Garnascus

Locking and archiving.

In my experience as staff for this server the amount of sub-par antags I have been able to punish into a good antag is exactly zero. Its not really an effective way to handle it because how it tends to work in reality is a player thinks up X or Y idea and it just.... doesn't really work that well. You can wax philosophical about "the player should know better" and while there's a grain of truth to that we all have bad days. Antagging is incredibly difficulty and its generally more effective to go back to the drawing board in these cases instead of dishing out a ban. I do not think dasfox's ban history is relevant here because they where banned for ganking, metagaming, stuff like that. All the stuff that is explicitly against the rules. A good analogy here is that type of "play to win" antaggery is TOO MUCH and here we have NOT ENOUGH. I see that alberyk had a conversation with dasfox and i imagine it went somewhere along the lines of "Hey this didn't work try this next time" or something. On top of that they have one single other note on their account since their unban. There is no such thing as "being on thin ice" when someone appeals a permaban. I accepted their appeal because i think they have a reasonable chance of being a good player. We are not sitting here waiting for one mistake to send them back to ban land. TLDR Alberyk's judgement seems to be in line with how we generally conduct ourselves as far as staff actions are concerned.

Only way i will ever support this is if we have a new mode to replace it, something like technomancer or maybe something we create for ourselves. Like a "devil" game mode. As far as i am aware anyone is free to code this.

Sure, why not. Be cool and you wont get banned. Should be lifted.

Aight, its so old ill just lift it no questions asked. Follow the rules and what not.

Alrighty well, you just got unbanned and have a accrued more than a couple of notes and warnings on server. Gonna deny this for the time being. Stay out of trouble and we will see.

What is ridiculous is you trying to claim this is all a joke. Its very clear you supported it. The second we posted proof you back peddled from "I was not involved at all" to "Ok but it was just a joke". There is nothing for you here. I am sure you're welcome on a number of other RP servers. Go have fun on them.

Not gonna happen man. Sorry.

You're persistent I'll give you that.

An absurdly thin defense but I suppose it is really all you have. Your appeal is denied now and forever as is this complaint.

So is this still "just a joke"?

Dont see a ban under this key, did you use any other discord keys?

Cool man

The warnings panel for these forums have generic offences you can select from. I didnt know some of them where weighted differently. Oh well, i revoked it and gave you one worth 1 point. Anything else?

I am not sure in what world you think lecturing us is going to help your case but it is not the world we are living in. Regardless this has gone on long enough. I have revoked the original warning and added a new one that better reflects the problematic behavior of the original warning. This is now considered resolved.

Who reported a player is not relevant. We investigate issues as they come. This logic is just incompatible with any semblance of a staff team. Imagine a player claimed Its extremely unfair to warn somebody over gank when the person that got ganked did not report it. I promise you that if you where "targeted" over anything here it was spamming reports on anyone who said "fuck" and filling our box.

There is a contextual difference between inserting curse words in everyday speech and being rude to someone. Someone pinged you over a joke and you said "i dont give a fuck dont ping me". There are healthier ways to get that point across and while this might be a bit pedantic yes we do warn people over that. I suppose i can change the warnings wording to better reflect this but its absolutely out of the question that the warning itself is invalid.

Sure, why not. Dont be dumb. Ban lifted.

Done.

Yeah sorry man but it being a month old is not really relevant. We investigate stuff soon as we are aware of it and we take appropriate action. Whether or not everyone was comfortable with it also does not magically make something that is against our rules suddenly not against the rules. The warning is appropriate.

Fair enough, ban lifted!