DrFarson - Head Role Application

[Dr. Farson]

BYOND key: Dr. Farson
Character names:

Alexander Farson

How long have you been playing on Aurora?: 5 or so years, but I've honestly lost track.
Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they?
I was banned a few times for working outside of my role, however that was a few months ago, and I have since worked to fix my roleplay issues. While the offences were serious, I truly believe I have changed, and am currently an active administrator on another SS13 Server.

Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.

What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?:
To ensure departmental fucntion and efficiency for one, but also to make sure that the workplace staff are working together. If a head of staff isn't able to rally their crew, then what good is a department? On that note, I think that OOCly a head of staff should be willing to help others learn the department, and work towards helping the playerbase as a whole.

What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?:
Personally, I think it's very important for whitelisted roles to educate others on behavior, but also on why it's important to have diversity in roles. I feel it's their job to encourage others to apply, and to encourage people to take the opportunity to experiment and have fun. They should be respectful members of the community, and work to benefit other players. Additionally, I will work to strive to uphold them by working my hardest to further integrate with the community, and help as best I can. 

Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau ceti and how it affected your character and their career?
After the recent events with the Sol Fleet, and violet dawn, the phoron shortage hit. My character, to continue affording their lifestyle, opened up a private practice. Now that they're unable to continue working there, given the new vessel, they are requesting a promotion.

What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted?
Chief Medical officer. Primarily, I plan on playing CMO as my character Farson, given they've had significant experience in the medical field. It will be interesting having a CMO who specialisises in psychiatry, and I think it'll really add something to the atmosphere.

I plan on introducing a new character as captain, or Head of Personnel.

Have you familiarized yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles?
Absolutely, I have. The Chief Medical officer, the role which I am applying for, is responsible for crew health. They ensure that the medbay runs efficiently, and works to make things good for all the crew, and coordinates lifesaving efforts.

The captain is responsible for commanding the station. They issue orders, and make the really important decisions, while listening to their senior staff respectfully. 

Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking.:
Ainslie Glover, as Station Captain or Head of Personnel. 

Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action?
Absolutely. 

Extra notes:
I know I've had my history, but I think I've made a radical difference in my behaviors.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Dr. Farson
Considered feedback

[Faye <3]

I've played CMO over Farson, and I don't think the character would be a good fit. I recall having to constantly keep them within their lane (something very important to ensuring medical runs smoothly), as they repeatedly insisted they could do chemistry and made IV bags full of some sort of special chemical mix as a psychiatrist. -1/

[Triogenix]

I have to echo faye here with Farson as a character specifically, I don't think they'd be a good fit for CMO given that first, as of now they work for Zeng-hu, so they'd have to transfer to NT and become CMO immediately(if you had waited a month for NBT testing this wouldn't be an issue since all command would report to the SCC), which in my eyes isn't believable, maybe having transfer to NT for a few months then bumping them up could work. Secondly, Farson, as Faye stated, never really stays in their lane and I can see them doing chemistry with two chemists of shift or surgery when there's a dedicated surgeon who isn't busy, and essentially take both interaction and things to do from your subordinates, which is IMO, the worst thing possible for a command member to do.

I might reconsider should you choose to create a new character or bump up another.

-1

Edited December 18, 2021 by Triogenix

[Spider]

Granted the interactions with Farson with my characters is sparse, I've seen them while ghosting and can say that they are definitely an experienced roleplayer and I think they would do well to guide new players and enrich the roleplaying experience of medical. One problem I have noticed, as mentioned above, is that the character is trying to fill the role of multiple roles in medical. I think that it would be better to create a new character instead of having Alexander Farson promoted to CMO, instead keeping them as a psychiatrist specialist (God knows Aurora needs more of those). Just from personal experience, it is honestly much better to create a fresh character when applying for a command role.

