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Is this not also true of toxins? It takes a little bit of real-world knowledge to unlock the potential, and then the sky's the limit. Still we see that the potential isn't widely abused because if the scrutiny always placed in it - if you overstep whatever invisible threshold is there, you get in trouble, IC or OOC. Personally, I've always thought this was a strength of the role... It plays very uniquely because of that barrier, and is rewarding if you work through it. Now, whether or not it's overpowered... Seems to depend on what you try to accomplish with it. Like toxins, again. Well 1: The use of toxins is limited due to the obvious rules. 2: Toxins still takes about 10-20 minutes as you need to properly heat up/test the canisters if they actually work. 3: If you fuck up toxins once, you're dead. Technically telescience takes time too, but it's not mechanically enforced as you wait until phoron heats up, the only limit is your own calculations.

The issue with Telescience is that, unlike every other job it doesn't have a climb. While every other job restricts you artificially by either not having everything unlocked immediatly(robotics), requiering materials(science), needing other jobs to assist(Chef/botany), have to wait a certain time before it procs(Entire station/SM), rely on uncommon mobs/RNG/positioning(Xenobio,security,cargo,mining,xenoarch) or simply have to build up to a point (chemistry, virology). Telescience like Chaplain and Psychologist, relies on your IRL education and math skills, not how well you can memorize the wiki or how good/lucky you are at the game. This creates a large divide, the people who know how to calculate it which makes them feel smarter and the people who don't know how to calculate who only feel dumber when doing this job (me). This leads to one side calling it powergaming, as you can simply use software/spreadsheet to calculate 1:1 ratio in the first 5 minutes of EVERY round no matter what happens with zero research (unless someone literally sprints in there and steals your crystals) while the other calls it easy because "Everyone can do it". It ends in one side afraid of using it for being labeled as powergamers just by using it on ANYTHING and the other bashing it as powergaming because of how it requires IRL knowledge and thus is extremely easy for some and unusable for others. The job of telescience benefits you when you put a single round of effort into it and then you never have to put the effort in again as the formula is completely identitcal each time (with minor number adjustements),

The coding issue is assumed, because unlike a fryer you would need to click on the machine itself with your empty hand (While the mob is kept underneath it) which would need to register as a valid container (since dispenser won't dispense without a beaker) and you would need to click on the specific condiment each time.

Not a bad idea, however I doubt this would be easy to code. Perhaps make them work like fryers, when you shove someone under a chem dispenser a completely random chemical is dispensed onto them or perhaps the last chemical selected.

It would be appreciated if you made a "Post-essay" thread where the playerbase could give input after everyone(majority) has submitted theirs.

I accept your apology and I likewise apologise for getting overly hostile in Msay or if I came off as overly "ban hungry". But we shall not come to an agreement regarding both those points and thus I'll wait for Alberyk's resolution.

Tight. District 5, "Homewood", not only for the ironic name but also because frankly if he came from a worse district, why would there even be a Xenobotany exhibition there? But because District 5 is right next to District 6 which happens to be a lot worse and thus would allow the owner to keep up his somewhat shady practices without having to ride god knows where. This gives me an idea. This guy already harvests the xenoplants for drugs, Nymphs are pretty dang edible and hell perhaps you could call them a rare delicacy as I assume not everyone is growing nymphs daily and knowing how to exactly cook them as they would need acid, but guess who gets access to acid. That's right, acids are pretty common in proffesional gardens as certain mixtures require them, (I've actually heard this from my local florist who I delievered roses for a while, apperantly it's cheaper to mix your own weed killers than buy ones if you're skilled at chemistry) So let's say this guy grows nymphs, feeds them fatter rats than usual, let's them bulk up and sells them out for slaughter, I'm guessing he'd probably keep them in a room with a very limited light and movement, just like growing animals on the black market. WSFTS stumbles into the back, finds these pretty dumb, limited and fattened nymphs and thus it is most likely easy for it to convince them to merge together and leave it as the leading Dionea, however most likely it gains absolutely nothing regarding knowledge or understanding and it would feel somewhat dissapointed, this would teach it an important question. That even Dionaea can be weak. The thing is, if you're working as a bouncer nobody really checks who you are, doubly so when you're a dionaea, while yes their names stand out, face by face they're almost identical. Thus I'm guessing it wouldn't really grab much attention or raised eyebrows if it applied for the job, got it and only then working towards its green card. Biesel Institute of Medical Science, popular choice as it must be the strongest. I guess you are right, however I don't want to close off this character to one specialized environment and would rather keep my eyes open to new possibilities. I already played a surgeon many many times and you could call this OOC attitude influencing IC, but basically I wish to see a bit more. Additionally: Fuck it, he's 80 why not.

