[Resolved] Character/Player Complaint - Paris Fawkes

[Worthy]

BYOND Key: Worthy

Game ID: Multiple rounds, I do not have the ID. It is recurring behaviour.

Player Byond Key: KieranWise

Staff involved: SebKillerDK

Reason for complaint: The player in question has shown repeated displays of unrealistic and near low RP behaviour that does not conform to our standards. The character has a habit of being suspended in near every shift I've witnessed of them so far, and to make matters worse they often decide to go full hostile against any security team and head of security that suspends them. Despite them being ''handled'' IC'ly most of the time, I do not deem this an IC issue, as the character in question is too unrealistic, and becomes a self antagonist more often than they should. Here's Paris Fawkes' security record. A character like this would no longer be allowed on station. The ''Atlas member'' and ''multiple cases of assault against fellow officers' were put in very recently by the player. As these were not listed in the most recent round I have had with them.

 

 

 

Having heard that more people have found issues with this character, I hence decided to make this complaint, and encourage other people to post their gripes.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? I have, I was not asked for my side of the story while doing so, nor informed of any actions taken. Although I later heard they were ''spoken to.''

Approximate Date/Time: It is recurring behaviour.

[AmoryBlaine]

There was an incident handled by Readthisnameplz concerning the escalation of this player.

After being in a brief fist fight, and gotten arrested they escaped from processing and attacked both my Officer and the HoS. They were subdued but because of their actions the HoS had lost a hand from their use of a laser rifle they took off of me.

The issue was deemed proper escalation, but I think it is worth bringing up.

[Gollee]

This just came from the current round, may be relevant to show general silliness and lack of character seriousness.

 

[Faris]

Posting this as a player, since I'm involved to quite an extent I won't handle this personally.

My position of this is that any instance where I've seen Fawkes was as a Head of Security, Khaled Al-Bastaki. I don't believe I've really witnessed their game play from an observer point of view so this is all from playing with them. I think I can say without overstating the facts that most rounds involving this character has either resulted in them being charged or suspended for one reason or another. I can't really say I've had any pleasurable experience with them from my perspective as a player.

Before this topic is raised for me, I'll address it. Staff are generally unable to handle situations they're directly involved with due to conflict of interest and the need for impartiality. For that reason I didn't handle any situation involving Fawkes and myself.

[Kappa]

Well, here I am.

Yeah, you have written no lies. I have been suspended, and this time I was heavily wanting it, to keep on going with the development of my character, although you may not understand it.

You have opened this complaint about things that I have already been punished or talked about. I've got my warnings, a temporary ban too, etc so you are complaining about something has been already dealt with.

Also, I'm evolving my character, made changes due to the recommendation of admins, etc, and right now I'm playing visitor for a time to keep on going in the best way I can with the character.

 

There was an incident handled by Readthisnameplz concerning the escalation of this player.

After being in a brief fist fight, and gotten arrested they escaped from processing and attacked both my Officer and the HoS. They were subdued but because of their actions the HoS had lost a hand from their use of a laser rifle they took off of me.

The issue was deemed proper escalation, but I think it is worth bringing up.

 

You are bringing it up full of lies. Nothing about the fact that you used that ONLY-LETHAL laser rifle on me, I had no lethals while you were inside a reinforced voidsuit. If you are going to ''bring something up'', at least, do't lie.

 

This just came from the current round, may be relevant to show general silliness and lack of character seriousness.

 

 

Yeah, it comes from a moment of the round, this happened while I was drunk (A TALKATIVE CAT made me go drunk with a spell or something like that), and then an IPC Wizard just did a spell that created a fireball that nearly killed a Diona. Hope you understand the reaction now.

[AmoryBlaine]

 

There was an incident handled by Readthisnameplz concerning the escalation of this player.

After being in a brief fist fight, and gotten arrested they escaped from processing and attacked both my Officer and the HoS. They were subdued but because of their actions the HoS had lost a hand from their use of a laser rifle they took off of me.

The issue was deemed proper escalation, but I think it is worth bringing up.

 

You are bringing it up full of lies. Nothing about the fact that you used that ONLY-LETHAL laser rifle on me, I had no lethals while you were inside a reinforced voidsuit. If you are going to ''bring something up'', at least, do't lie.

