Staff Complaint - Alberyk

[AmoryBlaine]

At the instruction of Arrow768, Bauser is posting this complaint via proxy.

BYOND Key: Bauser
Staff BYOND Key: Alberyk
Game ID: N/A (Unrelated to activity in the server)
Reason for complaint: Alberyk applied a permanent server ban to my account ( shown here: https://forums.aurorastation.org/topic/13559-ban-request-bauser/ ) for reasons unrelated to the server and without sufficiently investigating my supposed wrongdoing. My goal in lodging this complaint is to overturn the server ban on the grounds that it is illegitimate.

Evidence/logs/etc: My claim that the ban is unfounded is two-pronged. On one hand, I find the ban request to be personally motivated rather than based on the rules or server values. On the other hand, I find the ban itself to be insubstantial rather than based on evidence.

1)
Geeves made that ban request against me a few weeks after he similarly requested a ban of BurgerBB, both with the stated goal of "reducing server toxicity." In other words, he is using these ban requests as a way to shape the character of the server - based on his personal idea of what "toxicity" is and who is guilty of it. His principal claim in his ban request against me is that  I've "been being a dick to people quite often lately". His timeframe for this is "on-going for a few days... he believes." However, this is where we see the true nature of these requests begin to shine through: Instead of being able to show this pattern of cruelty he accuses me of, he "apologizes for the very minor amount of evidence" he gathered. Instead of substantiating his claim of worsening behavior, he apologized for not substantiating it.

His own words put the actual goal of these requests on full display: he "firmly believes that toxic individuals such as this should be cut from the server ASAP." As for what makes an individual toxic...? If evidence is not present, we must conclude that it is a personal opinion. And since Geeves has banned me from a Discord before over personal disagreements rather than rules ( https://i.imgur.com/xsJSQ1C.png ), it would be in line with his historical behavior towards me if he was fabricating a supposed pattern of toxicity in order to maintain his idea of me as a toxic person and get me removed.

Finally, the evidence he provides of this is a Discord screenshot of a highly personal and singular exchange between myself and another user whose rule-breaking behavior had been negatively impacting me recently. It speaks to no pattern of "being more of a dick recently," as anyone who has seen me in-game every day for months would attest. I have been acutely aware of and moderating my behavior effectively, in line with past feedback that I needed to calm down. Therefore I conclude that the ban request was made with false pretenses in order to carry out a misguided crusade against an idea of toxicity, rather than to actually uphold the server rules or make a positive change in the community. Anyone who has seen and spoken to me in-game should know things have been perfectly fine. The reason he didn't find evidence of my toxicity is because it's largely nonexistent now.

2)
If lodging a complaint against Geeves for instigating this crusade - based on his need to get rid of certain individuals he personally associates with toxicity, rather than actually addressing toxic problems or rule violations - would get the ban overturned, I would have made this complaint about him instead. But it wouldn't, so I am forced to point a finger at the admin who silently obliged his request, literally without question.

Whereas BurgerBB got an extensive trial ( https://forums.aurorastation.org/topic/13305-ban-request-burgerbb/ ) concluding that a Discord problem is a Discord problem, I was quietly permabanned from the server, less than an hour after the request was submitted. Alberyk did not ask me one question.

It has been a long while since I have even struggled with the behavior that some people still ascribe to me, as being unable to control myself. This event is not an example of that, nor is it an example of harassment. I didn't say anything bad about him, I wasn't going to hound him or spam him with that message. Instead, I just said how I felt so that I could get closure and move on. If Alberyk had done any amount of digging, he would have found that this was a purely cold-blooded and reasonable conclusion, however bitter.