Hi. So far yes Also correct. Thank you for the compliment. Biesel, with how laws take nymphs as animals he simply kept it as a pet. Seeds he most likely acquired legally as I said it was more of a xenobotanical exhibition where the owner abused the fact he had access to so many xenoflora to do wack dope. I am not exactly sure if nymphs in-game work the same as nymphs in-lore as you can plant a pod and harvest it, if that's not possible I'd guess he managed to talk his way into a nymph or two splitting from an existing gestalt under the promise of xenobotanical endavours. I do realize I left it out, however a Museum/Exhibition is a public thing and in public things tend to break pretty often, in a botanical exhibition doubly so as there are hundreds of lights to provide the proper amount of lumens. It simply observed someone breaking a lightbulb, tried it for itself, perhaps it got hit by a current or smitted by glass. The owner came over and replaced it, it tried to scurry up and he he hit it. It's why I wrote, if I remember correctly, "For the tenth time he broke the lightbulb", to show how slowly it learned by itself and the keeper being a lazy stoner basically never bothered to change the type of lightbulb or maybe build a fence around it it was more like ape-ish learning, repeating a task over and over, trial&error. What changed, well the incident changed the small Nymph, while yes it was content and a mighty mouse foe, it realized it wasn't strong, the keeper owned it, he was the strong one. Additionally Nymphs are curious creatures and I assume it looked at the keeper as a giant bank of information and curiosities. Regarding the last question, I'd imagine they discovered the body of what they knew or atleast strongly suspected was a drug taking keeper with the lid to a nymph enclosure open and him next to some illicit substances. People that abuse drugs tend to get cought on the smallest on issues and give up, I imagine he gave up on searching for the nymph after a few minutes and opted to blaze himself in order to cope with the negative emotions. Of course I ommitted all the explorations of the house as I wanted to "get on with it" as my brain slowly collapsed in on itself. However it was a combination of it wanting to be stronger than the owner and also the fact it simply never got any other interaction with any other living creature outside of eating it. However SUCCING the keeper gave it quite the understanding on what is and isn't allowed. Then it differs from the in-game mechanics as I assumed if it simply gained enough biomatter it could turn into a big boy. But I guess not, I'll rewrite that later today then. I admit I left this out because I hoped you wouldn't notice, I couldn't find absolutely anything on the wiki on how a dionea can acquire a citizenship (as far as I know) and I was halfway into my application at the time so I felt like asking would only lead to me having to redo the whole thing and losing all drive. I'm a creatively impulsive person, this character concept has been in my mind for a few weeks however just that day I went "yeah why not lol". So allow me to ask, how would it be possible for a stray Dionaea to acquire citizenship on Biesel? Don't get me wrong, it was interested about psychology and I believe it probably read a few academics works in its free times. However that isn't strong, knowing what someone is going to do is easy, humans are predictable to it if you know their mindset, if you know what exactly makes them tick towards a goal, this wasn't strenght. And there is one thing no warrior is able to beat, no matter how extremely powerful, giant, monumental they are. Death. Beating death is in itself an expression of strenght, being able to revive someone and quite literally ripping them out of deaths hands is strenght. WSFTS quickly realized that "Strenght" isn't a physicial concept. Jimmy over there was "stronger" than Amy, however his dad was stronger than Jimmy. The owner was physically stronger than the nymph, but that didn't stop it from "beating him". It realized physical strenght is fleeting. Same with the IPC, The Soldier, The Drunkards in bar. The IPCs could have perhaps ripped their owners apart, however their morality kept them from becoming strong and not dying, moral strenght. The soldier might have been physically stronger than the IPC, however his emotional state has shown that he could be destroyed by other means I.E his wife divorcing him and him having no abillity to subvert it, juristictional strenght. The Drunkards were strong, even if they were weaker than WSFTS, but what made them truly weak was their addiction that tied their tongues and made them stumble around, the strenght of addiction. But a surgeon? Who can really surprass him outside of natural death or complications? Nobody. Age is what I avoided, but I very much stressed a lot of "waiting". Someone doesn't get money to get enough education in a few years, I'd estimate it somewhere between 40-50 years old. However I think I'll be changing them from surgeon to a general Medical Doctor as it makes more sense for them. As standart a doctorate I.E 10 years, four year residency in the local hospital and one year course as a masseur. I can't really tell what the last thing was as I never gave it any thought. However what the last two truly mean is the title of it as a licensed physician. And the fact that it expressed that NanoTrasen is de factor the strongest company and thus it is only logical to work for them. Here you go :v)

