Absolute State

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

My character has not interacted with yours at all in any way since you accepted our resolution.

in addition you have never had an issue with any of my other chars doing this. There is no metagrudge. I stopped like you asked and now youre complaining i wont talk to you.

You are changing the goalpost. You called me to my face a sex creep as a player in an ooc way. Now youre saying its only ic. This is why i think you are bullying through character assassination.

[Sytic]

We have methodologies to handle this. Grab a recorder and bait them into being a dick to you, or take Tcomms logs. Send it in an IR. Sexism is bad and will get treated poorly in Tau Ceti. Then if they do it again, send another IR, the character will probably be straight up fired.

If you want methods for handling this ICly, go with that. I believe Jackboot is taking it a step across a line by repeatedly bruteforcing it into their RP, beyond the Unathi. They repeatedly fuck with Skrellian individuals, treating them as property, and generally go out of their way to make their character a bully on-station should you choose to disagree with them. This makes them not fun to play with. And I have not a shadow of a doubt that if you decided to IR them, and eventually after a string of IR's their character failed to settle down (doesn't seem in their nature honestly), and they got deleted, Jackboot would probably get very pissed as I don't doubt that they're attached to the character.

But instead of taking this outside the player complaint, or using the IC methods of handling douchebags like this (just get Sec to bully them every round or use an IR or both), you brought this to a public forum with no holds barred so you could shittalk the guy. Low blow, Burger.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

10 minutes ago, Sytic said:

We have methodologies to handle this. Grab a recorder and bait them into being a dick to you, or take Tcomms logs. Send it in an IR. Sexism is bad and will get treated poorly in Tau Ceti. Then if they do it again, send another IR, the character will probably be straight up fired.

This is so mean! This shouldn't be what IRs are for. Wtf? Baiting someone into an IR.... we should remove IRs if this is what theyve turned into. IRs should not be weapons that you use to get someone fired anymore than a player complaint is.

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Marlon Phoenix

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Please refer to me by my actual name.

[Sytic]

If you get harassed, and you need evidence that you are being harassed, innately letting yourself be in a position to be harassed again and prompting them to continue the same behavior, is bait. And if they don't do it, then your problem is already solved, because it's shown that they've matured past the previous scenario and won't continue the same behavior.

IR's are for handling repeated behavior, similar to what HR is. You can suspend a motherfucker 20 times and they'll still show up- IR's are when you escalate it, kick it up a notch. This is where an IR would work, but to do that you need evidence. If you prompt them in the same way that you unknowingly prompted them before to continue their same behavior, that is bait, but justifiable- Even if the other person is, quote unquote, "asking for it", that doesn't make it acceptable behavior. Unless they literally ask for it. Then I guess it's kinky? Whatever.

Point is, if you have a problem with someone, get some proof and some evidence, stack the situation against them, IR them. Do it a few more times and their character is deleted. They make a second character for the exact same purpose, Player Complaint, that character probably is deleted too or changed or modified somewhat, and a warning slapped on. If they escalate it to OOC, they get banned. Simple enough. Don't go from 0-100.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Sytic

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Ok yes. Its a tool for escalation.  You made it sound like an intentional method of getting someone fired.  If i ran around with a recorder on at all times i could IR about 5 people every round. Should i?

[BurgerBB]

10 minutes ago, Sytic said:

We have methodologies to handle this. Grab a recorder and bait them into being a dick to you, or take Tcomms logs. Send it in an IR. Sexism is bad and will get treated poorly in Tau Ceti. Then if they do it again, send another IR, the character will probably be straight up fired.

If you want methods for handling this ICly, go with that. I believe Jackboot is taking it a step across a line by repeatedly bruteforcing it into their RP, beyond the Unathi. They repeatedly fuck with Skrellian individuals, treating them as property, and generally go out of their way to make their character a bully on-station should you choose to disagree with them. This makes them not fun to play with. And I have not a shadow of a doubt that if you decided to IR them, and eventually after a string of IR's their character failed to settle down (doesn't seem in their nature honestly), and they got deleted, Jackboot would probably get very pissed as I don't doubt that they're attached to the character.

But instead of taking this outside the player complaint, or using the IC methods of handling douchebags like this (just get Sec to bully them every round or use an IR or both), you brought this to a public forum with no holds barred so you could shittalk the guy. Low blow, Burger.

A few things about this post. My original post did not mention him or his behavior; it was meant to talk about the general sexual behavior, not sexist behavior, of unathi players. The only time sexism was brought up in the original post was when I noticed that the justifications for sexual behavior were similar to the justifications used in real life for women and men receiving sexual harassment. I had no reason to mention Marlon in the post because administrators/mods are currently looking into it. They mentioned it anyways so I responded and here we are.

There is currently an IR up for his behavior, but it is currently being put on hold because they are wondering if this is an OOC issue or an IC issue.

[BurgerBB]

15 minutes ago, Marlon Phoenix said:

My character has not interacted with yours at all in any way since you accepted our resolution.

in addition you have never had an issue with any of my other chars doing this. There is no metagrudge. I stopped like you asked and now youre complaining i wont talk to you.

