Garnascus

Alright so this complaint is to contest the denial of your unban appeal and you are also contesting the decision made IC by Doc's captain to let you "destroy the shuttle"? I do not know much about the situation but i reckon the choice of words here is going to become important. Also the assumptions made. Did the captain intend or allow you to have such heavy collateral damage? If not then i am not really understanding where his fault is established here. As for the specific unban appeal i will dig it up and try to pin down why it was denied. I will be able to go deeper into this complaint tomorrow when i am at work.

I think the reasoning on the part of the OP here is very solid all around. When i initially read your medical records and glanced over the "psychopathy" and "PTSD" portion i could not help but hesitate a little. Though if situations like this are how you intend to explore this topic i really do not see any cause for alarm. I suppose one could argue "why would we hire a dude with PTSD" but those are people are butts and i like fun. I think you role played the situation tastefully enough with respect to the rules and your character. I apologize @tbear13 this is not a personal attack against you or your judgement skills but i do feel that the point here is this person's character isn't "normal" . He is a little bit different given his backstory and i think it was used for decent role play. Thus i reckon this warning should be removed.

This. It is exactly what happened and i remember it. Pragmatically its probably best to keep lethal rounds but HOLY SHIT if you unironically go "i will shoot more people if my rounds arent lethal" then i think you need to rethink life. Also its REALLY REALLY funny when new people fire the gun not knowing its lethal.

Decent points raised here but before i give a verdict i would like @tbear13 to post their rationale.

Ill take a look at this tonight at work.

Hello hello you wonderful people. Here are the results for the survey that more than a couple of you took part in. They will be listed in order. If a nominee did not get more than 3 votes they are not shown. Listed here is the top three for every category or the top 4 if there is a tie. Honorable mentions will be listed if theres a lot of different people with decent votes. If you're not listed you only got a couple votes. STAFF SECTION Best Head Administrator Garnascus. 32 votes Voltagehero. 20 Votes Shameonturtles. 19 Votes Best Administrator Alberyk. 18 Votes Thedococt. 11 Votes Coalf. 9 Votes Aboshehab. 9 Votes Best Moderator Yonnimer. 19 Votes Tailson. 8 Votes Readthisnameplz. 7 Votes Honorable Mentions Prate, 5 Votes Best Lore Writer Kyres1, 12 Votes Jackboot. 12 Votes Sleepy Wolf. 9 Votes Best CCIA Synnono. 12 Geeves. 10 Unknownmurder. 7 Votes Honorable Mentions Elliot. 4 Votes Best Developer Burger. 18 Votes Arrow. 6 Votes Alberyk. 4 Votes Skull. 4 Votes Honorable Mentions Lord Fowl. 3 Votes Best Wiki Maintainer Chada. 19 Votes Burritojustice. 8 Votes Funniest Member of Staff Coalf. 19 Votes Prate, 5 Votes Chada. 4 Votes Most Likely to ban me Alberyk. 25 Votes Coalf. 11 Votes Garnascus. 8 Votes Most Likely to Admin Abuse me Alberyk. 21 Votes Coalf. 7 Votes Garnascus. 6 Votes CHARACTERS SECTION Best AI Harmony. 22 Votes Arlo. 8 Votes FLAW. 5 Votes Best Station Borg ORB. 31 Votes Bit. 5 Votes P.A.T.C.H. 8 Votes Most Memorable Character Fernando Gonzales. 8 Votes Muhawir Nawfal. 5 Votes Cassy Hendricks. 3 Votes Uriel Evans. 3 Votes Preston Prestoff. 3 Votes Scariest Character Fernando Gonzales. 11 Votes Noir. 5 Votes Willow Harper. 4 Votes "How did they get hired?" Shane Castralo. 18 Votes Willow Harper. 8 Votes Kelvin Riker. 2 Votes Best Antagonist Character Ripribs. 11 Votes Tin. 9 Votes Willow Harper. 2 Votes Most Likely to Endanger Crew Willow Harper. 12 Votes Faysal Al-shennawi. 9 Votes Shane Castralo. 7 Votes Most Likely to Have a Plan Faysal Al-shennawi. 12 Votes Khaled Al-Bastaki. 6 Votes Fernando Gonzales. 5 Votes Most Friendly to Newcomers Tabi Trekkers. 4 Votes ORB. 3 Votes Nikit Vasili. 2 Votes Amaya Stone. 2 Votes COMMAND WHITELISTS Best Captain Uriel Evans. 18 Votes Raymond Hawkins. 4 Votes Nathan Corvo. 3 Votes Best Head of Security Khaled Al-Bastaki. 18 Votes Erika Silva. 2 Votes Suvek tokash. 2 Votes Best Head of Personnel Faysal Al-Shennawi. 16 Votes Amaya Stone. 8 Votes Bright. 7 Votes Best Research Director Angela Ulery. 8 Votes Observo. 7 Votes Avid'Draa Qorli'Starchild. 8 Votes Honorable mentions ResearchMate 2459. 5 Votes Best Chief Medical Officer Fernando Gonzales. 35 Votes Phoebe Essel. 2 Votes Best Chief Engineer Kuzahradis Ioraks. 24 Votes Mia Parker. 6 Votes Asaar;kalid M'kar. 3 Votes Best Internal Affairs Agents Hallowed Quill. 14 Votes Liesel Metz. 2 Votes Crew Jobs Best Member of Security Cassian Graves. 5 Votes Noir. 5 Votes Shawn Carson. 3 Votes Best Member of Engineering Uwasv Sidanelv. 10 Votes Michael Lee. 2 Votes Monique Byrd. 2 Votes Best Member of Medical Sei Armas. 5 Votes Iah. 5 Votes Diamond With Flaw. 2 Votes Xinic. 2 Votes Hadiiya Nejem. 2 Votes Best Member of Science Nikit Vasili. 13 Votes Robert Bretscher. 11 Votes Natascha Sukhoi. 4 Votes Best Member of Service Anya Orlova. 16 Votes Muhawir Nawfal. 4 Votes Erin Macgregor. 4 Votes Best Member of Supply Cassy Hendricks. 18 Votes Vedai. 4 Votes Preston Prestoff. 3 Votes Station Clown Shane Castralo. 20 Votes Preston Prestoff. 3 Votes Willow Harper. 3 Votes