I'll roll back on the Paramedic, sure you can make standart chems for your belt. I'll roll back on Rail, not because of "Muh IRL" argument, but simply because Sytic came out and said that you do only ONE brain operation. Prior to that post nobody really specifed what "Allowed to be surgeon" means, yes you did say you "I also need to re-iterate that, with Rail particularly, I am now at a point where people know him for his specialties. I am often asked by Kyla Milne, for instance, to take care of cerebral trauma cases as they come in. " This never really specified anything and frankly I'm more prone to trust the wording of notes as players tend to sweeten up their complaints. Still I'm not okay with putting my hand in the mouth of the metaphorical Fenrir for this and again, I don't think we'll reach a consensus on this because. LET'S BREAK IT DOWN You mean the rules? A made up set of unrealistic expectations and restrictions which the players are not allowed to break? Yes it feels "unrealistic" because having rules upholded by invisible gods who can as much delete you aswell as turn you into a corgi isn't very "realistic". HRP =/= Realism, our setting is in no real way realistic outside of basic believes we hold IRL, I.E that gravity exists, that humans aren't insane and that we don't eat food through vomitting our stomach out on it and letting it digest externally. More like IRL, maybe, more likely in-game? Doubtful, refer to above post. Yes, just as we might let a CE setup the engine and build and AI core while not letting an engineer do that. Yes, just as we might let an RD work in Robotics and RnD. Yes, just as we might let the captain be both a captain and know something from a department they come from. Yes, just as we might let the HoP have the skill to be both good at shooting guns and paperwork. Yes, heads are expected to be more skilled in their departments. NO, this doesn't contradict what I said earlier, they are expected to know MORE, not everything there is to know. It's called balance, there is only one CMO on the entire station and his job is whitelisted for a reason. To make sure that players don't use these roles as extra-access doctors/psych/surgeon/chemist/virologist hybrids. I could say "Yeah but MD doesn't mean neurosurgery," however that's dumb and a shoddy excuse so I'll concede that you're right on this one. Alright, how does this make you different from any other person who said they know this and this and that? The backstory? Your species? Your age? The things they used to defend their skillsets over and over and over? "My security officer used to be a marine, so of course he knows how to fix bones" "I'm a Dionaea, so it means I can jobhop because they're smarter than humans" "My surgeon is 70 years old, so yeah realistically he can have 4 doctorates" This is a game, throwing balance and fairness out the window because of RP is how servers die. Yes, sometimes we make OOC staff decisions that ruin things ICly, this is how things work. While yes me bwoinking, Smacking of Wet Noodles, the Dionea cargo technician, who decided to clone his friend because "No doctors was around to do it" might distrupt the fact he spent the last 3 months of his gameplay telling everyone how good at cloning he is but it won't make me change my decision. Because he has too wide of a skillset. All in all I am not willing to back-up on my second claim. Let's see what Alberyk has in store.