The user I was speaking to was Sharkatk, the player of Skazurah Kas. I thought he was a very good friend, we often were in-game together, he bought me Cadence Of Hyrule for Christmas, etc.. But as soon as I pointed out how his rule-breaking behavior was having a negative impact on my experience, he called me toxic, compared me to "all the abusive people in his life," and cut ties with me. In fact, despite how brutal these claims were, my reactions were very gentle and trying to refocus:

https://i.imgur.com/xy12VSI.png
https://i.imgur.com/xYxdNkg.png

What I did was explain how his character always chasing after death (constantly going to fight carp as a miner and getting maimed and killed, even in canon rounds) was forcing me into a very narrow and painful gameplay loop. He had been consistently breaking the believability rules, his whitelist was threatened for similar reasons previously, but I didn't bring it to anyone's attention because I was hoping he could grow out of it instead of just getting punished and further hurt. So when he told me he was going to cut ties and block me out, I was devastated. I told him how I felt so I could move on- not saying anything about him, not an example of harrassment, and certainly not one related to our activity on the server.

In speaking with Alberyk, it became apparent that he carried out this ban request with such swiftness because he innately agrees with Geeves' assessment of me as a toxic thing needing to be removed, regardless of reality. He's still trying to make me pay for something I did wrong a long time ago ( https://i.imgur.com/xLQSKOa.png ). What they put on trial is not me or my behavior, but rather their idea of me - Something I cannot change for them, even if it was my responsibility to do so (and it isn't).

In total: the ban request against me was made in order to carry out a personal vendetta, the ban request made a false claim about a pattern of my behavior, the ban request failed to substantiate that claim, the supposed offense was not related to the server, the supposed offense was not investigated properly, the supposed offense was not an offense, the ban itself was personally motivated, and I have been carrying out model behavior for a quite a while. Any one of these things should be grounds to give everyone serious pause about the legitimacy of the judicial process I got here. But with all of them together, there's no doubt that a ban from the server was not appropriate for this situation.

Additional remarks: Aurora means the world to me. I have been in there every single day, doing right by people, and that's not by accident. It represents a great effort I exert because of how much I value the community and the people who comprise it. I just want to play the game, but I'm being painted into a corner.

[Alberyk]

As I explained countless times. You managed to get yourself banned in at least three discord related to this community, the forums, around two or so times. I have server banned you before due to the same behavior in relations to the members of this community, and you keep doing this, I have no other option besides applying the ban again. There is enough evidence pointing that you can't behave at all as a member of this community, so I applied this ban. I am sure that the ban request was done at the player's request, because they did not compain, neither there was any way that geeves could have entered their private message.

But, it boils down to; you keep doing this stuff, so at any sight of whatever you do, you get the hammer.

[SatinsPristOTD]

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*Bauser is posting this reply by proxy.

 

You describe my bans as demonstrating a pattern, but this is a complete mischaracterization. They are all very unique and tenuous. Only one of these actually relates to this idea of me as a malicious and angry person, and it's the Aurora Discord ban from back in the 2018 era.

Aurora Discord ban: Insulting someone (This is the "insulting someone for using the debate channel to say they mathematically proved the existence of god" incident).

Relay Discord ban: Someone called me a pedophile for posting SFW fanart and Geeves (as moderator) defended him, then when I said "You guys are fucked up" for that, Schev called this "harassing him relentlessly" and banned me and blocked me immediately after mocking me about it ( https://i.imgur.com/IClZi8k.png ). Schev was itching for the opportunity, because his enduring hatred of me is outwardly apparent (let's recall that he was the first out of the gate to tell everyone how awful of a person I am at my last ban appeal...). In fact, when I asked Geeves if I had harassed him, he said he didn't mention anything like that ( https://i.imgur.com/BWpINls.png ). So Schev had gone out of his way to twist it into a ban for his own gratification.

NT-SEC Discord ban: Gem publicly posted a rant calling me a mentally ill extremist troll who torments people for fun, and banned me because I posted a news article about U.S. border patrol agents in the off-topic channel ( https://i.imgur.com/2jrbPOc.png ). Schev was there, too, rooting for him to ban me with constant statements like "come on, cut off the infection, quality control, you gotta do it" - and I made sure to stay calm then, too ( https://i.imgur.com/zXrQ9mu.png ). In fact, my statement right before he banned me was not any vitriol or insult, it was just the words "Please, don't."