You are changing the goalpost. You called me to my face a sex creep as a player in an ooc way. Now youre saying its only ic. This is why i think you are bullying through character assassination.

You literally dragged a player that I was talking to away and said something in the other unathi language to them when I was mid conversation with them. I mentioned to security that you were with a cadet who screamed for help and you threatened to "report me."

I am not complaining that you won't interact with me, I am currently complaining that you acting like the older brother who is going "I'm not touching you! I can't get in trouble!" when you're poking me with a stick.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

He threatened to report you to try and silence you because he was an antag who wanted to eat the cadet. Hello?

[Sytic]

23 minutes ago, Marlon Phoenix said:

Ok yes. Its a tool for escalation.  You made it sound like an intentional method of getting someone fired.  If i ran around with a recorder on at all times i could IR about 5 people every round. Should i?

You can IR about 5 people every round. Won't make you any friends though, and with a meagre amount of evidence nor any evidence to hold you to being anyways affected by the issue it'll do approximately jack and just serve CCIA to warn you for trying to pick fights with crew. If you have a reason to be upset with someone, that's when you start evidence collecting.

[Aphelion]

Gotta say I misinterpreted your character entirely, mainly because in your exploitable information you literally says your Shaleez does porn

Sorry if my OOC comment about Shaleez being 'thicc Godzilla' was weird for you ?‍♂️

After realizing your character isn't what I thought, I've avoided doing that.

The small character description doesn't help unless you say that she is outright ugly, obese, and exhibiting of masculine features.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Aphelion

[Lmwevil]

i literally made an account to post here.

 

burger I have noted a trend of behaviour, I don't mean to point it out with malice but rather concern. after reviewing some 12 threads by or about you, you seem to be really overtly invested into the game. 

 

i respect being able to enjoy the game, as long term staff of /tg/. however dude you need to chill, like holy shit.  people really seem to struggle to listen to you once you get heated, even I struggle following it at times if honest

please please PLEASE don't assume this is an attack, it's a serious concern. i don't know you as a person and cannot claim over-investment or anything about you on that level, but it's clear you have a reputation for complaints that result in nothing other than you being upset and the people involved being upset

[BurgerBB]

56 minutes ago, Aphelion said:

Gotta say I misinterpreted your character entirely, mainly because in your exploitable information you literally says your Shaleez does porn

Sorry if my OOC comment about Shaleez being 'thicc Godzilla' was weird for you ?‍♂️

After realizing your character isn't what I thought, I've avoided doing that.

The small character description doesn't help unless you say that she is outright ugly, obese, and exhibiting of masculine features.

She... does not do porn. This is like saying it's okay to say some weird shit to Geeves' character because he is featured in a ScalesNStuff magazine. Guess I'm going to have to remove that.

[BurgerBB]

27 minutes ago, Lmwevil said:

i literally made an account to post here.

 

burger I have noted a trend of behaviour, I don't mean to point it out with malice but rather concern. after reviewing some 12 threads by or about you, you seem to be really overtly invested into the game. 

 

i respect being able to enjoy the game, as long term staff of /tg/. however dude you need to chill, like holy shit.  people really seem to struggle to listen to you once you get heated, even I struggle following it at times if honest

please please PLEASE don't assume this is an attack, it's a serious concern. i don't know you as a person and cannot claim over-investment or anything about you on that level, but it's clear you have a reputation for complaints that result in nothing other than you being upset and the people involved being upset

I think this is a pretty bad post honestly and honestly I hope you're not the same guy who messaged me on discord about a similar topic.

I'm invested in Aurorastation consider I play on it on a daily basis and have contributed quite a lot in terms of time and code when it comes to the development of the server. I have made many overhauls and feature improvements that have left a long-term impact on Aurorastation and I think I have a right to bring up shit like this instead of being a basic bitch and keeping everything I say quiet because people seem to believe it's better that way, when it actually isn't.

I am doing what I'm told by staff to do. All the complaint threads that you see are threads that staff have told me to make. I don't know if you read this thread but I am being told by staff I should've made more complaints. I am literally making less threads than staff have recommended me to do.

 

[Garnascus]

Im sorry but i do not really know what else to say here that has not already been said. I do agree though that "tummy rubs" are over that line of PG and.... really weird though. While what is creepy can definitely be subjective i do not think its impossible to evaluate subjective systems within each other. No rubbing tummys but i suppose you can hold hands. 

[BurgerBB]

14 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

Im sorry but i do not really know what else to say here that has not already been said. I do agree though that "tummy rubs" are over that line of PG and.... really weird though. While what is creepy can definitely be subjective i do not think its impossible to evaluate subjective systems within each other. No rubbing tummys but i suppose you can hold hands. 

The OP was intended as a general advisory of "Hey. This behavior exists and some people don't appreciate it, so if you're doing it or enabling it, you should probably stop." and not a "Hey admins, look at this situation. Ban people."

[goolie]

6 hours ago, BurgerBB said:

I think this is a pretty bad post honestly and honestly I hope you're not the same guy who messaged me on discord about a similar topic.