I think you can expand on the questions a bit more, maybe talk about the role a command member OOCly has outside of their department. Command staff can be the deciding force for how a round progresses and it would be nice to see you write a biiiit more on the questions.

It would be also be nice to see you try play an interim position more often whenever offered the chance, it would be a good way to gauge your fit for the role.

I understand that you've had some issues with the rules in the past but we're all improving, I would know. I think if you can change up these things I could comfortably give this application a +1 as I think you should definitely be afforded a chance to play a command role!

For now i'm 50/50, still iffy about you playing the same character for the role, you should try making another one, I swear you'll like it!

(edit) Apparently Farson's also Zeng-Hu, I didn't notice that. More reason to make a new character. I still think you'd be a good fit.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Spider

[Roostercat]

I concur with Faye's point of issues with staying in your lane. Farson is often played like he knows next to everything, while a lot of the time in practice it feels liek you don't know much about medical mechanics wise. On top of that, you don't have much activity on the server, as you just came back from a hiatus. I also feel like you don't have a grasp on all being Command entails given you are trying to make a Zeng-Hu char go NT command either. Gonna have to -1 this one.

[Dr. Farson]

I'm aware of all of these, and have since stopped doing such. Something I had mentioned in the application actually. However, I would be willing to make an alternate character should it be needed.
 

However I do very much appreciate the feedback!

Edited December 18, 2021 by Dr. Farson

[Triogenix]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Farson said:

I'm aware of all of these, and have since stopped doing such. Something I had mentioned in the application actually.

The issue is, as of now, there is not a big enough sample size to truly determine if you have stopped doing it, at least in my eyes. Since you started to play again this winter, and I will admit it does seem very different, how many rounds have you played? I don't think it's many more then 10, and while that is a lot of time(close a days worth of playing) I think most people, including myself, want to see this behavior continue for at least 2 months, before they're comfortable with believing that you've truly changed. Especially when you're playing the same character. 

All I have right now is your word, and some improvements that aren't yet consistent enough over a long period of time right as you join back. Let me see that you've changed consistently for a longer period of time then a few weeks, and I will support an application. But as of now, there just isn't enough evidence to contradict your previous behaviors. 

[Dr. Farson]

7 minutes ago, Triogenix said:

The issue is, as of now, there is not a big enough sample size to truly determine if you have stopped doing it, at least in my eyes. Since you started to play again this winter, and I will admit it does seem very different, how many rounds have you played? I don't think it's many more then 10, and while that is a lot of time(close a days worth of playing) I think most people, including myself, want to see this behavior continue for at least 2 months, before they're comfortable with believing that you've truly changed. Especially when you're playing the same character. 

All I have right now is your word, and some improvements that aren't yet consistent enough over a long period of time right as you join back. Let me see that you've changed consistently for a longer period of time then a few weeks, and I will support an application. But as of now, there just isn't enough evidence to contradict your previous behaviors. 

Of course!

[Flpfs]

I am dropping here my +1. I don't believe Farson is a good fit for CMO not due to your IC behavior but just lack of mechanical knowledge, which can be learned. At the present moment, I definitively believe you could pull off captain or HoP. You are OOCly competent for those roles and open to feedback, and I have spoken with you both in game and in discord. You play mature characters and I haven't had bad interactions. 

[Captain Gecko]

I'm not aware of the medical side and expertise of Farson, so I'm not going to speak specifically for CMO, but for Command in general.

He's a good roleplayer overall, and I think he'd add a lot to the quality of some rounds, putting aside his actual knowledge and skills in the game and whatever role he's in.

 

So, you know, +1.

[RyverStyx]

From what I’ve seen in rounds that we’ve played together, you take IC issues way too personally and immediately resort to arguing in LOOC instead of talking it out IC. If I were to see a head of staff doing this in round it would be incredibly irritating. I don’t think this is a good habit and at this time I would have to -1 this application due to this issue.

