Butterrobber202 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Basically, people using their Station Characters as their exterior station antags, (Wiz, Ninja, Merc, Heist) It always ends up with a peaceantag and a massive circlejerk between the Antag and his clique. Tis All.
Doc Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 This seems, much like the 'lock characters to their departments' suggestion, more like something that should be reported to admins rather than hard-coded in. I very much doubt NT would hire anyone who was ICly a part of any sort of criminal or mercenary gang that might be a threat to them, and feel like that would already be something worth admin-helping.
Butterrobber202 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Posted August 24, 2017 This seems, much like the 'lock characters to their departments' suggestion, more like something that should be reported to admins rather than hard-coded in. I very much doubt NT would hire anyone who was ICly a part of any sort of criminal or mercenary gang that might be a threat to them, and feel like that would already be something worth admin-helping. I'm not asking for it to be hard-coded, I'm asking for it to be a rule.
witchbells Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I was under the impression we already did this. Let me check. EDIT: Nope, we don't!
Snakebittenn Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I fully agree, this never leads to anything good.
Zundy Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 What about using your character as a plant. I did a gimmick once where I had my sec character be a terrorist who had killed the "real" sec character and stolen his ID and what not to get on station. Is this acceptable? What about a character who, for the sake of the round, was absorbed by a changeling who used their DNA to get on the station? TL; DR What about antags pretending to be your characters?
Garnascus Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Staff policy up until now has simply been to STRONGLY DISCOURAGE IT. I know i have outright told a few no when they asked if they could just play as their normal character but as a space wizard. I feel its counter productive to the intent of the role. Are people really doing this a lot to the point we need a rule over it though?
Fire and Glory Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 What about using your character as a plant. I did a gimmick once where I had my sec character be a terrorist who had killed the "real" sec character and stolen his ID and what not to get on station. Is this acceptable? What about a character who, for the sake of the round, was absorbed by a changeling who used their DNA to get on the station? TL; DR What about antags pretending to be your characters? Unless your terrorist is a nuke op neither of these cases really apply, since, infiltration antags are naturally station-characters, the issue is with exterior antagonists (as listed up top, these being nuke ops, heisters, ninjas, and wizards).
NoahKirchner Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I am very heavily inclined to agree here, I just had a wizard today tell me "I'm _______ _______, Chapman knows me" (Removed name out of respeck), and it was pretty clearly just going to turn into a "Look at me, I'm special I have wizard powers." On the other hand, I feel like there are still some valid gimmicks here, like what Zundy said or maybe a former Aurora employee who got so pissed with his job that he decided to become a space pirate and joined a heister gang. I think, if this is enforced, it should be enforced as situationally as possible and only in cases where an antag is very clearly trying to dick around with their clique. If it is entirely banned, though, I think it's a pretty small loss and it's not at all outrageous.
Zundy Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 What about using your character as a plant. I did a gimmick once where I had my sec character be a terrorist who had killed the "real" sec character and stolen his ID and what not to get on station. Is this acceptable? What about a character who, for the sake of the round, was absorbed by a changeling who used their DNA to get on the station? TL; DR What about antags pretending to be your characters? Unless your terrorist is a nuke op neither of these cases really apply, since, infiltration antags are naturally station-characters, the issue is with exterior antagonists (as listed up top, these being nuke ops, heisters, ninjas, and wizards). Oh yeah, ignore me then I'm talking shite.
Scheveningen Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Fine with it. I assumed this was already heavily frowned upon.
JKJudgeX Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I don't like the idea of banning it completely, but maybe for certain antag types like Ninja and Wizard.... As an example, I played a round as RD Vyleon Black and was straight kidnapped by some raiders a month or two ago. The raiders proceeded to try to ransom me back to the station, and, well, Vyleon isn't really a very well liked character, so, a couple of people were just like "meh, we don't care" and they did very little to come up with any money and took forever doing so. Eventually, a couple members of command ponied up the cash and the captain decided to try to trick the raiders with a gas grenade or something like that, but, the situation backfired (somebody goofed) and the crew ended up injuring itself before even meeting with the raiders for the exchange. This made my character pretty upset, that his coworkers A) didn't care very much about him and B) would risk his life by trying to double-cross a hostage exchange with him in the middle... so... for the rest of that round, I played Vyleon as sympathetic to the raiders and willing to help them extract value from the station in order to pay for his own life, offering suggestions like "Steal their IDs and drain their accounts at ATMs", and "You could print this and that from R&D - I did the research myself!" and "Cargo's miners regularly carry processed minerals and even diamonds, uranium and phorn up to the station - cargo would be the place to rob for big money". I even offered to help them deceive the crew in order to earn my release. Eventually, they offered to let me just join their little crew, and I took them up on it as the round was concluding. Because of this round, I would like, occasionally when I roll Raider, to play as Vyleon-turned-raider, to sort of continue this non-canon narrative. I think that should be an okay thing to do so long as it isn't something that everyone starts doing all the time.
Faris Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 This is already heavily discouraged and if it just amounts to a person sitting in a bar doing nothing, it violates the rule pertaining to antagonists furthering the narrative. If we add this as a specific rule and keeping add more specific rules when they're already generally covered by the rules, we're just going to end up with a bloated mess. Voting it for dismissal as it requires the addition of a specific rule.
Butterrobber202 Posted February 24, 2018 Author Posted February 24, 2018 I still 100% support this, its so annoying to have station characters meme the round with their snowflake-ness
Faris Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 I still 100% support this, its so annoying to have station characters meme the round with their snowflake-ness Have you ahelped people that are doing this without driving the narrative? If a person is just sitting in the bar as a crew member with special powers not doing anything else, then that's a failure on the antagonist and is dealt with.
Garnascus Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 This is already heavily discouraged and if it just amounts to a person sitting in a bar doing nothing, it violates the rule pertaining to antagonists furthering the narrative. If we add this as a specific rule and keeping add more specific rules when they're already generally covered by the rules, we're just going to end up with a bloated mess. Voting it for dismissal as it requires the addition of a specific rule. seconded. you still need to act as an atagonist. you're not allowed to just play as your regular crewmember "but i have super powers!!!!".
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