Hi that was me, (if you ARE talking about the similar topic we brought up) and the only reason as to why individuals are messaging you with concern is because you've mentioned before that your mental health is being affected by the threads @Lmwevil mentioned. I don't want to insert myself into your situation but if I was being negatively effected by all the threads that I created, I would probably lay off of it but, instead you're creating so many of these threads no wonder it is causing you stress. If you didn't want people to worry so much about you, you shouldn't bring personal problems up and relate them to issues on Aurora. Like the other guy, I'm not attacking you nor am I trying to upset you. There's just quite a few people that are now worried that you MAY be too invested into the server, and could probably do with stepping away. (Everyone needs to take a break!) 

[BurgerBB]

11 minutes ago, goolie said:

Hi that was me, (if you ARE talking about the similar topic we brought up) and the only reason as to why individuals are messaging you with concern is because you've mentioned before that your mental health is being affected by the threads @Lmwevil mentioned. I don't want to insert myself into your situation but if I was being negatively effected by all the threads that I created, I would probably lay off of it but, instead you're creating so many of these threads no wonder it is causing you stress. If you didn't want people to worry so much about you, you shouldn't bring personal problems up and relate them to issues on Aurora. Like the other guy, I'm not attacking you nor am I trying to upset you. There's just quite a few people that are now worried that you MAY be too invested into the server, and could probably do with stepping away. (Everyone needs to take a break!) 

Look, I appreciate the intent, but I do not like the unsolicited advice. My mental state is currently fine as I've been stepping away from the server frequently for a break. I've been playing Goonstation, Yogstation, Paradise Station, and constantly working on my own station. The worst thing that happened to me was IBS from eating crackers, not this thread.

[goolie]

35 minutes ago, BurgerBB said:

My mental state is currently fine as I've been stepping away from the server frequently for a break.

Completely understandable, I do hope everything sorts itself out. I wasn't trying to give you unsolicited advice, I was trying to explain why people are concerned for you on the server.

[SatinsPristOTD]

That tummy rub thing should have absolutely been ahelped, or... when reported to Paradox, it should have damn sure came with a note on that persons account. I'm sorry-- but a line was crossed there. It's not even an IC line. That is LOOC. It's the PLAYER projecting that onto you. You can pretend it's innocent and cute, but there's actual... fetishes about fat women and tummy rubbing. Saying that to someone you don't know is strange behavior. If at the very least, I hope that player was told "Yeah don't do that to strangers".

I can't vouch for unathi females. I can tell you the "dummy thicc" "milf" and other nonsense occurs about all female characters. (I stopped playing Cala for a while because of it.). It's one thing to make those jokes to your friends if you know they're okay with it, but someone you don't know? Weird and creepy.

You raise a few fair points. I counter the "just ahelp it" comments with pointing out exactly why we don't ahelp it. It becomes, as what Paradox called it, "Cringe" and nothing is actually done about it. It's hard to have faith in the system when the system responds that way.

[Scheveningen]

Posting here was a mistake. My OP was way too pretentious and long. tl;dr I really think we should focus more on what other people have to say than what one person might already think is the case. Intent's one thing, so's what people do as part of their action.

And yeah, "just ahelp it" is virtually all you can do. The alternative is doing nothing. You should not be comfortable doing nothing. I don't care if you have legitimate reasons for not wanting to ahelp it, that's part of the problem either way. Have the stones to at least talk to a staff member about something that happened, even if you don't think something will happen, you never know if you don't at least try.

If there is a growing sexist behavior problem in this community, the worst thing you can do is do nothing.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Scheveningen

[Carver]

6 hours ago, Scheveningen said:

If there is a growing sexist behavior problem in this community, the worst thing you can do is do nothing.

I'm pretty sure it's not sexist behaviour so much as 'thirsty' behaviour, per my previous post.

[Zundy]

Yeah I've seen thirsty posting turn bad in recent weeks. I think the main call out is for admins/mods to take it seriously and give people notes/strikes if the person that's getting the brunt of the thirst is not about it, has asked for it to cease and it hasn't. No one wants to be made uncomfortable playing here. I don't want to see strikes and notes being sent out for in jokes between players though i.e. at first sign as oft times it is a joke between a group of people. Getting DMed and shit essentially asking for lewds is creepy as hell imho.

[Scheveningen]

30 minutes ago, Carver said:

I'm pretty sure it's not sexist behaviour so much as 'thirsty' behaviour, per my previous post.

Hence why I said "if". I'm not saying there is, not saying there isn't either.

[Lolziam]

I've seen someone say once, not on these forums though:

"You never know who's behind that monitor, if those are really their fetishes or if that was just sarcasm, it might seem like a joke in game but that person might really have fantasies about what they're actually saying"

Still, that's unknown, we don't have to act as if they were actually trying to hunt you down and do it in real life. Take everything with a pinch of salt. Some people are offended? Ahelp it calmly. You think that's just a funny LOOC. Alright, don't answer to it and just keep playing. They keep doing it? Then ahelp it for sure.

 

But we shouldn't go hunting for something we believe it might be one way.

It's subjective.