Garnascus

This decision is going to be very easy for me if you just keep deflecting instead of owning your shit plahunter.

The goal here with regards to administrative action is identifying problematic patterns of behavior and taking steps to correct them. verbal warnings, explicit warnings, temp bans and permanent bans are various tools we have in our magical bag. There is no one size fits all and every situation must be examined on its own to determine appropriate punishment. What i think can be clearly established here is a very consistent pattern of problematic behavior with you. Lets fast forward a bit to the player complaint adressed against you. I have an issue with your defence of it here. I feel you are missing the point here. Several criticisms of your behavior where brought up against you and others in that complaint. Abosh had this to say as a closing statement on the complaint. " i did not specifically target either of them " is not relevant here. that burger's ahelp and this complaint are not exactly the same are also not relevant. The grand issue here is problems with your behavior and a consistent pattern. We then arrive to the issue of burger's ahelp. The screenshot can be a little confusing to read as it details two seperate events. The first one is not being considered here. What is important here is that staff determined your behavior in game to be a problem. They, specifically calion12 told you cease. Much as i loathe to pull out the "I AM THE LAW" card you are expected to cease and drop it when a staff member tells you to. You instead decided to continue it and you sent burger a message about it. While it is true we almost never moderate just based off private PMs between people it is not unreasonable for me to conclude this was the straw that broke the camels back. The warning placed on you as a result of the whole BSA situation is also relevant here. Namely sharing private logs over the public discord. You seem to have this unnatural tendency to furiously go to discord anytime you're slighted. What are your thoughts on that?

Plahunter wishes to contest the decision made by alberyk so a staff complaint is appropriate here. I will get alb to post and then see what can be done.

Hello We do not currently forbid exotic hair or eye colors. No it does not really make sense but we think its more fun to suspend disbelief so that people can have their favorite hair or eye color. I shall close and archive this complaint.

I will lock and archive this now. Please take the criticism to heart. I do not like banning people.

the Kois infection sure. Generally you have to start fucking with other players rounds a lot for us to have an issue with breaking that directive. Breaking it in small ways can just be little ways of your roleplay your character. As it stands it looks like the player was punished for various issues related to breaking directive four. They are currently serving a temporary ban. So in theory the problematic behavior has been dealt with. If it continues obviously greater steps will be taken but for now this looks resolved. Locking and archiving.

I am confusion Is thomas atweeke a scientist or a botanist? Your post implies he showed a botanist how to grow a load of tomatoes. This does seem like an IC issue with the information you've given.

The player in question appears to have been told to "chill the f*ck out". There are levels of hostility you can engage in before it becomes a dumb meme. Your character appears to be consistently going over that level. I have confirmed with worthy on discord that the date of the OP is the latest incident. There was apparently some sort of miscommunication between seb or worthy in that the incident had been handled. Regardless it does appear resolved so long as the problematic behavior does not continue.

+1 It is kind of hilarious to see scientists get arrested for it but its absolutely awful for the game.

The nature of borgs makes them extremely weak if you have specific counters to them and extremely strong if you do not.

Agreed tbh. People are always so quick to make the argument "X isnt the problem its the people who use X that are the problem". This argument has serious issues associated with it. We as staff can only react to thing and can almost never undo or retcon actions in round. in short, if shit gets fucked all we can do is hope it doesnt get fucked next time. I think combat borgs are too large an advantage for the station to have. If you cannot deal with the threat with your supplied weaponry and station security then you call ERT. I would completely support their outright removal.

nope. theres no set amount you can accrue before you get banned. Whats important are patterns of problematic behavior. locking and archiving.

damnit you even had me fooled.

..well no. if we remove the warning than all documentation of this incident is gone. Its barely a punishment.

Apologies for the late response. IRL work has kept me away. Sorry man, this has just never been a thing we allowed. I get it that it seems reasonable for your character but generally we expect your reasons for building weapons to come from in round. So building a spear to hunt carp or chase down bears or something like that. You cant just fill the armory up. I completely understand that this is what your character would do. it is just one of those things that we have to be super strict on for balance reasons. along the same line of thinking we cant permit security to order a load of extra weapons at round start. its powergaming.