This is what happens when we allow the station to become a liberal stronghold.

Being a race other than human is basically meaningless nowadays. There used to be job restrictions to reinforce social tensions. IPC are no different. It is so weird to me we allow toasters to be "free" while working for NT.

Right so In closing this warning is getting expunged from your record. Complaint resolved.

Listen, I dunno what the beef is between you two but it needs to not happen here. Or anywhere related to the server. You're more than welcome to block each other or quit it. Unless someone explicitly tells you "yes i am ok with you PMing me if you dont like how i RPed" then do not do it. From the posts done by rosetango and the OP here it seems like they do not want you to do it. So dont. Your IC play here was acceptable. There is nothing wrong with the gimmick you did and i just do not think you targeted rosetango specifically. Locking and archiving.

So when i read this complaint i thought to myself "oh this is easy ill just cite the definition of gank in our glossary an-....". As it turns out we do say that gank is not acceptable in our "on being an antagonist" section but we do not define what specifically gank is in our glossary section. I reckon we appear to be working off of different definitions of what exactly "gank" is as a result. This is a fairly serious oversight that we must have missed when we redid the rules section over a year ago. The working definition that is meant to be used is fairly similar to the one xander cites in that now ancient forum post by doomberg. For reference something like "Gank is killing another player for absolutely no reason at all when there is no need at all". Generally we put emphasis on roleplay and interaction. So we expect antagonists to provide something to their kill targets first. This condition can be subverted if the individual can be reasonable expected to be a threat to you. So for example if you are breaking into the HoS's office and a cadet randomly walked by and spots you then you have justification to immediately pull out a weapon and murder him. You've been spotted committing a seriously offence and you likely have contraband on you that will land you time in the brig or in perma. In this situation xander was being arrested while he has an esword on him. There is a reasonable basis here to expect that once he is arrested they will search him and find the esword. At best they will confiscate it and brig him for more time. This will also place a greater suspicion on him for the remainder of the round. At worst he will be permabrigged and interrogated. This is a gamble xander should not be expected to take. Therefore i do see a good reason for xander to pull his esword out and chop the guards head off. It seems reasonable to me to consider this was the quickest and easiest way to kill the guard. I do not really fault our staff here since its on us for not clearly defining this in our glossary. A mistake that will be rectified. With all of this being said i reckon this warning should be expunged. Unless i am missing something?

