[Dismissed] Revert Security Dress Code

[Snakebittenn]

I was asked to make a thread on this instead of waiting for my mind-control device to be complete to make Synn do it for me.
The security dress code has recently been updated.
" Uniformed security employees are to wear only standard equipment provided by NanoTrasen. Security uniforms do not include personal clothing, or items that would significantly impact the crew's ability to immediately identify security personnel. Minor alterations to uniform equipment are permitted in order to accommodate non-human species. Personnel failing to meet these requirements are in violation of regulations, and are subject to fines, detention, or other applicable penalties. " or something like that.
I find this a needless change, one that stifles creativity and personalization. Before this, really the only regulation was 'wear blue' and 'wear what the HoS tells you to.' This worked fine. I do not see why it needs to be anything else.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Elliot
Dismissing.

[DronzTheWolf]

I agree, infact I think Security uniforms should be optional outside of "Wear at least one thing to identify you as security, and it must be visible." with the exception being Detective and Forensic Technician. They should be allowed to be completely out of uniform.

[DeadLantern]

2 minutes ago, DronzTheWolf said:

I agree, infact I think Security uniforms should be optional outside of "Wear at least one thing to identify you as security, and it must be visible." with the exception being Detective and Forensic Technician. They should be allowed to be completely out of uniform.

You should also restrict in a way so that it can be instantly identifiable. By this rule, you could wear a sec armband and say "hey, look, I'm sec" but the arm band is too small for most to process it in a short time.

[Skull132]

3 minutes ago, DronzTheWolf said:

I agree, infact I think Security uniforms should be optional outside of "Wear at least one thing to identify you as security, and it must be visible." with the exception being Detective and Forensic Technician. They should be allowed to be completely out of uniform.

da fuck.

Okay, can you provide any reasonable explanation as to why individuals of authority should not be clearly distinguishable from the crowd while performing standard duties...?

[DronzTheWolf]

30 minutes ago, Skull132 said:

da fuck.

Okay, can you provide any reasonable explanation as to why individuals of authority should not be clearly distinguishable from the crowd while performing standard duties...?

On a station such as this, standard duties consist of either patrolling the halls, or sitting at a camera monitor. To have them be identifiable but not in a uniform as some jackbooted, nameless corporate thug would mean that they are easily approachable and easier to confide in with troubling things such as witnessed crime and personal threats.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Does this regulation cover csi and detectives? Not being immediately identifiable can be a benefit if the detective is trying to be casually incognito so unwary people around him can be caught slippin'

[Synnono]

11 minutes ago, Senpai Jackboot said:

Does this regulation cover csi and detectives? Not being immediately identifiable can be a benefit if the detective is trying to be casually incognito so unwary people around him can be caught slippin'

When we wrote this, I at least had it in my head that detectives are generally not strictly uniformed, and therefore not covered under Uniformed security employees. CSIs I believe do have some sort of uniform jacket or outfit. Since command is the group that enforces this expectation however, the interpretation of both of those instances is best left to them.

 

In regards to the OP: I was neither the original submitter of this idea nor in the (rather strong) majority of people in CCIA channels who recommended we add it to Uniform Policy. Because support for it there was very strong however, we decided to try it out.

The main driver of the change was @The lancer who I would like to have post here with a summary of what he hopes the changes will drive.

I think I've explained this to Paradox before as well, but just in case there is any confusion, AFAIK this policy has nothing to do with the Cloak PR or dev's denial of it. It was unfortunate timing that both issues arose at the same time, separately.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Synnono
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[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Im indifferent on the regulation outsiden of a wish to have the exception for detectives outlined. I know for a fact there are many command players who will raise a fuss at ununiformed detectives. Other command players wont, so we will be stuck with inconsistent and frustrating variations.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Marlon Phoenix

[Synnono]

Then we can probably cover it in another thread, as the OP is not attempting to address this.

[The lancer]

In the corporate setting this takes place in, the security department, as a private protection force representing the most important and powerful megacorporation in one of its state of the art research facilities, should be held at a higher standard when it comes to uniforms and dress regulation. There are plenty of choices already available for them, both in the loadout and in the lockers.

Seing officers and cadets roaming around in cowboy hats and boots, skirts and non security jackets, kills the setting and makes security resemble a band of militia, more than a private security firm. Cracking down on such incidents is not about killing fun or character personalisation, but promoting a more realistic look, while also reinforcing discipline in the department. This does not affect detectives.

That was my reasoning and thinking behind this. And as syn said, while I personally dislike cloaks, I never officially called for a cloak ban.

[ben10083]

I dont see how the standard uniform would "drive people away". Security needs to be easily identifiable so people know who to call on for protection.

 

Plus this can be enforced or loosely enforced by the command staff. So its not like you are banned for adding some personal touches, just dont make them too big.

[Brutishcrab51]

http://www.trans-west.net/img/home_eyecandy2.jpg

Nah, even county-sized private security companies have uniforms. NanoTrasen Corporation has a private mercenary army, its own fleet and an internal security department equipped as well as normal police can be, they have uniforms, balance snowflakiness with realism. If you want to wear skirts and fine suits, don't play a Security role.

[Scheveningen]

-1 No.

Station security guards are the equivalent of town guards or policemen for the respective setting. They must be identifiable as an authority figure (or rather as the official pawns of the actual authority.)

[Butterrobber202]

-1

 

guys, Security is the authority on the Station, and obviously requires a degree of professionalism, and uniforms. Why the hell would NT allow some Officer run around in spandex and a cape arresting people? 

[UnknownMurder]

-1

This is a funny suggestion thread. We don't need a cowboy looking people on the station as Security Officers. There are people who are expected to wear uniforms in many workforce. Even Star Trek, a fictional world, does the same. 

[Arrow768]

Well, I am mostly echoing what the others said. 

I believe a common uniform is something important for authority figures. 

For example, you were automatically disqualified from the application process of the police force in Austria if you had visible tattoos or piercings. 

[Elliot]

Due to the above feedback in addition to the discussions regarding this in the CCIA channel I will be dismissing this suggestion for the primary reasons discussed above, including but not limited to:

• Emergency Services / people of authority need to be easily identifiable in times of high stress.
• A set uniform is used to fulfil industry demands. For example it would not be acceptable to run around in heels whilst chasing after a suspect.
• People of authority must hold themselves to a higher degree of professionalism in order to maintain a mutual respect and trust.

I will now be locking and moving the thread to the relevant section.