Coalf

While your fairy tales are truly worthy of Brothers Grimm, they do not make for convincing arguments. Actually what I said, instead of the lies is: You come here to do a job. Your job is not an important job, you are not important. This saves you from the headache of being chased around for not setting up the engine, not cloning people fast enough or not batoning the antag fast enough. However you pay for it by, not being important. Yes even cargo is non-important, everything they do is extra as is mining, scientists can still bring their research up to a near maximum even without you. You don't get to have zero responsibilities during a normal round and also have all the involvement when something actually exciting happens, you can't have your cake and eat it. You have a job, you do your job, sometimes you get pulled into shenanigans due to the nature of the situation, you not here to get into shenanigans. This is called HRP, HRP drives on restrictions created by the rules, the rules say you should do your job and not search for shenanigans. You CAN interact with an antag but you are NOT ENTITLED to an antag. Antagonists are also players, they can chose who to interact with, how and how long. If your character has not interacted with an antag in forever you should probably re-think how you play the game and why other players don't like you enough to ever interact with you. Note: I am not refuting any of the above points because I cannot, you are the community as am I and if you think there is an issue, then there is an issue. However I also have my own opinions and my own thoughts on this that don't match yours, as do the 800+ unique pings that have visited this thread however not posted in it. I think I do my best to allow civilians to enter my events and I have gotten the absolute minimum of complaints about not including people in my events. However everyone in here and everyone reading this IS the community and besides discussion there is not much we can do, outside of perhaps getting ol' Musky to build us a mind control device and make everyone a hivemind. Edit : edited out "massive liar " due to being ad hominem, replaced it with "instead of the lies "

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Ah yes I do remember you and Sulyard for that matter and their death was tragic from the logs of that round i read about 50 times. Anyways I'd like to ask, regarding the death, was it something you planned for a while or did you just decide to go with it as it happened? Some other reason? Not a lot of people would just kill off their probably most active character and thus it peaks my curiosity.

I realized I never posted the notes, my mistake. These are all the notes, to explain further: The gaps bewtween the phrases are gaps in time and deleted conversations of everyone who was not in the scene. I tried my best to read into where who was but if I missed something or accidentally taken something/someone out of context, I do apologise. All Ckey's have been redacted except yours since we've publicly discussed who your character is. Do keep in mind, logs don't log a lot of actions like opening lockets, pulling people without using an intent, your position etc. etc. I tried my best to clean this up. EDIT: Edite out "Ckeys" and replaced with "logs", missplaced a word. EDIT 2: For the note I will avoid answering your question as I have already answered it before in PM's when you asked me and the general thought is that I'm trying to get you.

THE ANTICIPATION AND THE DRAMATIC REVEAL ARE A PART OF THE EXPERIENCE SOME OF THESE AREN'T EVEN DRAMATIC I MEAN WE ALL BEEN KNEW YOU HAD 2 PORNO PIECES MADE OF YOUR CHARACTERS I didn't say I had TWO porno pieces made! I said I paid for two. :smirk:

THE ANTICIPATION AND THE DRAMATIC REVEAL ARE A PART OF THE EXPERIENCE

Shocking revelations. I hate you but I like you enough for it to turn into indefference. Also you forgot "I didn't write my novel for like two years now" into it.

Good old revification of dead threads, fun.