"Please, don't."

Because I could see he was buying into it, and it was going to be this same hell for me all over again, trying to get people to understand I acted without malice. This case was the most bizarre, because of how random and inconsequential the "offense" was. But, it was enough for them to call me a mentally ill extremist, and so it was another bullet I got to bite.

So it is completely disingenuous to pretend that these belong to an actual pattern of me misbehaving. All they show is that a couple people who are influential in the community have been hunting me down across its various outlets. To take these bans at face value is uncritical. It suffices to say that I have been fighting an uphill battle to do the right things. But that has not stopped me from doing the right things.

You saying "I keep doing these things" and "there is enough evidence" does not make these statements true. Your "evidence" of my wrongdoing is that a couple people who are personally invested in getting rid of me said I did wrong, and had the power to act on it without recourse. I am asking you to dig deeper than that, to see that they have been trying to squeeze the life out of me like this for a long time, in a brutal grudge. They want the rules to be broken because they can use any controversy as ammo against me, regardless of if it's legitimate or not - Every time my intentions or actions were brought into question, it was my "history" they put on trial. And it's my history that you put on trial now. But there is no benefit to doing it this way, except for someone who is simply trying to get rid of me for the sake of being rid of me.

I don't want to fight because every time I do, it adds to the pile of things they can point to when they pretend that I'm a villain. Whether any one thing was right or wrong, it doesn't matter for their purposes because any controversy is something they can say adds to my "history." Even if this were to get overturned completely, it will still add to my "history," and they will point to it the next time they find an opportunity to remove me.

Remember the last time I was banned from the server, it ALSO wasn't for anything that happened in the server, and was ultimately appealed. But it's still the incident Geeves pointed to in the ban request, because even though I was making steps in the right direction, Geeves could dig up old wounds and revive bad blood by using it. In this way, I have not been given an honest "second chance" like you say I have gotten so many of - I've been trying to evade a continual pursuit of re-litigating very, very old mistakes, from people who never moved on from them like everyone else did.

[Scheveningen]

40 minutes ago, SatinsPristOTD said:

You describe my bans as demonstrating a pattern, but this is a complete mischaracterization. They are all very unique and tenuous. Only one of these actually relates to this idea of me as a malicious and angry person, and it's the Aurora Discord ban from back in the 2018 era.

Your OOC behavior hasn't changed at all, Bauser. You're undoubtedly a good roleplayer when you want to be, but you seem to take everything far too seriously: to the point of not having enough control to prevent yourself from being as ruthless and crass as you've become known for.

I was definitely not super cool in dealing with you on the NT relay, nor on the NT-ISD discord, or whatever else you've been banned from. Perhaps I should've seen consequences for my role in what happened and I would agree with that assessment. It's completely fair to characterize me as being an asshole to you in how I've dealt with you. But I personally cannot be convinced to treat someone with politeness and courtesy when they demonstrate to behave the way you did among/towards other adults. At the time and currently, you possess a very shock-and-awe way of expressing yourself. What I don't understand is your current attitude in being surprised when people respond with being "shocked" and "awed" and then they respond unreasonably. You cannot act emotionally and then be surprised when others respond emotionally. It isn't fair to try to get them in trouble for something you have equal or more involvement in causing.

I admit I've taken personal issue with you, and it is not even because of the very first outburst you've subjected me to that I can remember. This is the case particularly because I have personally witnessed you verbally, and relentlessly, harassing people who I consider dear friends in this community, a fair few are people who I will not name already carry substantial burdens of depression and many other problems where they have difficulty making and keeping friends in real life. Everyone you affected that I know absolutely did not deserve or need the verbal lambasting they got from you, it made them feel unsafe here if your outburst was to be otherwise tolerated. To which, prior to the recent string of bans you've caught all around the community, you initially didn't catch anything for it - and that genuinely upset me, because I viewed that as a situation where you should've caught consequences, and that you should at least 'catch some' down the line to make up for your uncaught bad behavior before.

