambitious time to go for a command whitelist, in my opinion, but if you feel familiar enough with the game mechanics to begin tackling that mountain then I see no reason for there to not be a trial at least.

[SynysterSparx]

I've interacted mostly with Genevieve on a couple of my characters, and she is always providing interesting and engaging RP. Like others have said, she's willing to work with antags rather than killing or incapacitating them on sight, which makes for a more fun round for all. I definitely think Peppermint should be given a chance here, especially as I agree that the lack of Heads at odd hours is a detriment. +1

[SatinsPristOTD]

I'd like to point out a part of "feedbacks" that always get blown over: How the person reacts to criticism, OOC tone and general personality of the player.

I had the pleasure of speaking to this player over Discord last night regarding a misunderstanding between us both.... and they handled that beautifully. She was easy to talk to, concerned with correcting what had gone wrong, and more than willing to listen to concerns.

Couple that solid attitude with the character, trialing/approving their Command app would benefit this community.

+1

[Doxxmedearly]

RP's pretty solid on Genevieve. Don't really care much for your warden, though. You antag play isn't super inspired and makes me a little uneasy; I feel you're a little trigger-happy. But you seem to do fine when dealing with other antags. 

If your OOC attitude is vouched for, I don't see any glaring reasons to deny you a trial to see if you can handle command responsibilities. 

Do your best to branch out of your characters' comfort zones and interact with new people. Lately I only seem to see Genevieve around the same one or two people. But that can be pure chance; still, very little is more annoying than a head of staff who only hangs around one or two people all shift, and it's been a problem here before. 

Good luck.

edit: Altering my feedback. Had a lot of poor play from Genevieve in a very recent round. Lots of just bursting out at command, constant double-guessing, a fair bit of trigger-happiness, and there was a lot of information presented that she didn't pay attention to. It was a high-stress round and there was a lot of times where it was okay, but for the most part it was like, just throwing plain insults and passive aggressiveness at command. Very pushy, and I definitely got some validy vibes from it. You're going to need to curb a lot of that if you want to succeed as command. Not going to -1 just yet, but it left a poor taste in my mouth and makes me seriously doubt your ability to handle the flow of a round.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Doxxmedearly

[Shadow]

Your trial starts today at 2019/11/16 and ends at 2019/11/23

 

[BoryaTheSlayer]

You're chill from what I've seen so that's already a very good thing. I'll say more when I see you in action as command.

[SynysterSparx]

As Zero Reichard the surgeon, I didn't love my first round with you as CMO. You did two surgeries (the only surgeries, before I died) without calling on Reichard at all. Which meant he wasn't able to take advantage of the situation he created as traitor. I'm not going to give a -1 because of it but please keep in mind you're meant to delegate.

Edited November 18, 2019 by SynysterSparx
separating character from myself

[Peppermint]

1 hour ago, SynysterSparx said:

As Zero Reichard the surgeon, I didn't love my first round with you as CMO. You did two surgeries (the only surgeries, before I died) without calling on Reichard at all. Which meant he wasn't able to take advantage of the situation he created as traitor. I'm not going to give a -1 because of it but please keep in mind you're meant to delegate.

I'll bear that in mind moving forward. It wasn't intentional, but after half the medbay was blown up and I had two critical patients to deal with, I was in a bit of a panic OOC and rushed it all. Hopefully the next few rounds together will be better, as I see how this would have annoyed you ^^.

[SynysterSparx]

16 hours ago, Lemei said:

I was in a bit of a panic OOC

I know that feel, no worries

16 hours ago, Lemei said:

Hopefully the next few rounds together will be better

The next round was! but I had to go after that. I look forward to many more good rounds.

[Hepatica]

After seeing her command characters in action, I can confidently say I made the right decision when I originally gave her a +1. I have seen her Captain, CMO and HoP, and she had done all three of the jobs very well. As Captain, she took charge and, from what I saw, delegated quite well during times of emergency, took the time to speak to and RP with crew members, which I feel quite a few Captains do not. As CMO she did her job expertly from when I saw, though I don't play medical and usually if I was around it was either during chaotic in and out crit patients or to deal with something security related. Despite that, I did see, while in the back ground, plenty of RPing and working well with other medical staff. As HoP, I've only seen them a handful of times, but she took charge when a situation needed it and there were few other Command on, and would still take the time to RP with and chat with crew. A big reason I recommended Peppermint is because I believe we could certainly use more Command Staff at dead hours, which she often plays, and because her characters, RP skill, and competency at the game are wonderful and should be always welcome for important rolls such as Command. I have no doubt they'll be a valued and welcome addition to the Command Staff. +1

[Melariara]

Being told what to do around medical as an intern by Pepperment has been very helpful. I have learned a lot and I haven't felt panicked like I would normally. She is very patient at teaching and calm under pressure. +1

[simfantic]

-1. 