Christ Almigthy, I just can't watch this. Again, this isn't an A or B option, there is a very cut clear path, there are deviations on this path correct but it's a very straightforward path with minimum responsibilities. In the Vaurca event you did all your responsibilities as a HoP, you raised to blue, you delegated your department to get supplies, you ordered a translator for the vaurca. In scope those were your responsibilities. But all of this was done AFTER everything we raised as an issue, AFTER we asked you why Jawdat was there, AFTER we asked why Jawdat decided to fly back, AFTER the fact that as we already said that 5 out of 6 heads on an away mission leaving the station completely abandonned for the RD(whose responsibility it is NOT to manage HUMAN RESOURCES) to tend to. There were correct thing to do, you did a lot of things correctly but there was a lot of things you did badly because you wanted to be included in an event. This isn't an assumption again, you decided to make an entire manifesto about how unfair it is that you aren't allowed to be included in events even if you try your hardest to shove yourself into them. Yes there is an issue with inclusion, but that issue EXISTS because CIVILIANS forfeit their RESPONSIBILITIES, thus they are LESS INVOLVED. It is a trade-off, civilians are the entertainment industry, a luxury and they need to learn to accept that security, medical and engineering are going to be more involved because they have more responsibilities making them more important. You hark and hark about inclusion this and inclusion that and completely ignore the fact 3 departments were present excluding yourself and Trekkers, Engineering, Security and Medical out of the existing 6. Security - Ensure the crew is safe, if the crew is ordered to go on a rescue mission they would logically be there. Engineering - Manual skills, excellent for deconstructing walls and clearing debree, perfect for a rescue operation. Medical - No comments Then we have the rest that were not, "included" Supply - Ensure the station crew is well supplied, medkits, roller beds, bodybags, food, water. They are not supposed to dig through rubble and search for corpses, they're supposed to deliver supplies. Research - Research, completely uninvolved in this event judging from logs. Civilian - Luxuries, food, water. Again not the people to take to go through rubble and search for corpses and survivors. Establishing a camp on the other side where refugees can stay = Perfect, awesome, exactly what should be done and a great way to involve civilians in this event aswell as supply. Establishing a camp on station where refugees can stay = Great, awesome, same as above. Bringing supplies to the rescuers = Great, nice, supply is included and you have a reason to go a bit further into the rubble while at the same time doing a great job. Going through rubble with untrained personnel searching for dead and wounded so you can give them lunch = No. Was the HoS, CE, Captain, CMO and HoP needed there? Absolutely not, this was an extreme unnecessary risk. Captain should not be going away from the station in the first place, neither should be the HoP, CMO or HoS, they should have delegated the response teams rather than take full control and run into the potentially dangerous rubble to have event fun. Actively taking any plot-relevance of players away and substittuing it with their own. Everyone was punished for fucking up, not just you. But this, this is the really fun part. Nobody punished or warned you after the Vaurca event, the only action that was taken were in-character IR's which logically Jawdat can't see the IR's made against him, but even if he did all of the IR's were made due to the ""mutiny"", not front-lining so even OOCly you couldn't mistake it as such. So let's imagine that the Vaurca round was you going right, as you say catch 22 or whatever, this is you going Right. Then after the interview, during which you did not know that possible action could be taken for front-lining, you decide to go in the other way, as you said yourself, to the left and be completely Passive instead of active. Do you get what we're saying you decided to switch personalities when it suits you? We didn't punish you for going one way and then punished you for going the other, you decided to switch personalities on your own when it suited you. This isn't a gotcha moment, this is me explaining our logic and stepping stones, hell you yourself have aknowleddged it in your own argument man. EDIT: I typed this up on my lunch-break, I'll provide logs later today to for my previous post.

Welp I had the logs, then I closed the tab I was in and my entire post got deleted so I won't be answering that one today, but I'll probably post them tomorrow. (note, logs don't display radio chatter only spoken words) To be short. 1) Why was Jawdat needed there? You claimed he's unfamiliar with the situation in the first place but you never clear up why the fuck would he go to a suspected burning wreck that could be fitted with corpses and wounded with the first wave instead of deciding y'know, maybe I should see what the scouting team says before I decide to go outside of my expertise and hand out propaganda to children whose mothers have died. Claiming I make assumptions sure is fun, but the fact that you had prepared the lunches and decided you'll go there before even asking if anyone will come with or if you can go there in the first place. Jawdat was not needed there, he should be managing the station in the captains absence (the captain should have not gone in the first place and neither should have the CMO) It's called a command structure for a reason, if one part collapses there are other pillars to hold them down. What if the shuttle crashed and every single one of you died on that ship? Who would man the stations? The RD? The one person whose job is NOT to manage every department if other heads are absent? Yes people do hand out relief supplies, but they hand them out in shelters and after it's been established that it's safe. I'm sick of having to link the Heads of Personnel page you yourself wrote because you fail again and again to follow the criteria you set yourself. You wrote that article objectively and without your tailfeathers being on fire, that is why I trust it more. 2) I didn't resolve your complaint, Matt did, I don't have any "Mind Control" powers over Matt or Alberyk so I sadly cannot tell them which whitelist to remove and when, neither was I the only person conducting investigations and thus the "You just wanted to strip my whitelist and now you're searching for reasons why!" kinda dies there. Further if you think you did absolutely nothing wrong there I am glad I agreed with the decision to take your whitelist. And if you would have done the same thing as you did previously in case of a monster attack now, we would be meeting here once more. 3) "Bad gas" didn't serve to show how much of a shitty head you are. It was to show that almost every head in the round acted like an absolute child and as you can see by the third staff complaint, it was to show that we, the whitelist team aren't the only ones who think you absolutely failed to do your job properly as the CCIA would have punished you anyways. 4) Yes I admit I misread that log, it was Richter saying that ICly. And I apologise for it. In the End: There is a lot to unpack here and as I said myself I don't speak for the entire whitelist team. For now I'll keep my mouth shut so it doesn't turn into an insane back&forth as it has before as we clearly do not see eye to eye. Again, I'm not the one handling the complaint, I think I explained myself and my reasons for why I agreed on the strip. Aboshehab has to resolve it himself and the others need to defend their own points.