 

As it were, your actions quite literally made me use the laser rifle, as you kept trying to disarm me and take it, causing the weapon to discharge. Only then did I choose to fire it back towards you. And yeah, I was inside a reinforced Hazardsuit. So why would you sanely try and take on both me and the HoS? It's just more of the same unbelievable behavior.

EDIT: "I was mad at another Officer for detaining me after we fought, so I discharged on him and my boss after escaping, then tried to wrestle a lethal weapon from his hands."

[Sytic]

Hey, person who made the last charge and the report affiliated. I didn't know those actual sentences and reports included stick around on a per-round basis on your record- feel free to delete that actual charge, I'll consider it non-canon if you do because of my error.

EDIT: Admins can still deem it canon, though. Because, admins. Given the severity of the issue, and your previous actions, they may just go "lol fuck no" and deem it as canon regardless. I thought the charge got the point across, but it was too aloof for something that would stick on someone's record permanently, I think. So I doubt I would have worded the first part of it the way I did... although it was pretty funny. And I had to go and deal with vampires at the time.

EDIT 2, Electric Boogaloo: Alright, so I've been told by the folks on the ISD discord that, because it was both in the past and relating to a few more people than you and I, most likely it'll be canon. I'm sorry for the wording on the charge.

[Worthy]

Well, here I am.

Yeah, you have written no lies. I have been suspended, and this time I was heavily wanting it, to keep on going with the development of my character, although you may not understand it.

You have opened this complaint about things that I have already been punished or talked about. I've got my warnings, a temporary ban too, etc so you are complaining about something has been already dealt with.

Also, I'm evolving my character, made changes due to the recommendation of admins, etc, and right now I'm playing visitor for a time to keep on going in the best way I can with the character.

 

There was an incident handled by Readthisnameplz concerning the escalation of this player.

After being in a brief fist fight, and gotten arrested they escaped from processing and attacked both my Officer and the HoS. They were subdued but because of their actions the HoS had lost a hand from their use of a laser rifle they took off of me.

The issue was deemed proper escalation, but I think it is worth bringing up.

 

You are bringing it up full of lies. Nothing about the fact that you used that ONLY-LETHAL laser rifle on me, I had no lethals while you were inside a reinforced voidsuit. If you are going to ''bring something up'', at least, do't lie.

 

This just came from the current round, may be relevant to show general silliness and lack of character seriousness.

 

 

Yeah, it comes from a moment of the round, this happened while I was drunk (A TALKATIVE CAT made me go drunk with a spell or something like that), and then an IPC Wizard just did a spell that created a fireball that nearly killed a Diona. Hope you understand the reaction now.

 

You are essentially admitting to wanting to self-antag as a goal. ''Heavily wanting a suspension'' is not a realistic character goal, and from an OOC standpoint it is willingly self-antagging. I'll quote the following three server rules.

 

-Characters must be believable, and well-rounded. No insane or psychotic characters. No Mary Sues. (Over the top characters, characters who know too much, have no weaknesses, etcetera.)

Paris Fawkes is not a believable character, picking fights he should not. Getting suspended near each and every shift as you have said is ''what you want.''

 

-Criminal characters are allowed, if they are done in a believable fashion whilst non-antagonists.

For characters whose criminal background isn’t known to local authorities, this would mean trying to keep their criminal involvement low-key. Try to find subtle ways to further your characters goals when not an antagonist, and to avoid the ire of security and the duty officers through blatant actions (such as a large scale breakin, murder, etcetera).

For characters whose criminal background is known to local authorities (they have been arrested for crimes in the past), it is recommended that you look for ways to incorporate the punishment given into the character’s roleplay and posting/activity on the station. A person convicted of murder, for example, would probably not even be hired, a character with a background of theft convictions would probably not be entrusted with higher positions, and so on.

Paris Fawkes is already charged with (attempted? Sytic elaborate pls) murder, and would thus no longer be hired or even be allowed on station. You are not exactly finding ''subtle ways'' to act out your criminality either, going loud and full shooty against your fellow officers at the slightest provocation.