....well I think that answers that question. Next time please just ahelp things.

locking and archiving.

Issue has not been solved and i will only support total removal of this PR. No offence burger, i know you meant well. Seems like no matter how i pace myself i cant get through a shift without some sort of organ damage giving me 20 oxy damage.

Talked this over with aboshdab. [mention]Ezuo[/mention] If you want to build or deconstruct metal barricades due to your characters backstory that is fine. Deconstructing doors is unfortunately going to fall outside of your skill set. I am not really interested in assigning fault here since i get how this could sound reasonable due to how breaking the door down is communicated to you with game logs. It just has to end up being a more difficult skill than your character could reasonably have.

You're telling me you did not ahelp and instead made a public player complaint specifically so you could ricky's justification yourself instead of a staff member telling you it was valid or not? Thats not how this works! thats not how any of this works!

So if i am reading this right ricky was a member of your merc crew and shot at you for "IC reasons". I am sure [mention]Ricky_the_banshee[/mention] can elaborate a little on that. All i know is its generally SUPER SUPER discouraged to shoot or kill your team mates. Some semblance of team work is expected. Although its definitely possible. ALWAYS AHELP THINGS!!!!!! IT IS WAY EASIER TO DEAL WITH IT IN ROUND!!!!!!! NEXT TIME I WILL LOW-ORBIT-ION-CANNON YOUR COMPUTER!!!!

yeah, i mean keinto does make a good point to be fair [mention]Ezuo[/mention] . This lets your character get into basically every area of the ship by himself whenever it is convenient. I need to think on this a little more though.

I said it was fine to make this thread. I honestly do not even know what is and isn't a believable character anymore. These arguments have jaded me and the more i engage with them the more i want to drive a rusty nail through my skull. I do not really even have the beginning of a solution to it. There are serious and egregious patterns that are involved anytime these arguments crop up. This is the rule in question. Ironically it is invoked by BOTH sides whenever it is convenient. a "believable character" is an incredibly nebulous term and depending on who you ask you will get a slightly different answer. The game of role play creates an enormous amount of edge cases. It is entirely possible for your character to be a little different and thus know this specific skill or that skill while working in a totally unrelated. In reality we all can be a little extraordinary so it doesn't seem unreasonable to allow players some freedom right? Wrong Three years of doing this job have absolutely jaded me on this. No matter what terms you describe, no matter the lines you set and no matter the precedents you enforce players WILL PUSH THE ENVELOPE. they will go extraordinary lengths to create as unrealistic and as unbelievable a character as they can get away with. Attacking these issues specifically end in "in real life people CAN do X Y Z" or "uhhhh but joe schmoe is allowed to play a librarian john cena on station! WHAT THE FUCK GARN!?". All nuance is lost and all parties leave frustrated. Allowing one character to be had that is "almost too much" opens the door for five more to be "a little too much". We cannot simply wash our hands of it else we would be consistent and we cannot take serious action without deciding WHERE exactly we all unanimously draw the line in over 1000 edge case scenarios (not gonna happen). You the player do not see this frustrating charade as its always in staff channels. You do however see being told "yes" by one staff member and then "no" by another one. This is as frustrating to you as it is to me. Nobody wants to slam the hammer down on you. We want to enable you to have fun as shocking as they may be to believe. It is an endless tug of war that i do not have a realistic solution for. All we can reasonably do is get better at hammering the nails as they agree and keep talking about it. As it stands [mention]Ezuo[/mention] 's character felt realistic enough given their records and skills set up. As i said i am so jaded on this subject i have trouble approaching it rationally. I do not think its unreasonable to ask "what are my character's weaknesses". if you come up short or have to make really edge case answers then i think your character is probably against the rules. I am sorry for the rant but this topic is the single most frustrating thing to deal with as head admin.

As both the OP and the named parties have agreed this is resolved i will now lock and archive it.

Neat but it will probably just be used to metagame instead of create interesting roleplay.