I'm not going to do the quote by quote thing, it's draining. The reason it was titled as abuse of coms is because you're making it a clear advertisement for your own products and a charity second as an excuse, it was ruled as abuse by CCIA and we happened to agree with them. One, you had no reason to be there, you admit it was an unfamiliar situation and your entire previous defence was that Jawdat likes upholding morale and is a paper pusher, he clearly had no idea what he was doing because every time he saw a survivor he screamed at the top of his lungs "What the fuck is that", about 2-3 times. This is where the "harassing refugees" comes from and shows that not bringing you would have been the better option since Jawdat had no idea what he was doing. Also most likely because you took every opportunity to title anyone who disagreed with you as having "bad gas". Nobody was co-ordinated until AFTER the monster showed up. From the logs I saw you simply ordered Trekkers to come with you, if she said no you would have gone anyways. The charity is important enough for you to let the station deal with a Malf AI but not important enough to let station deal with the refugees, this is the character turn we're talking about. None of this really explains why he had to be there when 5/6 heads were leaving already, leaving the RD to manage the station alone. This is what put entire command on blast, putting their own fun and importance in an event before other players. There was absolutely no need to have so many heads there. The strange thing is you agree with me in PM's that it's apperant by the amount of warnings something was wrong with Jawdat and to "trade" him for your command whitelist, but now you turn around and say nothing is wrong. But I get it, opinions change. Actually everything I said was regarding before the monster even showed up, we didn't address the entire mutiny thing because all of the heads were being stupid and childish. The thing is right, that after the monster shows up and you have seen it your recruit a vaurca to go translate, fly the shuttle there, tell people to take pictures, raise to blue, co-ordinate cargo with weapons, hide in the bunker, come out of the bunker and finally try to arrest Price. This is wherein the buried dog lies, why were you such a capable Heads of Personnel in this round but not in the latter malf AI round? This is where the disparity and difference in characters arises, you have descibed Jawdat as a paper-pusher trying to raise morale and here you're doing your actual job as an HoP fulfilling all the criteria and going plus ultra. Yes, don't play civilian if you want to be involved in majority of violent events. This is why away events always get such a bad rep, because civilians have nothing to do because they're civilians. Entertainment industry, the most useless bunch with no applied skill who exist only because our system allows for luxuries to become an available thing even for lower and middle-classes. Alright here is the thing, almost everyone in the round got punished but your punishment wasn't simply for this one round. It was the culmination of your notes and repeated behaviour (Which you have aknowledged is wrong in our private PM's as the screenshot indicated) and the extreme difference on how your character acts when involved in an event and when forced to deal with a usual boring standard malf AI round. However I don't speak for the whitelist team and I hope [mention]Alberyk[/mention] along with [mention]Datamatt[/mention]

Closing and archiving.

So we've discussed this, since that is all we can do as there is nothing to investigate and we have decided to take no action against the character of [mention]Azande[/mention] . CCIA have declared that the reprimand would have no effect on further promotion and while I would agree with your sentiments were the reprimand recent, with the fact that next month it'll be exactly an entire year since the record was set I have to disagree. If the CCIA thought the charge was AS serious as you make it out to be [mention]Arrow768[/mention] , they would have served out an appropriate injuction against the character. Thus we have no reason to adopt a different mindset. It appears the CCIA hoped to give the character a second chance, he has had a spotless record the entire year and thus I assume meets the requirements. This complaint will remain open for the next 24 hours for discussion.

Trial period begins at 25.7.2018 of my time and ends at 1.8.2018. For clarification, when a head of staff applicant is in Trial it means we encourage more feedback on their application but this time from actually BEING with them and seeing what they are like.

Scared Potter?

