Garnascus

IM READY!

This note does not really make sense to me. You cant use a mechanical augment against magic powers. Especially when the vampire is thralling crew and turning into a spooky ghost to escape confinement.

Locking and archiving.

Yeah i saw your ahelp and thats what prompted me to change it. Alberyk took it and closed it.

Nani the fuck You cant see this? EDIT So, the above screenshot is from your notes seen in show-player-info. This one is from the warnings-panel. No idea why they dont update each other. Oh well, ive removed the warning and documented the incident with a note instead. Sorry for the confusion.

This doesnt make any sense. I expunged this warning when hepatica ahelped. No idea why it didn't save.

They have no business being in maint in the first place.

Voting for dismissal as well Mechanical restrictions are far superior. Allowing sec back into maint just makes it easier to catch antags.

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You both where literally making out in xenobotany. I am sorry but that type of roleplay is not acceptable here. End of discussion.

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Im saying i think its silly that you can cuff a ling that has armblades out.

Could have sworn this was not possible. Extremely silly nonetheless. There is no rational reason this should work.

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As i have said many times now every case is different. These whataboutisms from the archives are not going to help you. I am not going to continue talking in circles. I have explained myself pretty clearly here. Appeal the ban in the future at your leisure or do not. End of discussion. Locking and archiving.

If at this point that is the conclusion you are drawing i am not interested in convincing you otherwise. There was an issue, you pmed a head about the issue, they handled the issue. Thats it.

The length of punishments are of course another factor i forgot to mention. Permabans are pretty rare and severe, they are not generally lifted after such a short period of time. There is no time limit i can give you. There is nothing more i can say here.

Your goal in an unban appeal would be to convince us you will not repeat the things you got banned for. Things that i have listed here. No i just did not know about this part. There is no record of it when i view the thread so i just see a conversation history between you and borya. Regardless it sounds like your own experience renders your original question moot. You had an issue with borya shutting the thread down, you sent a PM to a head admin and they handled it and had it re-opened. Very interesting.

This statement is an abuse of logic. Any system of punishment and justice no matter how small or grand is continuous. There is always a cycle of people breaking the law/the rules and being punished and handled. It is impossible to reduce this number to zero. We try our best and we do what we can, no more. There is no such thing as an OOC ban. There are job bans and server bans. If you continue to break the rules you will get banned. You continued to break the rules. You got banned I do not know why @BoryaTheSlayer chose the words he did and to be honest i am not interested in defending them. I see that you continued breaking server rules. You got banned for breaking server rules. That is as far as this can be entertained That is not what happened. Borya did not "instantly shut down the appeal". He made five separate posts attempting to explain the issue to you. They are, actually. The more rules you break the greater chance you have of being banned the next time you break the rules. There is no hard-line number here like "three strikes you're out". I screenshotted all the notes i believe are relevant to this case. I believe just the things i have posted here are enough to justify permabanning you. It is not our job to be armchair psychologists. It is not our job to try to change you. We are not equipped with either the time or resources to change your personality. All we can do is tell you what not to do. In your case stop breaking the rules. Stop flinging salt in OOC. Stop opening the escape pod shuttle and messing around at round end. Stop being rude to staff. All of these are pretty reasonable demands. If there is nothing else this complaint is denied.

Err....no.... that is not what i said. I will try to explain it better. So, why do we have escalating punishments? The reason is because the overwhelming majority of players are playing in good faith. They make some mistakes every now and then but very rarely are they intentionally trying to fuck with people or ruin other's experience. Thus we escalate punishments in the hopes the behavior gets curbed before they are removed from the community. A griefer is someone who is not playing in good faith and just here to ruin other's experience. The "mike hawk" example i gave is one classic form this individual takes. Thus they are immediately permabanned because its clear they are not here to play. You are not going to be permabanned for saying the wrong thing and being classified as a griefer. While a specific definition does not really exist there are a number of actions a griefer might partake in such as 1. Max capping arrivals at round end "because its funny" 2. Spamming the n word in IC radio 3. Joining as the warden and looting the army to go on a shooting spree So, again i went to great lengths to properly explain my position. You're attempting to use one portion of what i said as evidence that we are inconsistent. You are misunderstanding me. I explained to you we do not BAN everyone who does what you did in OOC. We DO take action against those that we see. Again, notes and a players history are taken into account so someone with a clean record is likely to get off with a note and a "Please do not do this" from a staff member. In your case your record was not clean. Thus you did not get away with just a note.