I agreed on the paramedics thing, I don't plan sending a personal perfumed letter to everyone saying I already accepted that was my mistake. https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=8850 This is what I'm using and this is what I'll be using unless specified by deciding staff, JB or Cake respectively. I do respect what you wrote, I read it and I aknowledge you know way more than me in this. I am not academically read or even casually on medical sciences. However you could be Dr.Phil writing to me from CNN and I wouldn't back up on this, this is a game, there are standarts set by someone and I respect those standarts and enforce those standarts. I accept it is possible to do REALISTICALLY however REALISTICALLY cats don't sing. And I am not willing to make an exception in any sort of PsychXSurgeon crossover. Jenn I can't respond to you any other way than, you have to grit your teeth through it. I didn't mean to "kick the ball away from you", instead I hoped to reach a consesus with Cake and you regarding the paramedic thing, I admitted it was my mistake I misinterpreted it, I don't know what else you want regarding that if I could do a frontflip I would. My position on Rail Psych/Surg stands and at the time Nursie and Cake agreed with me, not sure if they still do but hey, admin decisions change, I'm only human, they're humans, you are human, investigations don't get postponed until both parties are unstressed, we seek to do them as best and as fast as possible. Again, I fucked up, I said I fucked up, I said I'm willing to change the note. But No decision is concrete, everything is subject to change.

It is specifically against rules to know "too much", and if you see CMO's doing practically every single job in medbay you should most likely ahelp it. The role of a head allows you SOME flexibility but you are not only not expected to know every job but you are also discouraged, a head knowing every job just means it's some asshole who whitelisted to get extra access. You should probably ahelp that, however do take in mind most CMO's simply have Chemistry/Surgery and skip out on every other job like Virology and Psychology which you don't see because those two cases rarely need to be treated. That is acceptible. That is arguable, but comparing a skrell to an IPC is like comparing a Tesla and a Jet Car. Sure the Jet Car is way way faster but put it outside its lane and it crashes. The Tesla is reliable but not prone to going off-road. Also we have yet to see a Skrell with a too wide skillset since the new update hit, most likely because skrell are "not in" right now. The cheating was too much perhaps yes, but what I called ""cheating"" is not against the rules so I most likely wouldn't be bwoinking for it, I shall bwoink when a skillset is considered too wide, I have already allowed certain individuals to jobhop when they provided a good enough explanation and backstory and there is a reason why I'm not the only admin you can message if you want to multi-job, we discuss these things. I have no idea what you tried to say here, sorry.

While a psychiatrist is yes, a licensed doctor a paramedic has a COMPLETELY different meaning and I mean COMPLETELY on a country by country basis, aditionally Nuerosurgery is an extremely specific and extremely dedicated thing and so far as many people I've discussed this they agreed it's a bit too much. For example we do not distinguish between a Paramedic and an EMT, in some places there are no EMT's, in some places there are strange and weird amalgamations. THIS is why we have the medical guideline, we are a server with made up rules and made up history. There are people from cultures all over the world and ergo someone had to set a certain standart for medical, which was set and I shall always reference it. Furthermore I don't think it's fair that certain characters are allowed to jobhop while others are not, I dislike jobhopping in general and if it were up to me I'd forbid it completely, thus I can seem a bit more strict. However a Surgeon is already a very contested role, if my memory servers correctly after the Medical Doctor it is the most picked medbay job and a character created SPECIFICALLY to play in that job should all in all have the right to be preffered when picking that job. The whole power and excitement of SS13 relies on the jobs being important, on the fact that when a vitali link is missing the whole station operates slower. When nobody can setup the engine, no power is generated. When the surgeon goes traitor? People are going to die. When mining falls down holes? No minerals are being made. Wide skillsets inhibit this play and in the end gimp antags and their efforts to sabotage a round by simply going "No it doesn't matter you targeted surgeons specifically so it would be harder for security to recover, MY character can do it too." I'd regard that as cheating.