Also if you want to use your hostage as a meat-shield in getting from point A to point B, remember to pre-plan your course. Going through that 1 tile wide hallway may not be the best idea while you're holding a second person, I've had multiple merc rounds end with mercenaries getting too tied up with hostages in maint and getting caught with their panties down.

But why? I mean why the stat-losses? The cigarette implementation of text holding your hand and telling you what your character feels was receive well enough why not just continue with that? "My legs are tired" "I'm hungry" "This food tasted terrible" "It's too spicy" "This chair is uncomfortable" "I hurt myself today to see if I still feel" Putting flat stats and numbers on such mundane actions reduces characters from characters and turns them into a generic basis/stereotype. A huge part of playing pretend is going along with what is happening. This won't really ADD options, it'll just detract options from the people who already loved to do these things as they'll be streamlined into linear paths and force the people who never broke the rules but didn't care about comfort that much into having to "powergame" comfort. Also consider antags, wizard, ninja, mercenaries, raiders, I mean will we see mercenaries having hostage situations with police officers in comfy chairs? I don't mind the idea of nudging people in what you consider the right direction, however forcing people in the right direction is an issue in my book. Just like we don't force tajara to take off their clothes when heat messages start popping, we leave it up to the players to decide how comfortable their character is. To use the cigs again, do consider they DO cause organ damage but people STILL smoke them even if they provide no benefit outside of the messages. To re-iterate, I am not against nudging people in the right direction. I am against forcing people to take a path you think is correct. Because if we're on this, we might aswell force people to break their fingers when they try to make a spear-head by bending iron with their bare hands.

Now we all know those borgs that exist, you now the ones. That weird long-armed one which plagues about 4 departments but nobody uses, the weird egg-janitor bot or maybe the weird cubic bar robot. Well fear no more for there are legitimate solutions, importing actually robots that are made with the SS13 style in mind. [mention]PoZe[/mention] is already working on turning the reddies into blues. However since there have also been concerned cries of: "But the inconsistency!" "But the style!" "But the ripping from open source games which we have done many times before and quite few our our updates consist of just us taking a system from another codebase and importing it into ours!" But I'm a good guy, I know our developers work hard and play hard so I don't want to burden them with having to create entire new sprites from scratch based on the pre-existing styles or re-spriting the already existing ones. I'd say we can use this thread to compile the "inconsistent" borg sprites and maybe as a community work on improving them and giving them a general theme so they fit together like fried butter and sausage-bacon wraps. I mean does anyone even USE this freaky thing? I know it's in a few departments but it has absolutely zero difference and minimal color variance so nobody can tell what borg it is.

Alright P-Dog, I'll let you gather more feedback and trust me I will hold you by the word on this in the future. Remember, while sometimes it may not seem like it we try to keep around heads to lead as an example, be it IC or OOC behaviour.

Paradox I have a question, maybe a few we'll see how this goes. Now you're eeeeh conflicting, very much so and ditto about your characters they tend to be on the subversive, rebelious and law-non-abiding side. You are a capable roleplay but you can quite literally explode when things get bad both OOC and in IC which makes me give a big think about giving you this application, the question is and answer honestly now, no empty promises to make me hear what I want to hear. Do you think you would be able to curb your behaviour to more acceptable levels in the future or do you not see that happening?

Excuse the delay, it seems that the moderator that banned you actually quit yesterday. We'll get to this thread shortly, we promise.

Matt is an adult and my equal now, he can discern what he wants. Yes I have confirmed that you did your job poorly, the fact I have revelead your entire outlook on the role is all wrong happens to be something I did not expect to see. We have decided to talk to the warden before this complaint was raised, precisely right after I informed staff of your PM, they will be talkted to. Excuses nothing you did. If you want proof contact a headmin, I don't want to post moderator discussion logs in here.