 

Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag, but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day. Keep in mind, the more drastic the action, the more motivated your character has to be to commit to it, and the consequences it brings. Unless you’re an antagonist, this motivation has to be developed through roleplay on the server: backstory cannot legitimize drastic things, such as trying to assault security staff because of a bad childhood, for example. It is also very much encouraged that you roleplay out the consequences to such conflict where possible.

The conflict I've experienced with you is not believable. Refusing to disarm completely when ordered to by your head of security and then pepper spraying the officers detaining you is not realistic or sane behaviour. Again, as Amory has said spam disarming someone in a hazard suit with a lethal weapon is once again not realistic behaviour. You are also breaching this rule by using some Atlas/History of assaulting fellow officers backstory to constantly be a major pain and attack your fellow officers when they once again have to suspend you.

I am not complaining about something that has already been dealt with when my most recent issue with you was just yesterday. I have not seen something change in this short span of time.

And lastly, I simply have not enjoyed any of my interactions with your character, as other people have stated as well. Playing an asshat can be done in a tasteful manner that makes me OOC'ly go ''Hey this is a pretty cheeky shit, interesting.'' You are instead simply finding excuses to go greytide.

[Sytic]

Attempted murder falls under the murder charge, and Fawkes clarified his intent to murder the Detective to ODIN while ODIN was processing Fawkes.

[Kappa]

Well, here I am.

Yeah, you have written no lies. I have been suspended, and this time I was heavily wanting it, to keep on going with the development of my character, although you may not understand it.

You have opened this complaint about things that I have already been punished or talked about. I've got my warnings, a temporary ban too, etc so you are complaining about something has been already dealt with.

Also, I'm evolving my character, made changes due to the recommendation of admins, etc, and right now I'm playing visitor for a time to keep on going in the best way I can with the character.

 

There was an incident handled by Readthisnameplz concerning the escalation of this player.

After being in a brief fist fight, and gotten arrested they escaped from processing and attacked both my Officer and the HoS. They were subdued but because of their actions the HoS had lost a hand from their use of a laser rifle they took off of me.

The issue was deemed proper escalation, but I think it is worth bringing up.

 

You are bringing it up full of lies. Nothing about the fact that you used that ONLY-LETHAL laser rifle on me, I had no lethals while you were inside a reinforced voidsuit. If you are going to ''bring something up'', at least, do't lie.

 

This just came from the current round, may be relevant to show general silliness and lack of character seriousness.

 

 

Yeah, it comes from a moment of the round, this happened while I was drunk (A TALKATIVE CAT made me go drunk with a spell or something like that), and then an IPC Wizard just did a spell that created a fireball that nearly killed a Diona. Hope you understand the reaction now.

 

You are essentially admitting to wanting to self-antag as a goal. ''Heavily wanting a suspension'' is not a realistic character goal, and from an OOC standpoint it is willingly self-antagging. I'll quote the following three server rules.

 

-Characters must be believable, and well-rounded. No insane or psychotic characters. No Mary Sues. (Over the top characters, characters who know too much, have no weaknesses, etcetera.)

Paris Fawkes is not a believable character, picking fights he should not. Getting suspended near each and every shift as you have said is ''what you want.''

 

-Criminal characters are allowed, if they are done in a believable fashion whilst non-antagonists.

For characters whose criminal background isn’t known to local authorities, this would mean trying to keep their criminal involvement low-key. Try to find subtle ways to further your characters goals when not an antagonist, and to avoid the ire of security and the duty officers through blatant actions (such as a large scale breakin, murder, etcetera).

For characters whose criminal background is known to local authorities (they have been arrested for crimes in the past), it is recommended that you look for ways to incorporate the punishment given into the character’s roleplay and posting/activity on the station. A person convicted of murder, for example, would probably not even be hired, a character with a background of theft convictions would probably not be entrusted with higher positions, and so on.

Paris Fawkes is already charged with (attempted? Sytic elaborate pls) murder, and would thus no longer be hired or even be allowed on station. You are not exactly finding ''subtle ways'' to act out your criminality either, going loud and full shooty against your fellow officers at the slightest provocation.