Locking and archiving.

Right, in closing i will not be banning anyone as a result of this complaint. I am however going to note the severity of the individual parties actions. The worst being dasfox. I am not saying this to threaten you. I am saying that i will permanently ban you until the heat death of the universe if you show this kind of attitude again. If someone is being a butt just ahelp and we will deal with it. I discussed this with Doc and she agrees with that bans do not need to be doled out. Burger, I promise im not blaming the victim here. The sum of your "fault" here is but a few grains of sand. All that i ask is next try to empathize with how your words can be taken by the actual antags in the round if they see what you said in OOC. Even so this absolutely does not excuse the abuse thrown your way. Bauser, same warning dasfox has gotten. "i was being sarcastic" is a defense that will only work so much. Butterrobber, Already said my peace on you. I expect your apology is sincere and i encourage burger to take it as such.

Promoting you to head administrator remains one of the best decisions i have made in my tenure here. I did not and still do not regret. You and i made an excellent team and i will miss you. Good luck buddy.

The gimmick is completely valid. There is a huge distinction between murderboning and just having a gimmick with murder in it. Only thing i am having trouble tracking is who/when took it to OOC. Did resilynn begin speaking in the discord lobby about this after they died and THEN PMed people about it or was it just PMs?

Well i mean, put yourself in the shoes of the antag. Its just unneeded pressure. "i will cryo if you guys suck" essentially. Its just really pessimistic and of course it does not excuse the actions of the others.

I will read this tonight at work and form a reply then.

You're all being pretty dumb here. Burger you did kinda start this. You threw shade initially. If you're speeding to work you have a million reasons for why you need to speed. If someone cuts you off on the highway also speeding you'll be like "fuck that guy what the fuck theres a speed limit asshole". Of course this does not excuse the behavior of the others. Bauser you where fine but we dont need you to unsheathe your katana in this thread with comments like "if i was actually hostile you would know..." come on now. Dasfox.... Why are you the way you are? Why would you even make a comment like "this is the internet nobody gives a fuck?" well i give a fuck and i think you're being incredibly rude. You're easily the worst contender here. Butterrober. You apologized which i appreciate as i assume its genuine.

I unironically support this.

A wonderful addition to the hall of fame. A shame i wasn't there to see it.

Poor yonni, he was only trying to help. We shall never forget.

Yeah this is an easy hall of fame for me. Adminning while drunk is actually encouraged. Occasionally there are.... casualties.

Honestly, i am not comfortable with the responsibility for a few reasons. 1. We all know the general operating for staffing an SS13 server. You usually tab in when you hear the bwoink and then figure out what to do about it. Sometimes it can be hard to get important context from doing this but its just a reality of a server that is up 24/7...ish. It might end up being a little difficult to determine if ERT need to be called or not if it becomes the ONLY way for ERT to be spawned. Outside of super obvious "everyone is dead" situations. 2. When an administrator affects a round they assume a lot of risk. Its kind of off putting to do because it ends up feeling like you're ultimately responsible for people having a good time and people having a bad time. You yourself admit that ERT most commonly end in a bad time for everyone and i do not really disagree with this. I just feel like this will impression administrators away from bothering outside of the super obvious situations from my first example. 3. Assuming this did go through i do not see how its possible to ever satisfy players in using it. generally things of this nature are left up to administrator digression. Which will lead to situations of "you called ERT for X but not for Y". It is certainly an issue we could deal with but im not really sold on it being worth it.

Sorry dude, i dont see the point in unbanning you. Spoke with a few other admins and neither do they. I just disagree with your perspective on this and i think you are really downplaying how much of a butt you where being. Appeal denied.

Well, my perspective is different. I took it as a personal attack against xander because i had asked others to knock it off and it continued. I have always said my tolerance for butts on discord is relatively low. I do not really care how many warnings someone has on discord. I dont even think you're a bad dude, you just sit on discord and shitpost to annoy people. Whether intentionally or not it makes me consider why we ought let you stay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