Times have changed and there are different people on staff now who used to be players well aware of your propensity to harass or otherwise make specific individuals uncomfortable or feel unwelcome here.

In fact, hey, it's not even a "u attked my frens grrr now i must delet u" issue, the principle remains that you should not relentlessly harass anyone to the point of making them feel unsafe or unworthy to be here. You've failed to understand this for countless amounts of times. What else can be done? Your behavior is harmful to the community, the way you approach heated issues kills meaningful discussion and also makes people super uncomfortable. The staff would look really bad tolerating your behavior here and not banning you for it. A permanent ban is totally in order to indefinitely stop you from behaving the same way over and over.

I totally could've done things better in dealing with you in the areas of the community where I was addressing issues with your behavior, absolutely. I've learned a lot from it, toxicity to meet toxicity simply didn't work and doesn't work to de-escalate, but me going about it the wrong way honestly doesn't excuse you, at all - much as I regret treating you the way I did and escalating the issue further.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Scheveningen

[Garnascus]

@Bauser Temporarily moving you to the "soft banned" group. You should be able to view this thread and post in it. I am doing it because its really awkward if you have to keep going through proxies. If you cannot then just send me a friend request on discord or something and i will try to fix it. 

Anyways, this complaint looks to be hella lengthy and involved so it will take me some time to properly sift through all of the information. Please bear with me. 

[geeves]

It's easy to make someone look bad with carefully selected screenshots, innit? Frankly, I think you've expended all of Aurora's goodwill. Staying here is a privilege, not a right. If you can't get your act together, then I don't see why you should be allowed to stay.

[Garnascus]

What are those screenshots even from?

[geeves]

Bauser appealing his ban from the NT Relay Affiliated server.

[Sytic]

The ban in question on the NT Relay affiliated server was where he was asked to stop posting softcore porn or making salacious references to Link, an under-18 character from the Legend of Zelda franchise.

He didn't take it very well. He claimed that Link, in their mind, was chosen to view as mature and adult, as a work of fan fiction. And that content promoting that view that he posted, was all content that also supported this view. Instead of just accepting that people were uncomfortable with it and to stop, he harassed Geeves further for it, then got banned.

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(Note: Bauser here claims to not talk about it further. He later continues to post images of Link and gives salacious commentary, with another argument starting ten messages later due to the public reaction to that 'not when I think about him' statement. This is the beginning of when I escalate to the Moderation staff team, and message them about it.)

He was later banned. He was also banned from the affiliated NT-ISD discord, because he kept trying to excuse the execution of individuals.

Just thought I'd provide context to the NT-Relay font of discussion as the original person who made the complaint. On a Discord level, Bauser has been childish, mired in a political agenda, has abused @Snake2512 over religious beliefs in the Main discord, has abused individuals such as @Outboarduniform on the Sec affiliated discord, and myself on the Relay discord. He also took to attempting to convey his political beliefs to me in PMs, which I took to laughing at with a mate because it was, very funny.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Sytic
clarification

[SatinsPristOTD]

@Garnascus You can find this conversation on the Relay Discord by searching the sentence "link is a cute little twunk" (Not a quote of Bausers or Odins, but it was so unique and it's at the beginning of the ordeal)

Thought that'd help. It's from August of last year.

[Garnascus]

Its really difficult for me to arbitrate over conduct in the relay and department discords. They are not places that myself and the rest of the modmin team have direct authority and supervision over. I am way more interested in what was done on the forums, the server and our discord. I will have to check through some things but spoiler alert its not exactly clean. No disrespect to you or anything bauser i just have to rule on what i see. 