 

Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag, but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day. Keep in mind, the more drastic the action, the more motivated your character has to be to commit to it, and the consequences it brings. Unless you’re an antagonist, this motivation has to be developed through roleplay on the server: backstory cannot legitimize drastic things, such as trying to assault security staff because of a bad childhood, for example. It is also very much encouraged that you roleplay out the consequences to such conflict where possible.

The conflict I've experienced with you is not believable. Refusing to disarm completely when ordered to by your head of security and then pepper spraying the officers detaining you is not realistic or sane behaviour. Again, as Amory has said spam disarming someone in a hazard suit with a lethal weapon is once again not realistic behaviour. You are also breaching this rule by using some Atlas/History of assaulting fellow officers backstory to constantly be a major pain and attack your fellow officers when they once again have to suspend you.

I am not complaining about something that has already been dealt with when my most recent issue with you was just yesterday. I have not seen something change in this short span of time.

And lastly, I simply have not enjoyed any of my interactions with your character, as other people have stated as well. Playing an asshat can be done in a tasteful manner that makes me OOC'ly go ''Hey this is a pretty cheeky shit, interesting.'' You are instead simply finding excuses to go greytide.

 

I didn't want to get suspended from the character point of view, but from my point of view. It's obvious that no one wants to get suspended (from the inner point of view of your character), but I felt like it was needed.

The ''conflict'' was something incredible actually. I was arrested for my records, for the things I did in previous rounds, nothing related to that round. I didn't even know that was allowed.

And yes, you are still complaining about something that has already been dealt with cause, as I said, I'm not playing Security with Fawkes anymore (for the moment) since that conflict happened, so yeah, something has changed.

You know? I could have just deleted the character when the conflicts started, start again, but I'm trying to ''save'' the character and evolve it to something better, instead of just deleting and starting again, although it would be easier.

[geeves]

I would also like to add something. Someone that acts like this likely wouldn't be hired as Security Officer again ICly. OOCly, taking up a slot on a very limited slot job is just an asshatty thing to do, if you plan on getting suspended. I would suggest a move away from a Security department, such as a Cargo Techie.

Additionally, Worthy and I spoke to you in LOOC about your character and how negatively we perceive him, which you just brushed off and told us to continue RPing ICly. Honestly, if two people tell you the same thing, it probably means something is wrong.

I believe you have the ability to be an excellent player within you, as you've proven to be quite robust, from what I've seen. We just need to chisel out some chucklefuckery and work on your roleplay, and you'll, in my eyes, be quite a great person on-server.

E: Aw shit, my first time getting ninja'd on this forum. So you did move Fawkes away from Security, that's a good start. And as far as I know, Fawkes sexually harassed the Warden at the time to be arrested, unless this is a different incident.

[Worthy]

You felt it was needed to get your character repeatedly suspended on multiple shifts? Do elaborate.

You were not arrested for your records. You made a unwanted sexual remark to the warden of that shift, the head of security then told you to mop the brig while I looked at your records. Seeing as your records already showed an incident of sexual harassment and even a murder charge the head of security then decided to suspend you, not arrest you, as you were obviously a liability. Resulting this you refused to disarm and instead went hostile against your security team, your failure to follow orders here and your following aggression caused you to be arrested, not your records.

''Not playing Fawkes in security anymore (for the moment)'' For the moment? Fawkes would never be hired or accepted as a security member again. He has vastly too many charges, why would a liability like him be hired again? Behaviour like this does not just warrant IC repercussions in my opinion, it warrants a security job ban.

Simply deleting the character and starting a new one does not ensure for me that the new character doesn't bring new issues with them, as you've already shown to create a character with too many issues which deem them unbelievable.

Edited April 7, 2018 by Guest

[sebkillerDK]

Hello.

I will be taking this complaint, if you have any further stories to share please do so, but keep them to first hand experiences.

[Faris]

You know? I could have just deleted the character when the conflicts started, start again, but I'm trying to ''save'' the character and evolve it to something better, instead of just deleting and starting again, although it would be easier.

 

Deleting a character and making a new one with the same qualities to bypass canonization rules is worse.