You've often been quick to shut-down antagonist gimmicks, resulting in the rounds to end fairly early. Francois is also quick to disobey direct orders (Warden; HoS I am not sure if this is her personality but I won't go into that). Just to reiterate something from before, a CMO is supposed to delegate tasks and preferably not get involved unless absolutely required. 

[Peppermint]

1 hour ago, simfantic said:

-1. 

You've often been quick to shut-down antagonist gimmicks, resulting in the rounds to end fairly early. Francois is also quick to disobey direct orders (Warden; HoS I am not sure if this is her personality but I won't go into that). Just to reiterate something from before, a CMO is supposed to delegate tasks and preferably not get involved unless absolutely required. 

I have exactly zero idea who you are. I assume you play the surgeon who arrived 20 minutes before the end of a round - whilst on red alert - and made a fuss about me not stopping a surgery in progress (whilst I was teaching an intern) and then decided to stand AFK in the middle of the OR hallway to sulk? If you have an issue, at least use examples so I know what you're talking about. Likewise I'm friends with most of the regular HoS players and I have no idea what you're referring to there; that's not  a complaint I've dealt with before and, if anything, it's an IC issue and not at all relevant. I think this is especially questionable as the warden has no power to issue orders anyway, unless it's brig related. 

Likewise the issue of antags is flat out not true. I've not dealt with any antags recently as I've mostly played CMO/HoP and it's been ninja/wizard spam, neither of which I've made any effort to get in the way of. The one minor example I can think of is when I locked down medical during a merc round, but it wasn't as if we were being targeted - we were simply in the crossfire and it seemed sensible.

So..again, examples please. Likewise, as you referenced the other person's issue, I took that on board and they since seem fine. This is all rather baseless. I'm happy to take on and work around criticism and issues, but they need to be specific and have some grounding to them.

Edited November 19, 2019 by Lemei

[simfantic]

6 minutes ago, Lemei said:

I have exactly zero idea who you are. I assume you play the surgeon who arrived 20 minutes before the end of a round - whilst on red alert - and made a fuss about me not stopping a surgery in progress (whilst I was teaching an intern) and then decided to stand AFK in the middle of the OR hallway to sulk? If you have an issue, at least use examples so I know what you're talking about. Likewise I'm friends with most of the regular HoS players and I have no idea what you're referring to there; that's not  a complaint I've dealt with before and, if anything, it's an IC issue and not at all relevant. I think this is especially questionable as the warden has no power to issue orders anyway, unless it's brig related. 

The surgeon is question wasn't afking to 'sulk' as you put it, I was doing some IRL business due not being required after I *offered* assistance, which you quickly shut down and then told me to and I quote; "Do your darn job." 

 

The obeying direct orders; The shift which Rev was taking place revolving around the 'Goat God'? Where the Warden explicitly told the entire crew to not interact with anyone in the Chapel and Security was going to deal with it, but then you (as a visitor) stormed the location with numerous other off-duty offers resulting in the gimmick to end at approximately 1 hour in, effectively rendering the round noot after the revs had ammassed quite a large gathering. We had a hostage, yet you still stormed. 

6 minutes ago, Lemei said:

Likewise the issue of antags is flat out not true. I've not dealt with any antags recently as I've mostly played CMO/HoP and it's been ninja/wizard spam, neither of which I've made any effort to get in the way of. The one minor example I can think of is when I locked down medical during a merc round, but it wasn't as if we were being targeted - we were simply in the crossfire and it seemed sensible.

So..again, examples please. Likewise, as you referenced the other person's issue, I took that on board and they since seem fine. This is all rather baseless. I'm happy to take on and work around criticism and issues, but they need to be specific and have some grounding to them.

This isn't *recent* news. It has happened throughout the months I've seen Franscious on, it even happened to me a few times. 

You asked for feedback, I am simply giving it. 

[Peppermint]

13 minutes ago, simfantic said:

The surgeon is question wasn't afking to 'sulk' as you put it, I was doing some IRL business due not being required after I *offered* assistance, which you quickly shut down and then told me to and I quote; "Do your darn job." 