Exaggarating my posts, making assumptions and misinterpreting everything I say on purpose to try and draw assumptions that I am forcing you to metagame is disgusting. That wasn't my question, re-read the previous post and answer it. I asked why she could not stay there and keep the people there. I asked why you simply didn't order them and continue with your responsibilities. HoP can grant emergency access to anyone if required, including himself. Weapons were handed out by the warden after severe convincing by security staff, you yourself have sent me a screenshot where security officers are screaming at the warden that if he had opened armory sooner the situation would have been resolved faster. No you didn't, read the wiki. I checked all of your notes, you have no notes or warnings for the actions you have described. However you have multiple warnings and notes over doing something completely outside of your role just to fuck around and make an OOC joke including innapropriate announcements, breaking into departments to cook eggs, giving yourself all access to get to said eggs. Majorly all of your controversial actions were done for the sake of OOC humor, I am very sure this one was too no matter how much you try to play up "bunkering". Neither, I want you to play a Head of Personnel: https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Head_of_Personnel Yes, the CE indeed confirmed that you didn't do anything and he had to handle the entire round by himself, two departments one of which doesn't even fall under his jurisdictoin. Nobody said that, read the wiki. I asked you to do your job, your job is to delegate department not equip militia. I even bolded the parts which described what job you were supposed to be doing but I guess I'll have to capitalize the letters next time too. Yes this is very valid here. I believe you are telling me that I should have handed out all access to the civilians, gave them rifles from the armory, and promoted a command member to each department, taking acting captain-hood for myself, and bravely overseeing a stunning military operation to secure the station. Baseless assumption, disregarded. Your own personal interpretation of what the HoP is, appears to be incorrect. Ditto.

She was not trusted, it's why you titled her "HoP deputy"? " a person who is given the power to do something instead of another person, or the person whose rank is immediately below that of the leader of an organization: " But I won't be anal about it and consider that perhaps you simply failed to find the "correct" term at the time and gave "deputy" as a quick thinking thing. Even then how was she incapable of holding 6 people in one room by entertaining them? The people stayed there because they had a good time, not because you ordered them to have a good time. They could have had a good time without you, sure maybe not AS much of a good time but still a good time. Your presence was not required, it was required elsewhere. You might think of yourself as useless but a head of personnel is one of the most useful heads in such a critical round, doubly so when access to the AI is involved. I apologise, I wrote that part wrong. Due to the nature of my work I usually only have time to respond in longer posts near or after midnight. "Futher your character considered the situation dire enough to grant emergency all-access to all of the station" is the one I assume you mean, what I meant by that was: "Your character considered the situation dire enough to want to grant emergency all access of the station, to the CE" Understandable, however doing the bare minimum of your work as an HoP, I.E opening the armory, opening doors to the bridge during the malf AI or granting officers extra access to the bridge, raising alert level or trying to swipe for ERT were non-violent actions. Then WHY is he a HoP? Because what you're saying here is that Jawdat isn't confident enough to do his own job properly, if you are not capable of doing something, you promote people who are. I.E the deputy. To quote the wiki, once again. You did not "stay in your lane", the equivalent of what you did is balancing on two tires at the edge of your lane leaving the rest of the lane empty, putting in the question why you were assigned an entire lane in the first place. Look I'm not trying to crucify you for what you did, but I have repeatedly quoted the wiki on what exactly your job is and you indeed have failed to meet the standards expected of a head of personnel, while it is admirable to have a character that knows less than more you have to understand that there is a time and place for mucking about. The six people had fun, but there were enough ahelps arriving to say that other people have found your actions either as unfun, unfair or immersion breaking and you have to pay attention to these people. I sincerely apologise if I came off as agressive or wanting to call you out or some such things, I do not want to see players be paraded around as examples of bad play. However from my position you have neglected your job to the point where it calls into question why your character in in the HoP position in the first place, this is where it becomes an OOC and an administrative issue.

Hold on partner, you just took off your wig there. You chose to stay, why? Did you not trust that the six adults could keep themselves entertained enough to not run away? Did you not trust your deputy who had until now done everything you asked for to keep the people there and make proper decisions? Did you think the crew would explode without you there? Was your character being a coward? Then we go deeper. " The ce declined to be acting captain but coordinated with security anyway." Se security and engineering were coordinating and it must have been successful as both blob and Malf AI were taken care of at the end, thus this raises the question of why your character was just so unable to communicate or delegate? Futher your character considered the situation dire enough to grant emergency all-access to all of the station, however upon refusal never thought to pick it up himself? (This is understandable, characters can be reluctant to get more responsibilities then they already have). And here is the nailgun to the unibrow, "I was not asked to appoint a hos or acting captain. My goal was to keep nonessential crew safe and occupied." "I was not asked to appoint a hos or acting captain" Correct, you were not asked to do your job. In short I have now realized that in the end synth did not warn you for NOT doing something. He has warned you for CHOSING to DO the one thing that lead to nothing. Lastly I aknowledge the evacuation as a good move, however again that could have been done by underlings. Opinion piece: It is very easy to staple intent to actions after said actions have been done.