What is it with Unathi and losing their limbs, it's like the Ken dolls they just come right off constantly and have to be replaced. Joking, the story is good enough I'd say more interesting and more refined than your Tajara story, I feel like you had a clearer picture in your head when making this and it really shows. Outside of that Geeves is a fun player to have around, sometimes he stumbles with his roleplay and can get "rushy rushy" into antag/exciting situations with characters that shouldn't really be there. However it has yet to pose a problem outside of a minor eyeroll from me. So yes, he gets my :thumbsup:

Well darn tootin' dangit, I've come to a bit of a different resolution with cake m'self and it was perhaps my fault that I didn't pry for further info. You see the thing I focused on in that image is the "emergency" part, I.E "Literally nobody else can do this job so I shall do it" rather than the standard chemistry and that is perhaps my bad. BUT I'm not an unreasonable person, I took steps to let you get used to these new restrictions we set in place. When you asked for a second opinion I called Alberyk which I frankly needn't do, he agreed with me. Even then I worded my vote that it is subject to change as I said that I'll speak with Cake, however I saw his comment in Lorechat about contacting certain people and thus I waited for him instead, which did arrive and I did change said note where he more or less agreed with me on the situation that was happening where you were stocking the fridge as a paramedic. And let me shine a light on this issue, as this wasn't the matter of a single interaction and I certainly wasn't "hunting you down". This all started way back, I have been below average on my server activity (Gotta love that RB6:Siege) and even if I do join the game I don't pay overt attention as I'm either playing my Mechatronic Engineer or ghosting antags since those tend to be the wrench in the rule machine most of the time, so I was not aware of Swift doing things, Rail being a surgeon or JAIS bypassing restrictions thus it might seem like I "Jumped" on you, but this was simply due to the fact that one thing attracted my attention and it led me to taking apart your whole tapestry. One day however a message dropped in admin or moderator chat, can't remember which, where someone asked something along the lines of "can a paramedic deconstruct doors". This peaked my curiosity and I started to explore, on the other side I found you, Jenn, not only saying in Msay "It's okay because you just rip out some electronics" to the at the time mod, but this ahelp was sent by the Chief Engineering who offered his help in deconstructing the door which you refused and told him you can do yourself. While mechanically it is "ripping out some electronics", we also don't let non-engineers upgrade the SMES because "It's just changing a few breakers". It requires you to not only know you can do this, but to weld the door shut, locate the position of those electronics and successfully pry them out. This is on the level of hacking a door open. But I trusted the judgment of said mod, thus I simply worded my displeasure in Mod Chat and quit pursuit. However next time I was on server I got another ahelp, "Is the paramedic allowed to make chems to stock the fridge?" I wasn't sure at first so I looked at the medical guide provided by JB, "NEVER" it said, okay. Thus I bwoink you, you once again bring it into Msay, okay, then you also take it into dsay because Kyres1 was present at the time and he supported you. You even called for a second opinion. I bwoink Alberyk, he comes on agrees with me. At the time I had the guide JB provided, my thoughts and Alberyk's second opinion against you and Kyres1 so I assumed it was reasonable to note you. Yet still I was open to criticism and so I left it subject to change as I told you to contact Cake about it if you find it a problem who later contacted me about it. You decided to cryo, leave the game for 20 minutes and then reconnect as another character. Fast-forward a few days and it's dead-hour, the CE goes into cryo and you ahelp if you are allowed to setup the engine as "You don't want to get yelled at over radio", you asked for this because your IPC, Creatia, as you said yourself can only build things. Me and Flim agreed on a no as it would be breaking character and instead I said I'm willing to join as a borg and set it up, I needed to look at engineering anyways at the time as I've never worked the job and wish to learn a bit about it. So you decide to take your grievances to dsay where a player was asking about something, I think the CE, where you decide to call our restrictions "assbackwards". Now at this point I admit I was angry, in my mind I extended my hand to you and you spat in my face for it. So I said "Pick one job and fucking stick with it, everyone else does it", which was on my end overly aggressive in hindsight. Realizing that I immediately started typing up "If you're upset over these changes go to the forum and address the issue instead of calling them "assbackwards" because you don't like them, Abosh and everyone else worked very hard to create a base on which every player could agree on and that would be fair to everyone", note these are not precise quotes but the closest I remember them. When I finished typing this I noticed you type, "Don't, I'm not in the mood for this" which made me even angrier as in my mind I saw this as you being able to call us out but us not being allowed to shoot back, I judged you're not made of glass and sent the above post having written the extra "Neither am I in the mood" to the beginning of this. You responded by going to cryo, disconnecting and then joining back 20 minutes after as another character. Later that day I explored your notes further and I found something very interesting, "Rail is allowed to be a psychologist and a surgeon", this is in your notes, however it relates to your tendency to make characters with wide skillsets and other people can see you int those jobs so I'm not afraid to share it. I discussed this in administrator chat and a few people seemed to agree this was too much, however I withheld my judgment as this was note by [mention]nursiekitty[/mention] and not me and opted I'll bring it up with [mention]CakeIsOssim[/mention] and see if he agrees with me, after all I am stepping on his toes. However Cake was one step ahead of me and contacted me we had the above discussion, I talked to Nursie and she agreed that Rail being a surgeon AND a psychologist is too much. As neurosurgery and psychology are about as related as shoe polishing and shoe making. On the above I wrote the note. This morning [mention]ShameOnTurtles[/mention] hits me like a blunt, saying that you're making "basic chems for EMT belt", I referred him the previous discussion with Cake and exclaimed my own personal distaste with EMT/Paramedics in general requireing Bicard/Dex+/Dermaline as these three chems basically make anyone that isn't a surgeon obsolete since they can fix anything. This had no relevance however as Flim told me and I admitted to. I'll gladly change the wording of this note and I agree I misinterpreted it, thus you can consider the complaint resolved. Response to additional notes: So no, I wasn't harassing you, I was doing what I do, moderating. I am en equalist, if something bites the rules I'll swipe at it be it a player, lore developer or another moderator. Perhaps the fact you've never really experienced a serious bwoinking before this plays a part in you thinking I harassed you. Furthermore I don't know why you said, "I'm not here to get further upset at anyone.", when you bring up JAIS to make yourself look like a bit less of an extreme, this is manipulation. If you had an issue you should have either ahelped, made a player complaint or PM'd an admin instead of using them as a distraction. Additionally, Thanks to this Cake and Kyres have been pushed to work on a synthetic specification faster, making it easier for anyone in the future. to specify this and I've personally been told what I should consider a wide skillset or not regarding IPCs by Cake. If you have further issues, https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=10337 this thread about jobhopping is STILL OPEN FOR ANYONE WHO IS READING THIS AND YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS IN THERE.