 

The obeying direct orders; The shift which Rev was taking place revolving around the 'Goat God'? Where the Warden explicitly told the entire crew to not interact with anyone in the Chapel and Security was going to deal with it, but then you (as a visitor) stormed the location with numerous other off-duty offers resulting in the gimmick to end at approximately 1 hour in, effectively rendering the round noot after the revs had ammassed quite a large gathering. We had a hostage, yet you still stormed. 

This isn't *recent* news. It has happened throughout the months I've seen Franscious on, it even happened to me a few times. 

You asked for feedback, I am simply giving it. 

 

I'm sorry you feel that way. I disagree with a lot of what you said as huge amounts of context is missing (The fight in the rev round wasn't started by us, there was no command present to disobey anyway, ect) but I'm not looking to argue this, especially not here. Thank you for the feedback. If you have further issues, you're welcome to PM me for my discord, or talk to me through the forums to resolve it. Hopefully I'll be able to change your mind.

[Snake2512]

I have mainly interacted with Francois as the Head of Security. This business concerning 'doesn't obey orders' is not actually true, she is quick to question orders she doesn't understand but the moment you raise your voice she complies as you would expect of any Officer. How this even translates to -1 on a command app I have no idea. My character (Khan) has specifically addressed this ICly and I have never had a problem with her questioning his orders since. As it turns out the man in charge has to earn respect before he wields authority like a baton. 

 

Security's response to the 'goat cultists' was frankly inadequate, I was there as well as Francois in the Chapel and the entire round they were broadcasting heinous nonsense, for whatever reason Security never dealt with. We however all remained in the bar and out of the way, not wishing to engage in whatever satanic musings the Chaplain was up to. The line was crossed when Feufer called out for help (everyone in the bar knew them) and so the local bar patrons, stood up, decisively outnumbered the 'goat cultists' and took Feufer back and so one of the 'goat cultists' decided to get stabby. This naturally ended in a brawl and somehow despite the fight lasting for several minutes, Security only turned up once two people were dead and the wounded were escorted out. I'm not sure what was going on in the background but its silly to try to -1 an app because people had to intervene due to how overly loud and comically evil you were.  

As for Peppermint's actual play as a command character it has been swell. I have mainly interacted with their CMO who has displayed an advanced knowledge of medical, has always facilitated RP interactions and I have witnessed her teaching new people how to play which is frankly the principle existence of Heads of Staff (at least OOCly) 

+1

Edited November 20, 2019 by Snake2512

[BearSchwanz]

Every character of peppermint's I've seen so far has been really chill, calm, collected and headstrong, the sort of stuff that makes a great command player and seeing them play as CMO has definitely shown how well it works. RP wise I've seen them try to interact with people of all departments with effort as apposed to just telling everyone to "GeET OUt Of mY mEdBAy!!" when it's valued for the RP for certain people to be there yet still doesn't let it effect their efficiency in the role dramatically. There seems to have been a big whitetide of new medical players recently as well and it's respectable Peppermint doesn't just take the route some CMO's do by just shouting at them or arguing but instead telling them what they can and can't do then making sure they're not in the way. 

As other characters such as Genevieve I've seen a definite effort to train and teach new players as cadets which the majority of people as officers can't be bothered to do leaving it for up to six days before someone like her steps in.

OOC wise too I've not seen peppermint ever start spouting salt or arguing over a round to an unnecessary degree which is a Godsend at this point. 

+1

[Bear]

Saw you playing your HoP Larson as CMO?

Have to be honest I found the command play a bit lacking as the CMO. Little communication with your department as you answered paramedic calls as the CMO. Watched you fighting an antag and battle-paramedic'ing during an active fight with no regards to your safety with the security team while they were failing to restrain someone and as well as stomping on an antag who was on the ground several times. You were quick to assume the entirety of your department's rolls. Don't do that. You're here to promote RP, delegate tasks and lead your department. Don't become your department.

These are several major concerns to me that I'd to like see improvement on in further rounds before posting any further feedback.

[Peppermint]

13 hours ago, Bear said:

Saw you playing your HoP Larson as CMO?

Have to be honest I found the command play a bit lacking as the CMO. Little communication with your department as you answered paramedic calls as the CMO. Watched you fighting an antag and battle-paramedic'ing during an active fight with no regards to your safety with the security team while they were failing to restrain someone and as well as stomping on an antag who was on the ground several times. You were quick to assume the entirety of your department's rolls. Don't do that. You're here to promote RP, delegate tasks and lead your department. Don't become your department.

These are several major concerns to me that I'd to like see improvement on in further rounds before posting any further feedback.

