Bygonehero Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Drones should not be able to roll traitor, not only does it make little sense that they get it in the first place, but it creates an antag that cannot RP. Random shocking doors and being a general nuisance isn't constructive RP for anyone, nor does it add any roleplay to the round. They cannot talk, so it makes most times if they go loud seem like a gank because they cannot convey so without appearing to be malfunctioning in the first place. Emagging a drone is fine because then it is under the control of someone and is subject to the law limitations of it.
Zundy Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I thought this done ages ago? Obviously remove it since it's essentially an observer role.
Arrow768 Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 I´m gonna revive that and like to hear your thoughts given the recent discussion regarding drones in policy suggestions.
TheSleepyCatmom Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 A reminder Nymphs may also roll Traitor. So may any actual player role aboard the station, even mice (as far as I was aware.)
BurgerBB Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 Alternatively, make it so that traitor drones can talk in basic.
ben10083 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Drones should not be able to roll traitor, not only does it make little sense that they get it in the first place, but it creates an antag that cannot RP. Random shocking doors and being a general nuisance isn't constructive RP for anyone, nor does it add any roleplay to the round. They cannot talk, so it makes most times if they go loud seem like a gank because they cannot convey so without appearing to be malfunctioning in the first place. Emagging a drone is fine because then it is under the control of someone and is subject to the law limitations of it. When a drone becomes a tator, it's laws are overridden, allowing it to speak to everyone. Then it can do what it wants. For example, if I was a tator drone, I would consider how dumb the drones are and likely do an objective that is simple and will bring a smile to people's faces. Like if I steal and wear the captain's hat then try to say I now own the station or something like that. Of course I do not speak for everyone about this, but I am ok with traitor drones, as they are easy to kill, their battery will die quickly if they fight for too long, and it can only do so much.
Doc Posted September 19, 2018 Posted September 19, 2018 When a drone becomes a tator, it's laws are overridden, allowing it to speak to everyone. This is incorrect. While they would be allowed to according to their laws, they are still unable to- they cannot "speak" at all, they can only use the maintenance drone radio link. While it's possible to simply change this, I am against it. I would rather they be fully removed from the possibility of traitor selection. Maintenance drones are a spectator role, not a player role. This should apply in all regards.
Bauser Posted September 19, 2018 Posted September 19, 2018 I will parrot that sentiment. Maintenance drones are a spectator role, not a player role. Their mechanical significance is already greater than what was anticipated for them at the time of their inception. Remove drones from traitor rolls.
driecg36 Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 The combination of a high power plasma cutter, tiny sprite (which shots fly over), high speed, the ability to control doors, and all access makes emagged drones insanely powerful. Just the other round, I saw a single drone disable a full ERT team of 6 members single-handedly. The drone simply cut off all the legs of the ERT with the plasma cutter, which took surprisingly few shots, while constantly moving around and using the drone hatches in doors for cover. It also repeatedly stunned ERT members with the door close and electrification, who didn't even know that the drone was there. In my opinion, having a pocket size maintenance drone be one of the most powerful weapons in the game is absolutely ridiculous. Quite frankly, I think this mechanic is overall rubbish and I have never seen it used in an interesting way. The second the drone gets emagged, it goes on a murder spree abusing game mechanics to be able to outplay even the most heavily armed opponents. It adds no RP either, as they cannot talk or interact with the crew in any way that isn't either inconvenience or raw slaughter. Every round I've seen an emagged drone, the drone was ahelped for ruining a significant portion of the round. To be fair, I've only seen emagged drones a handful of times, but still.
furrycactus Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 Remove the plasma cutter at least. In my experience, having a non-suspect drone come around the corner and decapitate you in three shots with a plasma cutter, with zero interaction at all, killing you before you've even realised what's going on, is the standard Emagged Drone Experience. +999999 tbh
kyres1 Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 Were drone plasma cutters not nerfed like the rest? Because with a normal plasma cutter it's near impossible to cut any limbs off anymore.
BurgerBB Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 I have a PR up from a while ago that is ready and still needs to be reviewed. This should make this effect worse, however instead of incapacitating 6 ERT, it will incapacitate 3 ERT before biting the dust. https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/5330
Doc Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 Unless gibbing and dismembering are identical functions code-wise, this PR will have no effect on this suggestion, [mention]BurgerBB[/mention].
Sandvich123 Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 So, I'm going to give a full +1 to removing the maint drone that can just kill an entire ERT team in seconds. Being part of that ERT team, people started shouting like a full armed merc team was taking out ERT, but when me and the other medic got their, we found most of ERT disabled and a few dead doctors in medical. So imange our surprise when we found out a maint drone did this. Then the drone stayed hidden and was able to shock doors till we were just disabled. The round was ruined as mostly all of ERT was killed by the drone, and ever door was shocked.
BurgerBB Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 Unless gibbing and dismembering are identical functions code-wise, this PR will have no effect on this suggestion, @BurgerBB. Gibbing and dismemberment use the same code. It's related.
Itanimulli Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 I've seen emagged drones get yeeted off the planet on numerous occasions. I think that if the drone is emagged, it should gain at least standard borg-level ability to recognise what's going on. That means it follows the same rules as borgs do (I've been warned for killing people as a cyborg wordlessly), and thus will at least have to give ERT/people a chance to react. Removing the plasma cutter entirely seems like too much.
driecg36 Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Were drone plasma cutters not nerfed like the rest? Because with a normal plasma cutter it's near impossible to cut any limbs off anymore. It seems not, as virtually every single ERT member ended up with a missing leg due to the drone. I've seen emagged drones get yeeted off the planet on numerous occasions. I think that if the drone is emagged, it should gain at least standard borg-level ability to recognise what's going on. That means it follows the same rules as borgs do (I've been warned for killing people as a cyborg wordlessly), and thus will at least have to give ERT/people a chance to react. Removing the plasma cutter entirely seems like too much. Hacked borgs don't get weapons able to slaughter entire ERT teams, or able to hide under doors, or are almost impossible to hit due to a tiny sprite. There is really no reason emagged maint drones should be in.
Trazz666 Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Honestly just make the emagged plasma cutter the same as the handheld. At that point, anyone killed or even maimed by it can only blame themselves.
ben10083 Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 I've seen emagged drones get yeeted off the planet on numerous occasions. I think that if the drone is emagged, it should gain at least standard borg-level ability to recognise what's going on. That means it follows the same rules as borgs do (I've been warned for killing people as a cyborg wordlessly), and thus will at least have to give ERT/people a chance to react. Removing the plasma cutter entirely seems like too much. As a side note to this, Emagged drones get the same laws as an emagged borg, so it can talk. I feel that we should not prevent drones from being emagged, instead, we should have them have to follow proper escalation and other rules like any other emagged borg does.
DronzTheWolf Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 As a side note to this, Emagged drones get the same laws as an emagged borg, so it can talk. I feel that we should not prevent drones from being emagged, instead, we should have them have to follow proper escalation and other rules like any other emagged borg does. Except they're physically unable to talk because Drones automatically can only use Drone Talk and Drone Binary.
Arrow768 Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 Implemented here: https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/5606
Recommended Posts