[Kappa]

You know? I could have just deleted the character when the conflicts started, start again, but I'm trying to ''save'' the character and evolve it to something better, instead of just deleting and starting again, although it would be easier.

 

Deleting a character and making a new one with the same qualities to bypass canonization rules is worse.

 

Of course it would be different

[Kappa]

I would also like to add something. Someone that acts like this likely wouldn't be hired as Security Officer again ICly. OOCly, taking up a slot on a very limited slot job is just an asshatty thing to do, if you plan on getting suspended. I would suggest a move away from a Security department, such as a Cargo Techie.

Additionally, Worthy and I spoke to you in LOOC about your character and how negatively we perceive him, which you just brushed off and told us to continue RPing ICly. Honestly, if two people tell you the same thing, it probably means something is wrong.

I believe you have the ability to be an excellent player within you, as you've proven to be quite robust, from what I've seen. We just need to chisel out some chucklefuckery and work on your roleplay, and you'll, in my eyes, be quite a great person on-server.

E: Aw shit, my first time getting ninja'd on this forum. So you did move Fawkes away from Security, that's a good start. And as far as I know, Fawkes sexually harassed the Warden at the time to be arrested, unless this is a different incident.

 

The first thing I did after the LOOC incident, discovering the way you perceive my character was talking to an admin (I think it was a mod) about how to change it, and he told me that moving him out of Security, at least for a while, was a good idea, and that's what I'm doing at the moment.

Thank you for your kind words, I'm trying to improve my roleplay level.

And about the sexual harrassment, it's totally incorrect. Although the Warden never reported it, I was charged with it anyways. Actually, we had quite a good relationship, and the same Warden that was ''harrassed'' came to my cell to tell me that she was sorry about this, and I talked to her the next round to speak about what happened..

[Kappa]

You felt it was needed to get your character repeatedly suspended on multiple shifts? Do elaborate.

You were not arrested for your records. You made a unwanted sexual remark to the warden of that shift, the head of security then told you to mop the brig while I looked at your records. Seeing as your records already showed an incident of sexual harassment and even a murder charge the head of security then decided to suspend you, not arrest you, as you were obviously a liability. Resulting this you refused to disarm and instead went hostile against your security team, your failure to follow orders here and your following aggression caused you to be arrested, not your records.

''Not playing Fawkes in security anymore (for the moment)'' For the moment? Fawkes would never be hired or accepted as a security member again. He has vastly too many charges, why would a liability like him be hired again? Behaviour like this does not just warrant IC repercussions in my opinion, it warrants a security job ban.

Simply deleting the character and starting a new one does not ensure for me that the new character doesn't bring new issues with them, as you've already shown to create a character with too many issues which deem them unbelievable.

 

The Warden never reported it as a bad thing, since we had quite a good relationship, so that's why I'm still curious about what made the HoS suspend me.

[Goret]

I think I agree with the others. Everytime I interacted with you, it was leading to potentail problems. When you have this kind of behavior, a.k.a attempted murder, many assaults, I don't think NanoTrasen would even allow you to even stay on the station as a visitor.

 

You felt it was needed to get your character repeatedly suspended on multiple shifts? Do elaborate.

You were not arrested for your records. You made a unwanted sexual remark to the warden of that shift, the head of security then told you to mop the brig while I looked at your records. Seeing as your records already showed an incident of sexual harassment and even a murder charge the head of security then decided to suspend you, not arrest you, as you were obviously a liability. Resulting this you refused to disarm and instead went hostile against your security team, your failure to follow orders here and your following aggression caused you to be arrested, not your records.

''Not playing Fawkes in security anymore (for the moment)'' For the moment? Fawkes would never be hired or accepted as a security member again. He has vastly too many charges, why would a liability like him be hired again? Behaviour like this does not just warrant IC repercussions in my opinion, it warrants a security job ban.

Simply deleting the character and starting a new one does not ensure for me that the new character doesn't bring new issues with them, as you've already shown to create a character with too many issues which deem them unbelievable.

 

The Warden never reported it as a bad thing, since we had quite a good relationship, so that's why I'm still curious about what made the HoS suspend me.

Fortunately, I save the logs sometimes.