Shall we go into detail of what actually happened? Seeing as you made an admin ticket after all, which we both know was dismissed after holding the round up for twenty-five minutes, I think it's interesting you're now using the exact same thing as feedback despite nothing being found as wrong. I joined said 'fight' at the end when your paramedic was already restrained. Seeing as you were on crit, I patched you up as best I could whilst you constantly resist spammed. When you (obviously) got free, you attacked everyone nearby...got beaten down again..resist spammed again..and repeat. Which is interesting seeing as your complaint here is I didn't painRP. I spent the entire thing backed into a corner until you decided to attack me, at which point yes, I defended myself. I also didn't touch anybody else's department despite what you told the admin involved, aside from to teach the chemist viro when he said he didn't know how to make antibodies. During this, I told him the steps whilst he himself did the practical part.

 

I'm sorry you feel this way and hopefully other rounds will change things. That said, I would like to highlight that the admin who looked into the ticket didn't find any fault with the above, so I'll be honest that I'm a tad confused why it's being used as feedback.

 

I'll be DMing you for further information. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Lemei

[Uaine]

All of my interactions with this player and her characters have been pretty positive. They're a solid RPer and I think they'd make a pretty solid Hos! They have my full support!

+1

[Bear]

2 hours ago, Lemei said:

Shall we go into detail of what actually happened? Seeing as you made an admin ticket after all, which we both know was dismissed after holding the round up for twenty-five minutes, I think it's interesting you're now using the exact same thing as feedback despite nothing being found as wrong. I joined said 'fight' at the end when your paramedic was already restrained. Seeing as you were on crit, I patched you up as best I could whilst you constantly resist spammed. When you (obviously) got free, you attacked everyone nearby...got beaten down again..resist spammed again..and repeat. Which is interesting seeing as your complaint here is I didn't painRP. I spent the entire thing backed into a corner until you decided to attack me, at which point yes, I defended myself.

 

I'm sorry you feel this way and hopefully other rounds will change things. That said, I would like to highlight that the admin who looked into the ticket didn't find any fault with the above, so I'll be honest that I'm a tad confused why it's being used as feedback.

 

There's a lot wrong with this response but I will be concise. Your understanding of the situation was wrong to begin with. You were fighting with someone who had an autochem injector, hardsuit, and was already doped on more pain meds, tricord, and other then you have in your kit while blows were being delivered on both sides. In simpler terms, green man in corner was grey and that is why my HP was rising while officers' was not. Seeing this, you decided to stomp the assailant after officers had already taken them down again not once, but multiple times. You are rp'ing as a doctor. As someone in the medical field I will tell you right now doing that would cost you your job and license.

Issues ahelped there are not the same as feedback left here. Dont pretend to understand the ticket you don't have access too, regardless, moderator action =/= feedback on play. As I even said to the moderator in the ticket, I wasnt looking to see you punished, rather,  a reminder that doing these things are not great. I dont think the mod taking it fully understood the ticket and the round had been going on long enough to the point I wasn't going to go into it further.

Tldr and re-emphasis from prior posts:

-Do not intervene in combat situations as a doctor and non-security command player unless you have too

-Do not stomp people as a CMO

-Communicate to your department what you're doing. Nothing is more frustrating to your team when they stopped to call out and rp the response to see you're already there doing their roll.

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To be clear. This is not a -1. Ive observed you doing wonderful in command roles on other rounds. This is just feedback for improvement any command player will tell you it is hell. These are just concerns of mine from that round I'd like to see improvement on before I leave any further feedback on.

[KingOfThePing]

I have observed your HoP that is now a CMO, apparently (if you changed it, then maybe change it here in the app, too. It's kind of confusing) and what I saw was not the hottest shit in the west, sadly. I'm honest that I do not know any of the characters you listed above so I must assume that you never played medical before and are now trying to lead a department that you do not know. The round I observed (b4I-b08E) was very chaotic and a lot of shit was vented, but as I was spectating you got a patient, a Unathi with nasty injuries. Because medical was vented you decided the best course of action is to get into surgery to get the tools to perform surgery. In the main hallway, which was vented, without painkillers, a sedative or anesthetics. Just cutting that dude open. You didn't even save them, they died, because you were unable to treat an arterial bleeding which you were told by the patient even where it is.

 

I don't want to be an asshole here but you do not seem to grasp the mechanics nessecary to effectively lead the medical department, yet. Play as intern or doctor, learn the role, learn what playing medical is all about and then apply to lead the department. For now a clear -1 from me, sorry.

Edited November 22, 2019 by KingOfThePing