[Dr. Farson]

3 hours ago, RyverStyx said:

From what I’ve seen in rounds that we’ve played together, you take IC issues way too personally and immediately resort to arguing in LOOC instead of talking it out IC. If I were to see a head of staff doing this in round it would be incredibly irritating. I don’t think this is a good habit and at this time I would have to -1 this application due to this issue.

I would like to clarify, as previously stated, I have changed a lot since then. I do ky best to focus on issues icly and resolve them as such.

 

I will keep this in mind however, and continue to work to resolve my issues icly.

 

Additionally, if you wish to extend the normal probationary period for command staff, to allow me to prove my readiness for such a role, I would he willing to do so.

I recall @Triogenix stating that they'd like to see more of my new behavior, and I agree on that matter. Extending the probationary period to a month, with reviews every week, should hopefully solve this issue.

Thank you for your feedback, it is duly noted.

[SatinsPristOTD]

I watched you do Ryver's complaint literally yesterday during the Christmas event about a top hat. You took it to LOOC instead of either a)rolling with it RPly, or b)ahelping it.

And it wasn't a good look. As for Farson as CMO, I can't say they're good or bad at Medical.

It's not the character I have a complaint with. It's you.

-1

[Dr. Farson]

1 hour ago, SatinsPristOTD said:

I watched you do Ryver's complaint literally yesterday during the Christmas event about a top hat. You took it to LOOC instead of either a)rolling with it RPly, or b)ahelping it.

And it wasn't a good look. As for Farson as CMO, I can't say they're good or bad at Medical.

It's not the character I have a complaint with. It's you.

-1

I don't believe you have all the information here. I did all three.

I rolled with it by refusing to take the hat off, as it fits the character.

I also had ahelped it, and was told to resolve it icly.

I stated it in LOOC before I was told it was an IC issue, before the adminhelp was responded to, and discontinued the LOOC once I was told to resolve it ICly by an admin. I had stated in LOOC that it had been "approved by an admin" and then proceeded to deal with it icly. In that moment, I was significantly confused as to whether or not it even was an OOC/IC issue, and had adminhelped for clarification.

I even went as far to contact a CCIA agent in the game, via PDA, and reuqest legal representation for my character.

@MattAtlas Was the admin handling all three of my ahelp tickets.

I do however apologise for the misunderstanding it caused.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Dr. Farson

[SatinsPristOTD]

I mean, I was standing right there when you did it. It went on for a bit, actually. Like, the entire length we were standing there in that airlock area, waiting to be let in. I actually just turned my LOOC off instead, because I wasn't in the mood to listen to someone complain in LOOC about an IC thing regarding a tophat of all odd things.

And my initial point is, Ryver's not wrong that you take IC things too personally in OOC. I've seen it from you this past week regarding antag gimmicks and such.

It's still a general no from me. Once, twice, sure. We all have bad days.

But I've officially registered your ckey as "Oh great. this guy" in my head because all I've really seen from you in an OOC manner is... well.... what my complaint is about.

[Dr. Farson]

2 minutes ago, SatinsPristOTD said:

I mean, I was standing right there when you did it. It went on for a bit, actually. Like, the entire length we were standing there in that airlock area, waiting to be let in. I actually just turned my LOOC off instead, because I wasn't in the mood to listen to someone complain in LOOC about an IC thing regarding a tophat of all odd things.

And my initial point is, Ryver's not wrong that you take IC things too personally in OOC. I've seen it from you this past week regarding antag gimmicks and such.

It's still a general no from me. Once, twice, sure. We all have bad days.

But I've officially registered your ckey as "Oh great. this guy" in my head because all I've really seen from you in an OOC manner is... well.... what my complaint is about.

Alright. That's respectable, however, I do disagree with you on some points.

Specifically, I feel that clarifying an issue does not constitute taking things personally. I simply want to gain constructive feedback on things, and If i disagree with someone OOCly, I'd rather settle things OOCly than metagrudge.