Everyone said what I wanted to say more or less, RNG is not a good balancer and Telescience is barebones as is. Sure you can "Guess" where that shit lands based on 8th grade math but getting the machine to actually hit 1:1 reliably is a bit trickier, mainly now when the map is so fucking big and we have 3 layers.

The issue I find with this is exactly the size of it. Now touching the shuttle is a nono according to the shuttle during a voted transfer, alright. Departures too why not. But what about security checkpoint? What about elevators? Perhaps the hallway leading to transfers? Or maybe the hallway leading to elevators? The question is, where do we stop enforcing this rule as every admin can stretch this differently as I can effectively stop a transfer just by blowing up the hallway leading to departures next to the elevators. So where exactly would you draw the line?

Let me start with the fact that I indeed wrote a 3 page essay on Tajara fasion about 8 hours after Mofo1995 announced hte position and thus I speak from I think position of someone who has gone through the ordeal and thus I think I have quite the amount of information. And strangely enough I somewhat agree, while Mofo said ANYONE who writes the 3 page essay is getting accepted, I have to admit that later on the pages were bit of an asspull as I had to make up lore almost off the top of my head and make some quite wide assumptions. (That might have been because I wrote 3 pages about Tajara fashion.) I was told that I practically shit ideas so I might be speaking from a privileged position and this might be a lot harder for others than me, but I think that is a bit subjective. Not really the main issue just a side-gripe. My main issue isn't detailed within Xander's post and that is, well secrecy. While yes you can call lore-deputy whitelists a "popularity contest" the fact is other people get to come in and put their two cents into the opinion slot machine and in some cases this can make or break an application, as for example some people might raise points that someone talks the talk but does not walk the walk in-game, this comes in useful as our Loredevs have been somewhat known to not frequent the game as much as regular players and frankly even those players aren't on 24/7 (most). While I appreciate the positive outlook of pumping out more lore and something I wished to push for with my application at the end of last year, I realize that this isn't a job and a lot of people DO have jobs in REAL LIFE and don't want this passion project to turn into a soul-sucking demon. It would also be very interesting to do Xander's first solution and apply this standart to EVERY LORE MEMBER, as I think this would make quite a lot of people who took up the position, turned AFK for 10 months and fucked right off, well impossible to sign up as the three pages require quite the concentrated effort and dedication. HOWEVER you cannot forget how skimpishly small certain lore venues are, dionaea and IPCs come to mind or how certain lore is pretty much covered from all venues and there is quite the tight little box regarding what is allowed regarding the species, I'd point this at Vaurcae (Who have been quite boxed until the arrival of the new queen which offers a bit more variety.) I do not disagree with either of those ideas, I'm simply pointing at the bad side of the coin. If I were to advise anything, I would like Mofo1995 to perhaps create a "Post-whitelist thread" where community members could freely post about their issues with that and those players. (And stop using "grooming" ffs mofo I ain't a dog mate)

