Garnascus

I dunno man. We have a problem as it is with medical bay turning into "malpractice bay" when shit hits the fan. Currently you're either good at medical and you know how to deal with situations or you are inexperienced and you make things worse. There is very little in between. I feel like this will only lengthen the gap.

So Why are you exchanging one prompt for another one? Wont you have similiar issues? And by doing it you are making it easier to resist the cult and you are allowing players to have different standards of "This cultist met my personal expectations of role play so i will accept". Currently i can stun someone with a talisman, cuff them and remove their headset and then stick them on a rune. If they resist or click no then they die and the round ends for them unless they become a construct. That is actually a good thing. We still have players who resist and ghost out of spite but at least they are no longer playing in the round. Its unhealthy for the game. Every player has different standards that they expect the antag to meet. In the process you describe they have a greater ability to resist. You do not get to fuck the antag over because they didnt meet your personal expectations. I dont think there is any redeeming quality to a "do you want to convert" prompt in even a heavy role play environment. As someone who deals with players abusing the feature it is never for "the roleplay". It is always done out of spite. The most efficient way is not the laziest way. There are no glaring and outrageous issues with our word combos now other than "words of power" basically being moot. They do not really matter when you start with all of them. they are essentially spells. It was super annoying to spend 20-30 minutes on a dumb minigamebefore you can role play.

Editing the explicit reason for posterity. 1. You've been given too many chances. Nobody wants to deal with you playing here when you consistently cause problems. 2. you leak private logs whenever its convenient for you. Delta came to defend you in the staff complaint against alberyk and when he admitted in private to you that it was only to discredit me.... you showed the logs in public to shit on delta. Scummy behavior and its not the first time you did it. Biggest case of rule 1 i have ever seen.

All of these tweaks are fine and i do not see any issue with them. you are being infuriatingly vague on the changes you want. Why is sacrifice not useful? Why is conversion currently awful? Why do all murder related cult mechanics require a rework? The onus is on your to defend these positions. I get that you probably dislike cultists kidnapping people and forcing them to convert but this process is going to needlessly complicate things. Currently cultists have to either pull of some gimmick to get people to willingly stand on the rune or they kidnap people slowly and in secret. The former is very risky as it quickly attracts attention and if everyone just says "no" then you're straight boned and forced to go loud. The process you are submitting seems to require the consent of whoever you are trying to initiate into the cult. What if they click no? If players have a more limited option to compel people into the cult then they will be more inclined to take the path of least resistance. They will kill people. I personally am not going to sit around and meet every players different expectation of "Roleplay needed" just to get them into the cult. This will lower the power of cult. Unless the avatar is absolutely broken overpowered beyond even a lich-terminator amalgamation. Currently the round ends when nar'sie gets summoned. It triggers an emergency shuttle and all you need are nine cultists. We do not allow cultists to silently zerg nar'sie. On the whole players are generally pretty responsible in only summoning him when the round should end anyway. I suspect Getting an entire cult team to agree on one guy becoming an avatar will be nearly impossible. This will promote conflict within the team and could even fracture it. This might sound like good role play but its actually awful. You are to act as an opposing force to the station and its crew. That is the expectation of antags. I am horrendously skeptical of this making cult any better and experience has taught me that when an antag team starts fighting among themselves its already over. Though i admit the idea of one guy becoming a demigod sounds kinda neat. This all sounds fine. Debuffs and special effects sounds especially cool. In conclusion you have some good ideas. Unfortunately the main bulk of your ideas seem to be you strongly disliking murder-cult and you want to mechanically disincentivise it. no good for reasons stated.

Not gonna happen man. Sorry.

Works for me. Just please dont do it again. You can be as heated and passionate as you want. theres almost no limit on that in that channel. Just be a butt. Argue in good faith. You're unbanned.

Definitely voting for dismissal. The less things you need to pass a speech check with a staff member to be able to do the better. I think our rules on playing an antagonist already cover the situation well enough.

I agree with syn here. I do not feel we need any policy or regs surrounding the issue and i agree with their reasoning on why. I do agree that the wording on the wiki should be changed.