[calion12]

Adding my two cents. A while back Fawkes joined as a visitor and another visitor was spewing racial slurs and hate crime. To this, Fawkes defended him and when I ordered the comm link be taken to stop further incident (as captain) Fawkes escalated the situation by refusing to explain himself and calling me a ‘pet’ which got me thinking “how in the blue blazes was someone so openly speciesist and volatile ever hired to begin with?” That will be all, your honour.

[Coalf]

Honestly I do enjoy a speciestic character, I actually very much unironically enjoy having these violent anti-species character on-board as they provide an interesting anti-thesis to this libral heaven of Aurora and I frankly think that we could use more violent cronies like this as they're a nice spice in extended rounds, like a little personal antag for xenos. Thus I liked Fawkes the few times I encountered him.

HOWEVER, if one is to act like this one must also accept the consequences, the amount of suspensions, reports and injuctions your character has received is unbelievable and frankly you should have just suspended him. Now to the actual point.

I was present during the time of the round when you got arrested for sexually harassing the warden, I was the AI which I can't remember the name of as I always use a random name as an AI.

Frankly the initial shock of security was completely overblown, I see more dirtier shit in security radio channel way more often and I think a small amount of bias might have been floating around, acceptable this is what happens with canon rounds, people actually dislike each other over longer periods of times.

Now I remember the conversation went as this:

*Spiders and alert is declared, everyone is issued lethal weapons and spiders are cleaned up now*

Warden(Reed I believe?): "Could you bring the lethal laser gun on my table?"

Fawkes: "I'm lethal, do you want me on your table, wink wink"

Now at this point Altai and Katheryn go a bit, apeshit, hollering about sexual harassment and how the warden feels uncomfortable when the warden if I remember didn't even respond to the comment.

Now the adult thing would have been to say it was a joke, you know the warden and to apologise and instead you bring up raping two cats.

I mean my dude, that is not a human response, someone like that would have not gotten into security in the first place.

So yeah, while I think this complaint is well placed, I don't think "He's a specieist" should be brought up as a point, however "He's unrealistically specieistic" is a valid point.

mic drop

EDIT: Guys the bias comment was meant as IC bias, i.e bias of characters towards other characters not OOC bias of players towards other players please stop ripping my flesh.

[Kappa]

I think I agree with the others. Everytime I interacted with you, it was leading to potentail problems. When you have this kind of behavior, a.k.a attempted murder, many assaults, I don't think NanoTrasen would even allow you to even stay on the station as a visitor.

 

You felt it was needed to get your character repeatedly suspended on multiple shifts? Do elaborate.

You were not arrested for your records. You made a unwanted sexual remark to the warden of that shift, the head of security then told you to mop the brig while I looked at your records. Seeing as your records already showed an incident of sexual harassment and even a murder charge the head of security then decided to suspend you, not arrest you, as you were obviously a liability. Resulting this you refused to disarm and instead went hostile against your security team, your failure to follow orders here and your following aggression caused you to be arrested, not your records.

''Not playing Fawkes in security anymore (for the moment)'' For the moment? Fawkes would never be hired or accepted as a security member again. He has vastly too many charges, why would a liability like him be hired again? Behaviour like this does not just warrant IC repercussions in my opinion, it warrants a security job ban.

Simply deleting the character and starting a new one does not ensure for me that the new character doesn't bring new issues with them, as you've already shown to create a character with too many issues which deem them unbelievable.

 

The Warden never reported it as a bad thing, since we had quite a good relationship, so that's why I'm still curious about what made the HoS suspend me.

Fortunately, I save the logs sometimes.

 

If you could show the whole log, we would be able to see that we were taking about MY RECORDS (cause I had a previous sexual harrassment charge, related to Lilium)

But again, then why did Rylee come to my Cell to tell me that she was sorry if any of that was her fault?

[Kappa]

Honestly I do enjoy a speciestic character, I actually very much unironically enjoy having these violent anti-species character on-board as they provide an interesting anti-thesis to this libral heaven of Aurora and I frankly think that we could use more violent cronies like this as they're a nice spice in extended rounds, like a little personal antag for xenos. Thus I liked Fawkes the few times I encountered him.