I know about the meme, I didn't base it on the meme and I frankly have no other set of phrases that would really describe the charcter outside of those words. And "The Inadequate Must Be Afraid of Those Superior" won't fit

While I don't agree with the others, I agree with this one. Something like this could force vampires into actually getting some blood as soon as possible instead of walking around doing nothing as they increase their chance of detection.

Well one bulldog isn't a shotgun and two we already have an LMG that functions exactly the same way as yours.

Well the question is, what do they offer? Like why would I take that instead of the trusted Bulldog or the Traitor gun? You could make them stronger but that just results in powercreep and if you make them weaker, well who'll use them? Plus WHO will use them? Will they just sit on theirr ass in code unloved and unwanted? Raiders, I mean raiders get a fuckton of random guns already there would be a minimal chance of these spawning. WHY exactly would we get these guns outside of "I want them" and "It won't hurt anyone," because I feel like the code is already cluttered with plenty of un-used sprites.

27 characters too many get FUCKED I was told it was 32 by everyone I asked, oh well.

BYOND Key: Coalf Character Names: Katya Al-Tahara, Dane Huey, Scoop, Patrick Huey, Elwood Hoover, PES Species you are applying to play: Dionaea What color do you plan on making your first alien character (Dionaea & IPCs exempt): Green Have you read our lore section's page on this species?: Yes Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph format. One paragraph minimum per question Why do you wish to play this specific race: Frankly until recently I considered Dionaea a low-tier RP garbage with gimmicky characters and no real impact on the station, so I'd like to see if I'm wrong. Secondly, I've been given an opportunity to play a dionaea already as a merc player (A dion) had to leave, the issue was they have captured a player as a prisoners and it would be stupidly unfair to the player to simply remain stuck in a cell for the whole round. I tried to fetch someone with a whitelist at first in deadchat but nobody was available, thus holding the wiki in one hand and taking advice from another dionea player off-of discord who was not present in game I started to act and quite frankly I very much enjoyed the slower paced yet still intelligently gifted tree gameplay. Identify what makes role-playing this species different than role-playing a Human: Of course I could list all the gameplay differences for easy goodboi credits but I find that pointless, so I'll give my thoughts. The same thing that makes IPCs different from Humans, no real history. But unlike IPCs a lot of the things that really shape Dindin's are mechanically enforced or atleast easily spotted by other players, making it much harder for Treeboi whitelisters to break their own whitelist rules and make characters that are too far from the intended idea of the species. Aditionally the mindset itself is interesting, while humans would consider something logical and automatically assumed it might be quite different for a dionea, yet their intelligence allows them to symphathize quite a lot with humans but not really emphathize. Character Name: Weak Should Fear Strong Please provide a short backstory for this character, approximately 2 paragraphs Weak Should Fear The Strong(WSFTS from now on) awoke for the first time, in a Xenofloral Exhibition, WSFTS didn't move because it didn't have to, it was warm, bright and from time to time small critters were thrown into its glassy home to be crushed and devouvered. However it had insatiable curiosity that could not be easily quenched. But the owner was quite strict and the first few years were spent inside that prison, watching and listening, waiting as unlike other Nymphs WSFTS had to learn alone through simple observation, not consumption. It learned many things in is prison, or well it thought it was many things, for example Basic, Gutter, The use of basic household appliances, Rat Anatomy, Who won the Ultrabowl last night and that the owner snipped parts of plants for his own use such as eating, smoking and injecting, but there was one lesson that stuck above all. While WSFTS was vivisecting the new creature that was thrown to it, it witnessed a human boy take vast interest in it. Suddenly the light went out, it was confused and scared, then it went back on, everything was okay, light off, scared, light on okay, light off, light on, light off, light on, yell. Someone yelled at the boy to stop, another human this one