But I do understand your take on things. I apologise deeply for being "that guy". It's not someone I strive to be.

[KingOfThePing]

1 hour ago, Dr. Farson said:

I even went as far to contact a CCIA agent in the game, via PDA, and reuqest legal representation for my character.

I dont have anything to say about this application but to clarify this, because I was playing Mori Takachika - you did not message a CCIA agent ICly (the second I spawned in before I could turn off the messenger btw) but the Chief Legal Director of the Board of Directors, a Chief of Staff of NanoTrasen about a personal and petty problem you faced with station security. This is just nothing that's appropiate. It's not your boss on the Aurora, its not the boss of the boss on the Odin, it's one of the bosses. 

As I said I dont want to give a +1 or -1 because I havent seen you play at all but this is something that I cannot comprehend why your character would want to do this ICly.

 

edit: Just to visualize, this is your escalation spirale, you are somewhere below the X and on top is Miranda Trasen:

 

Edited December 18, 2021 by KingOfThePing

[Shadow7889]

I think if you step away from a command app involving Farson as well as improve some more on your ic play and avoid ooc issues, you can get a solid app going. Unfortunately I do not believe you're there yet. -1 from me. If your app is denied, don't let it discourage you. Improve upon your play a bit more and I can see you reaching command staff. Best of luck!

[Dr. Farson]

1 hour ago, KingOfThePing said:

I dont have anything to say about this application but to clarify this, because I was playing Mori Takachika - you did not message a CCIA agent ICly (the second I spawned in before I could turn off the messenger btw) but the Chief Legal Director of the Board of Directors, a Chief of Staff of NanoTrasen about a personal and petty problem you faced with station security. This is just nothing that's appropiate. It's not your boss on the Aurora, its not the boss of the boss on the Odin, it's one of the bosses. 

As I said I dont want to give a +1 or -1 because I havent seen you play at all but this is something that I cannot comprehend why your character would want to do this ICly.

 

edit: Just to visualize, this is your escalation spirale, you are somewhere below the X and on top is Miranda Trasen:

 

Oh. Huh. to Clarify, the PDA did NOT say that. I apologise.

[KingOfThePing]

Because I didnt even had the chance to grab my proper ID before messaging me.

[Desven]

Ever since I joined, I see you come back, request a position (like mod twice) and then disappear again. All of this while you make it hard to roleplay with you, sometimes talking to Farson is really awkward as he acts really odd, which is not suited for the look and what I believe you try to make of him. I agree with the other concerns, and while yes HOP or Captain don't require too much mechanical knolwedge, you have in character fits that don't make much sense (there was a time you tried to suicide Farson with a cane, then yesterday you held up the line for a hat, booed your boss in a small audience and then messaged the very same person about a petty issue). Two months ago you ate k'ois and died, and complained about it in OOC as it happened— the list goes on (like one of your other characters selling drugs as a scientist).

 

So -1, even if you're not applying for CMO, these would be issues in other positions.

[Dr. Farson]

23 minutes ago, Desven said:

Ever since I joined, I see you come back, request a position (like mod twice) and then disappear again. All of this while you make it hard to roleplay with you, sometimes talking to Farson is really awkward as he acts really odd, which is not suited for the look and what I believe you try to make of him. I agree with the other concerns, and while yes HOP or Captain don't require too much mechanical knolwedge, you have in character fits that don't make much sense (there was a time you tried to suicide Farson with a cane, then yesterday you held up the line for a hat, booed your boss in a small audience and then messaged the very same person about a petty issue). Two months ago you ate k'ois and died, and complained about it in OOC as it happened— the list goes on (like one of your other characters selling drugs as a scientist).

 

So -1, even if you're not applying for CMO, these would be issues in other positions.

I see all your points. But again, my response is the same for all of them. I appreciate the feedback, but have since changed drastically. I'm aware of the pattern of behavior, and I've actively worked to change that pattern.