+1 IPCs being immune to conversion is counter-productive to role play. Even a powergamer like me doesn't want to kill them all. The other changes are honestly a nice bonus. the amount of friendly fire from EMP runes was and is pretty frustrating. I am 99% interested in them not being immune to conversion though. Everything else probably has a good discussion around it if 13 pages is any evidence. Also.... Let me be clear on something. I do not care about any of the IC reasons about why an ICP is immune to conversion IC justification shouldnt be used to push through a change that is counter productive to roleplay. As a result of this change cultists will be forced to kill every IPC they meet. This is sometimes a serious number of the crew on station as IPC are a popular race. That is where i draw the line. Its anti-fun and absolutely awful.

The idea is to provide better freedom to the changeling. They would not be forced to kill people to grow stronger. Now all their kills can be totally roleplay motivated.

Admittedly the results did surprise me. Regardless i will never ever support an entire round being expunged from the server. Even if we trick ourselves into believing "we will just remove it until its reworked". That is very unlikely to happen. Features that do not see general use are much less likely to get reworks or fixes. I do agree that most other antagonists have more freedom in their narrative. A changeling has to kill people to get stronger and no matter what lie we tell ourselves about the roleplay we are NEVER satisfied in dieing. Even if you can find some niche situation where you've been happy with a death you will not find it in a changeling round. They are conditioned to kill silently and without anyone noticing. I am personally completely ok with an antagonist that needs to kill existing but i admit it has problems. Increase their starting amount of gene points. Make kills not reward you with gene points. Lock horror form behind a kill count.

Outside of the concessions already made isnt this the kind of thing /pose should be used for? FT kinda implies you're blasting it 24/7. Even if you remember to change it.

Me too Sorry [mention]sdtwbaj[/mention] but this thread is banished to the shadow realm.

The vast majority of ban appeals are very simple. Anytime there is even a shred of controversy it gets discussed in private in staff channels. The more problematic a player is the more the appeal gets discussed or the more opinions get asked for. I do read them. They are just very straight forward. "i deserved this ban. i wont be a butt anymore" "ok! great!"

Not your call to make. Given the reasoning for abosh doing it i find it pretty reasonable actually. It is really bizarre to me that you think this is passive aggressive at all. This Complaint is invalid. Locking and archiving.

Hewwo I will read through this and render a verdict tomorrow in the early AM.

locking and archiving.

This is basically how i feel about this whole issue. I am sorry JB but this issue is entirely IC save for the AI who was warned.

Hello After closely examining the issue i do not find any issue with sharp or datamatt's conduct here. I think ban is legit and i think the appeal in which netted you a forum ban was also legit. I know you disagree with that but i disagree with your disagreement and it is my call to make. Should you next decide to appeal this discord ban i would encourage you to approach it with a healthier attitude. This complaint will now be locked and archived.

Are these it? On the left is /obj/item/weapon/pen/fluff/zilosnish_pen and on the right is /obj/item/weapon/pen/fluff/zakiya_pen

[mention]simfantic[/mention] I understand this is your AI? You shouldnt be involving yourself in what the CMO is doing with a protohuman to begin with. you also do not know about IRs. They are private between the reporter and CCIA. Anything to say? This is the specific log i am referring to These are the logs regarding the protohuman.

The comparison of this being similiar to someone threatening to ahelp isn't really fair. That being said if your first response to questions is "I WILL GO TO CCIA" thats kind of lame. this whole interaction leaves a lot ot be desired in the way of "reasonable ways reasonable people reasonably handle things". "hey CMO i have some concerns over what you're doin" "Oh dont worry HoS i got this braindead protohuman to show my resident here how to perform some surgery!" "Oh that makes sense! Are you sedating it?" "well no im not since protohumans do not feel pain but i suppose i should since im trying to teach my resident proper procedure!" "alrighty just checking sorry to be a bother!" Something along those lines is what i would expect of people looking to work with their fellow command members. I do not know if those are ALL the logs of the event so i wont comment on who started swinging first, its not super relevant. I just feel like you both could have handled this a bit better IC. Also that AI should have been bwoinked/ahelped about. I do not recall an ahelp about him but its possible we might have missed it.

Any eloquent argument i could make has already been said in this thread. I think removing the gun entirely would be super lame. I also think that if we replaced the ammo with rubber bullets it would encourage detectives to act more like officers. Lethal ammunition is for self-defense. As lethal is your ONLY option you shouldn't be detaining people and those that do can and should be punished.

Locking and archiving

Well i am sorry but i do not disagree with alb's ban. Especially after you just shared logs between you and someone else in public the second it was convenient for you. I do not enjoy telling someone that they cannot play here but is the unfortunate position i find myself in. This will of course have to be coupled with a discord ban.