I do not understand what you just said.

Right, so occasionally we have an issue crop up where we expunge or remove a note/warning from someone but it still remains visible when we search up a players notes with the show-player-info command. This is one of those cases, the specific warning was altered to a week ban instead. There is now a link to the complaint explaining this situation in your notes. I do not believe this changes my opinion of your history as i have outlined in my original post. I would say i have gone to great lengths to explicitly explain away the idea that we are "waiting to ambush you". It is common knowledge that we escalate punishments here at aurora. Assuming no pattern of behavior you may end up with a note or a warning. This can then progress to a 24 hour ban, a three day ban, a week ban and finally a permanent ban. These are not required checks to meet. It is possible for example for someone to receive three warnins and then a week ban or five notes and then a three day ban. It is possible for someone to be skipped right to the end and be permabanned on the spot. This severe judgement is generally only reserved for griefers who join as "mike hawk" and spam the n word over the radio. I will again point to the evidence. We see clear escalation of punishments. No we do not ban everyone who does that. A ban is not a one-size-fits-all. It depends on the person and their history. I can tell you that is something we do not tolerate. We take action against it where we see it.

Alright i am just gonna post what i see from my end. I will post the notes i see for every administrative action you have received this year. What an "administrative action" means is anytime a staff member has PMed you and told you not to do a thing or banned you for doing a thing. So i just want to make a brief comment here. Already from ten thousand feet away i see pretty standard escalation as far as our punishments go. You have a note regarding "dont do this thing" and then a 24 hour ban about a month later for doing that thing again. So far everything looks normal Here is that pod incident i think you mentioned. I do not mean to demean you or anything but it is honestly a miracle you where not banned for this. The administrator in question chose instead to defer the punishment with an explicit note to ban you the next time you do something dumb. This is something we occasionally do. Not much to say here, this was pretty silly. It is a server rule that we must maintain character even at round end. I think it is fair to say that up until this point you could be described as "on thin ice". I say that not as a threat or some sort of spooky looming admin overlord waiting to ban you but a realistic evaluation of your history so far. You continued a particular pattern of behavior and you banned for a week. This is the most severe ban we can place outside of a permaban and a permaban is the next step from a week ban. So before i go into the latest ban placed by @BoryaTheSlayer i want to comment a little on the note @MattAtlas placed here. Out of context it may seem like a "fuck this guy get him out of here" or some explicit note of us trying to metagrudge you. We try our best to punish players and dish out appropriate punishments but as i have been headmin for a number of years now i will tell you our team as a whole is extraordinarily lenient, to a fault at times. Overall i think this is a good policy for a variety of reasons but occassionally we get people who cycle between temp-bans for far too long. Notes like this are an attempt to get other staff to actually read players notes when deciding punishment. The main idea here is there is a point where a player is on their last straw and we do place notes indicating this. Now, on to borya's permaban. Again from ten thousand feet away it would seem to be a logical progression. In a relatively short period of time you've racked up quite the rap sheet. The screenshot you linked detailing the comments you made in OOC where pretty rude and they absolutely are something we crack down on. Nobody wants to look at OOC and see their play being described as lazy, forced or desperate. With all of this together its really hard for me to find any weight to this complaint. It seems to me you continually broke the rules and punishment was escalated against you according to our internal policy.

Ok so can you actually explain what the issue read pointed you to was? You're being frustratingly vague in saying it was just "rules lawyering" and "taking me out of the round to argue". I need to know the actual facts. @ReadThisNamePlz Can probably tell me about it. He did this exactly one time and was reprimanded for it. He also apologized to you. This has absolutely no bearing on this complaint and im kind of annoyed you would even try to suggest it.

As long as antags where taking advantage of the situation as part of their plan then this is fine to do. We do not generally bwoink antags for mildly inconveniencing players for eight minutes.