with longer hair, the larger human pushed the new one down and kicked it in the face two more rushed in much taller than the little one, effortleslly they dragged him off and the larger one started beating the smaller one, this interested WSFTS and shaped its whole life. A few weeks later WSFTS broke the lightbulb in its tray by unscrewing the bulb and cutting the ever small pieces inside it then screwing it back on, for the tenth time. It had learned that if it stays in one place and doesn't move, the owner won't have the need to restrain it, again it waited patiently until her reached inside and then, up, up his arm, down the pants, under the table and into the ventilation. Free. However it was too curious to be free, too curious to the surroundings it didn't want to know more about the outside world it wanted to know more about the people observing it, poking it, tapping on the glass, tap tap tap. At night when the owner passed out from drug use, it snuck into his little place where he used the plants and for the first time in its life, WSFTS fed on knowledge. It ate and ate, the fauna, flora, each chemical within his blood broken down and analyzed, studied, known. After it was done, the small nymph emerged from the building as a full grown Dionaea, now with its basic hungers satiated it turned to the next biggest database of knowledge, Extranet. The next visit was the public library where after being given some weird looks it learned everything it needed to know, chemicals, pain, pleasure, addictions, fear, strenght, power, weakness. WSFTS closed the book on neurosurgery and knew its next course of action. Through simpe intimidation WSFTS was reluctantly accepted as a bouncer, this job proved to be quite suitable for the Dionea as nobody really dared to mess with the 8 foot tall tree capable of squishing your head like a watermelon. Rats, Light and water was all provided for and all WSFTS had to do was wait, and so it waited and waited until enough money could be attained and enough lessons could be learned. And so it learned, and got money, and spent money, and waited, it was all quite interesting. A few times it saw what seemed like walking Arthropoids, Vaurca, interesting, those were new but after watching them operate it took no interest, they were boring, bug-like in apperance and behaviour. The unbound were a different case, but hard to come by. The humans screamed at them, threw cans but they never yelled back. One day the humans simply gave up. Weakness, strenght. Some men from Sol came once, they broke the machines, one of them begged for its life even if it didn't live. The man broke it, Seargent Jeremiah O'Harriam, he had bags under his eyes and his clutched teeth expressed anger as he stamped on the dead synthetic. Divorced, wife took child, Spacebook was a very interesting place for WSFTS too. Eventually the time came, Weak Should Fear The Strong, PhD. It was logical to sign up for NanoTrasen, they were the strongest. What do you like about this character? Weak Should Fear The Strong was a character concept I've had rolling in the back of my head for some quite time. WSFTS is for me a character that finds understanding and interest in the psychological and logical pathways of other breathing, living, organisms. It likes to know what makes them tick, what makes them angry, what makes them happy and as its namesake implies, it wants to know what it means to be strong. It isn't however cruel, or cold. It's simply calculating and understanding that some creatures must accept the consequences and die and while it holds a lot of sympathy it never feels bad when someone dies because someone else killed them, it feels like that is the natural order but by going against that natural order, WSFTS itself becomes stronger than the force that tried to crush the weaker organism, surpassing it. This is why it leans on being a surgeon and saving lives. To be the strongest. How would you rate your role-playing ability? Ten outta ten I'm practically living my character my man. When I play a Tajara? I fucking shave a rug and sprinkle that shit into my fucking pants bro. Shieet when I played a skrell? I always kept a bucket near me to dip my sauces in to keep myself properly lubricated for that role. Whenever I play command I tend to shove a stick up my ass to properly emulate the command mindset. Why do we have this question again? Notes: I went a bit overboard with the backstory, also it's exactly 00:00 where I live so spooky. ALthough the scariest part has to be the grammar in this lmao. Feel free to fix shit.

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