MattAtlas

This was never my argument to begin with. I said I vote extended because I want there to be an antag, not because I expect there to be an antag. If there's no antag, I don't mind, I roleplay normally, it doesn't cripple my enjoyment of the game, I don't become paranoid, I don't literally spend every single second of my IC existence looking for antags, I just play the game normally, and I just find it annoying that I voted for secret and I get an extended round that I didn't want instead. I never said this, so I won't reply to this argument, maybe someone else who actually did say this can reply to it. Alright, my bad. Let me fix it. "From what I can tell, most people seem to vote secret because they want there to be an antag, or feel like playing a round with antags." It doesn't change anything. You'll notice that I said "it's just removing extended from the rotation" because of the passive aggressiveness from both sides, not because it's a good argument to remove extended.

>By voting secret you consent to every gamemode in secret. This doesn't mean I want extended in secret. It also doesn't mean extended should be a guaranteed chance either. >You don't vote for traitor, you don't vote for vampire and you don't vote for extended, you vote to be suprised, the thing about secret is that you are suprised by a gamemode, you consent to being suprised even if it is something you might not enjoy. So what? People vote extended because they want a random kind of antag, not because they want a random thrown in extended round that turns into a 2 hour CT call. Secret extended surprises nobody, it's just a complete annoyance thrown in to be ""surprising"" when it is about as surprising as finding cookies in a cookie box. >Look at this, there is an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE FUCKING CHANCE that you will get ANYTHING else but extended. So there is a chance, and it means extended can be rolled. And people do not want extended rolled. Which is literally what this suggestion is. Despite extended having an "absolutely massive fucking chance to not be rolled", it apparently doesn't stop the 2+ secret extended round streaks. Which are arguably not fun. I don't get why this argument gets so much passive aggressiveness from either side. It's completely unneeded and it is quite literally just removing a gamemode from one rotation that can still be voted for - does that guarantee so much passive aggressiveness? It doesn't.

If people vote secret they will expect antags no matter what you tell them. They voted secret because they want antags, so they'll expect there to be antags. You can expect a round to have antags without metagaming too. They might WANT something. They shouldn't EXPECT anything. You should play like it is another normal day until antags get confirmed. Changing behavior depending on game mode is hallmark of meta-gaming; How can you expect antags without metagaming, if antags are not IC knowledge for anyone???? You voted secret because you want antags. You can play the entire round without metagaming but just wanting antags. Is it completely unfathomable that someone can want antags but also not metagame? No, it isn't. If I wanted to play a round with no antags I'd just vote extended, not secret. >Changing behavior depending on game mode is hallmark of meta-gaming; Please tell me where I said that you should change your behavior based on gamemode. I said nothing like that. What I did say is you vote secret for antags, not for extended.

There is no need for one, especially since we have cloning already. If we will ever get defibrillators, it will likely be when (if) we transition to brainmed.

You see, the problem with that is people will always expect a secret gamemode and not extended. You shouldn't be "Expecting" anything, no matter what round it is you should act like it's extended during secret, unless you're an antag of course. If people vote secret they will expect antags no matter what you tell them. They voted secret because they want antags, so they'll expect there to be antags. You can expect a round to have antags without metagaming too.

You see, the problem with that is people will always expect a secret gamemode and not extended.

Application accepted.

Application accepted.

Application accepted.

Player's interview: https://pastebin.com/vtB8Dk4E

I'll be the one to handle your interview, so I'll be contacting you on Discord for it soon.

Considering that your 7-day ban just expired, I'll be denying this appeal for now. I do think it is way too soon to lift your security ban. However, I want you to observe how security usually play, and to understand security players RP and act. As such, you're free to appeal in 2 weeks from now. For now, appeal denied.

After reviewing the evidence, we've decided to give the player in question will be given a 7-day ban and a permanent ban until appeal from all security roles. This is the punishment we've decided to give based on the blatant validhunting that took place in the round. If nothing new arises, this thread will be locked in 24 hours from now.

[mention]Doc[/mention], [mention]NoahKirchner[/mention] and I will be taking this complaint. I'm gonna stress this again. Adminhelp these incidents. Do not let them turn into character or player complaints. These small things should be adminhelped.

Another way to fix that problem would be implementing distress beacons instead of the ERT swipes, with a chance to call an antag team instead of an actual ERT, such as raiders or some other new faction.

Could make them like they work on Bay, aka they blind people for a few seconds and disorient them, so they can run into walls or tables and hurt themselves/trip, while their movement is also random when disoriented.

I'm afraid I will have to deny this appeal for now. My main reason for denying this appeal is that you've been jobbanned 3 times for the same offense. That is way too many times, and that alone is enough reason for me to deny this appeal. Furthermore, I don't think you've changed. You've said the same thing in your first unban appeal, yet you have not changed since then. In other words, appeal denied. You may to appeal this ban in the future, and in at least one month from now. I'd like to see you play other departments without going SSD or AFKing, so I can actually trust you with an unban.

Coupled with this, and the fact you were warned for the same behaviour multiple (in fact, 3 bans for going SSD after 1 note and a warning), what guarantees us that you won't just pick up your old habits again?

I've looked this over a few times and I have to admit - I quite like this. These items are evidently pieces to drive a story, and not just things for the sake of having cool things.

After letting this complaint sit for a week or so, we have decided on a resolution to the complaint. The first incident seems much like an IC issue. We do not think it warrants any OOC action, and should have been brought up in an IR instead. The second incident was handled by staff, and is thus valid. If you wish to contest the actions, then you may post a staff complaint on the handling staff member. We will, however, be speaking to Munks about the other OOC issues brought up in this complaint - primarily, their attitude. That should clear up every issue presented in the complaint. As such, this thread will now be locked and archived, deemed resolved.

This application is going to have to get a strong -1 from me. Not only is your backstory very lacking, short, uneventful and does not show a character - but you're rating yourself far too high. Your roleplay has been subpar, and this has gotten you in trouble with staff many times.

This application will be denied due to: - Lack of feedback, - Lack of playtime and activity. We reccomend playing for at least a month more, and being more active in general.

Application denied due to not having enough feedback.

My personal stance on this is this: You should not be playing another department with the same character other than the department said character is in. For example, you should not be able to be a security officer and paramedic. Not only is the difference in paygrades pretty big, it's also not realistic how you would be employed for 2 different departments. That's not how employment works.

I am banning you for this