To be VERY clear, the tophat issue was a joke, one I didn't quite get. It has since been resolved, and I have acknowledged that it was a joke misinterpreted by me. I really think we should discontinue conversation about the tophat. I've answered three or four posts now about it and to be honest it is getting a bit tedious having to explain the same thing over and over again. Even the handling admin admitted he didn't know why it's such a big deal.

I booed the boss because my character worked for Zeng hu, and it was a zavod rep speaking. I admit it wasn't the greatest decision, and it was a spur of the moment thing. My stupid brain went "zavod bad = boo"

The cane incident was because I was playing when I was off my meds. I have made it very clear I was not in a good part of my life at that time. I was suicidal irl, so that was a serious issue for me. I have since changed medications and am now a lot more stable.

Finally the Koi's was me trying to get food from a vending machine extremely quickly, and forgetting to read the text. I had accidentally eaten the bar thinking it was chocolate oocly, and not bothering to read the ft.

 

I do hope this sheds some light on these issues.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Dr. Farson

[Desven]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Farson said:

I see all your points. But again, my response is the same for all of them. I appreciate the feedback, but have since changed drastically. I'm aware of the pattern of behavior, and I've actively worked to change that pattern.

To be VERY clear, the tophat issue was a joke, one I didn't quite get. It has since been resolved, and I have acknowledged that it was a joke misinterpreted by me. I really think we should discontinue conversation about the tophat. I've answered three or four posts now about it and to be honest it is getting a bit tedious having to explain the same thing over and over again. Even the handling admin admitted he didn't know why it's such a big deal.

I booed the boss because my character worked for Zeng hu, and it was a zavod rep speaking. I admit it wasn't the greatest decision, and it was a spur of the moment thing. My stupid brain went "zavod bad = boo"

The cane incident was because I was playing when I was off my meds. I have made it very clear I was not in a good part of my life at that time. I was suicidal irl, so that was a serious issue for me. I have since changed medications and am now a lot more stable.

Finally the Koi's was me trying to get food from a vending machine extremely quickly, and forgetting to read the text. I had accidentally eaten the bar thinking it was chocolate oocly, and not bothering to read the ft.

 

I do hope this sheds some light on these issues.

Every single time you say you've changed, from your ban appeals to your mod app to today. Also, putting aside that Zavod and ZH are working together now (and have been for long to this point), booing, especially in a crowd of 40ish people, is an awful idea. I can't even fathom doing that irl.

[Dr. Farson]

15 minutes ago, Desven said:

Every single time you say you've changed, from your ban appeals to your mod app to today. Also, putting aside that Zavod and ZH are working together now (and have been for long to this point), booing, especially in a crowd of 40ish people, is an awful idea. I can't even fathom doing that irl.

Let me be frank, apologies in advance for my curt response. I just want to say this. It feels like you're throwing out the possibility of change entirely here. Refusing to acknowledge that, considering where I was, I have changed. 

As for the booing, I have stated in my previous post that it was a stupid, spur of the moment mistake on my part. I don't see how continuing the argument will change that.

As of now I just want to let this be over, stop talking about yesterday, and focus on actual constructive feedback. I have taken the effort to respond to everyone's posts here in a calm and respectful manner. Having to explain the same action multiple times to different people is really getting on my nerves.

If you have an issue with my behavior, I accept that. But all the issues you speak of have actively been resolved, and effort has been put in to ensure they are not repeated. Ignoring that, and continuing to reference said behavior, without offering a tangible alternative, such as what some other here have suggested (i.e. playing for longer or working to improve reputation), is not, in my personal opinion, constructive feedback.a

I feel like we're all beating a dead horse at this point.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Dr. Farson

[Arrow768]

You have started playing again 4 days ago and previously you did not have the best reputation as indicated by the various responses in this topic.

I would encourage you to stay for a while and show that you have improved your abilities before applying for head of staff.