HOWEVER, if one is to act like this one must also accept the consequences, the amount of suspensions, reports and injuctions your character has received is unbelievable and frankly you should have just suspended him. Now to the actual point.

I was present during the time of the round when you got arrested for sexually harassing the warden, I was the AI which I can't remember the name of as I always use a random name as an AI.

Frankly the initial shock of security was completely overblown, I see more dirtier shit in security radio channel way more often and I think a small amount of bias might have been floating around, acceptable this is what happens with canon rounds, people actually dislike each other over longer periods of times.

Now I remember the conversation went as this:

*Spiders and alert is declared, everyone is issued lethal weapons and spiders are cleaned up now*

Warden(Reed I believe?): "Could you bring the lethal laser gun on my table?"

Fawkes: "I'm lethal, do you want me on your table, wink wink"

Now at this point Altai and Katheryn go a bit, apeshit, hollering about sexual harassment and how the warden feels uncomfortable when the warden if I remember didn't even respond to the comment.

Now the adult thing would have been to say it was a joke, you know the warden and to apologise and instead you bring up raping two cats.

I mean my dude, that is not a human response, someone like that would have not gotten into security in the first place.

So yeah, while I think this complaint is well placed, I don't think "He's a specieist" should be brought up as a point, however "He's unrealistically specieistic" is a valid point.

mic drop

EDIT: Guys the bias comment was meant as IC bias, i.e bias of characters towards other characters not OOC bias of players towards other players please stop ripping my flesh.

 

As you said, the Warden never said a word about it, however, every other single member, not related to my comment, started talking shit. I thought that was stupid, SO STUPID, since the Warden wasn't even upset about it cause we had been kidding before.

The cat thing was, of course, a joke, wow.

[AmoryBlaine]

The cat thing was, of course, a joke, wow.

 

Exactly the sort of joke that gets you suspended. Which is why you don't tell them over comms or where you can be heard by your superiors or by anyone that can contact your superiors.

EDIT: Please snip the responses, they're getting massive.

[Worthy]

You have yet to explain why you felt it was needed to get suspended on all other shifts, as that is still blatantly being a self-antagonist.

You think it is stupid when people call your character out on making remarks inappropriate for an at work communications channel, and then instead think it is wise to make a ''joke'' about raping Tajara? How could that ever be justified as ''oh yeah this is the most realistic thing my character can do at present.'' Do you still believe you were suspended solely for your records? Why was refusing to disarm fully a realistic thing to do in that scenario? Why was pepper-spraying the officers that were ordered to detain you a realistic thing to do in that scenario?

I can understand frustration, both for characters and OOC'ly. But for the love of God you're playing a 25 year old security officer on a top tier research station who has most likely gone through at least the most basic of training to not lose their shit at the slightest provocation. Yet still Fawkes seems to do exactly that, lose his shit at the most minor things and then escalate them to a suspension. You are supposed to be playing an adult, not a kid that can throw tantrums on a whim. An adult that is supposed to at least show some care over keeping their job. If Fawkes is shown to be this incapable of keeping their shit together in such a short time, how did he even make it to the age of 25 without being in jail multiple times? How did he even get hired in the first place?

Can you understand why I think your character is just incredibly unrealistic?

[Scheveningen]

I think I agree with the others. Everytime I interacted with you, it was leading to potentail problems. When you have this kind of behavior, a.k.a attempted murder, many assaults, I don't think NanoTrasen would even allow you to even stay on the station as a visitor.

 

The Warden never reported it as a bad thing, since we had quite a good relationship, so that's why I'm still curious about what made the HoS suspend me.

Fortunately, I save the logs sometimes.

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If you could show the whole log, we would be able to see that we were taking about MY RECORDS (cause I had a previous sexual harrassment charge, related to Lilium)

But again, then why did Rylee come to my Cell to tell me that she was sorry if any of that was her fault?

 

How is this dude not permabanned from the server

Seriously, I've encountered this character countless (okay more like 4-5) times before and I am pretty sure I've had them personally demoted and stripped of authority like three times now. Unless they keep wiping their own security records, I don't understand how the player doesn't really recognize what's wrong with their play yet. At this point I don't really care, I think he would be better off forced not to play this server.