[Scheveningen]

Yeah, that's fine, I don't really think it is that important either to look at the less affiliated discords over other stuff, but I don't think evidence of their behavior on other discords should be a total non-factor.

[IAmCrystalClear]

Bauser is posting this reply by proxy.

(The soft-ban role you gave me allows me to see the subforum, but I am still restricted from posting. At the time of posting, you haven't accepted my Discord request yet.)

@Garnascus: No, it is not clean. But when you put it under a microscope, what I think you will find is that it's barely remarkable at all.

You see how the same people who made a point of persecuting me then are also flocking to this complaint, trying to put some abstract idea of my character on trial, instead of my actions. They have been allowed to redirect the discussion as they please, and I am happy to oblige them. Because if you look at the actual progression of events, you will find plenty of ways that they have unduly targeted me.

And in some cases, they are perfectly willing to deceive you to make it happen. Sytic says I was banned from NT-ISD for "trying to excuse the exection of individuals" - carefully ignoring the fact that I was excusing the execution of literal nazis (yes, still controversial, but not the great mark of evil he wants it to be). He says I "abused Snake's religious beliefs," and that's a lie. What I actually did was tell him he couldn't mathematically prove the existence of God. Sytic says I was posting softcore porn, but that's a lie. I had posted SFW fan-art. Here are examples:
https://i.imgur.com/ApCo9Oy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kS4ItMq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/S20SiHX.png
Some people were enjoying it. That's why you can search for that "twunk" phrase and it wasn't me saying it. One time, I made an off-color comment about body paint, regarding a BOTW outfit that involves body paint. It's no different from the generic risque content that gets by regularly in these places.
https://i.imgur.com/ryeaVw1.png
https://i.imgur.com/tgsydbf.png
https://i.imgur.com/MwTnNhX.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6DNdop6pD8)
https://i.imgur.com/cqwosos.png

And so, Sytic wrote a scathing rant calling me a pedophile. When I took issue with this, Geeves demanded I stop posting that content, and so I had to stop. But I called them fucked up for it, because I found it pretty disgusting to make that the topic, when it clearly is not related to the content. Even though Geeves agreed it was inappropriate to write that rant calling me a pedophile, he chose to go along with my ban because he agreed with what Sytic was saying ( https://i.imgur.com/M6Bk2Z1.png ).

So that's the series of events:
1) I get brutally insulted by Sytic.
2) Geeves as moderator says I have to stop posting that content as a result.
3) I call them fucked up ( https://i.imgur.com/lJ9XyXD.png ) and Schev bans me for "harassing people relentlessly" and blocks me immediately to avoid discussion ( https://i.imgur.com/MBefu9w.png )
4) Geeves tells me he didn't say anything about feeling harassed ( https://i.imgur.com/Btd36z3.png )
5) I ask Geeves to explain that to Schev, but Geeves decides not to contest the ban because he agreed with calling me a pedophile ( https://i.imgur.com/M6Bk2Z1.png ).

Like you say, it's not clean. But they've blown it so wildly out of proportion, while refusing to take responsibility for their own roles. Even in here, Schev just said: "Perhaps I should've seen consequences for my role in what happened and I would agree with that assessment. It's completely fair to characterize me as being an asshole to you in how I've dealt with you." What else is needed, but an admission that Schev, responsible for banning me in one place and cheering for me to be banned elsewhere, was purposefully antagonizing me and should face consequences for it? What else is needed, but the admission that the moderator who supported him and requested my ban now, Geeves, chose to let me be banned instead of being honest and admitting he wasn't harassed? What else is needed, but Alberyk's admission that the ban was about that crooked history, without examining it ( https://i.imgur.com/fnO9pFh.png )?

[Sytic]

I don't know about you, but stating 'Not when I think about him' when the context is regarding suggestive remarks after posting images of under-18 characters, sounds pretty bad to me. And escalating that, calling me a 'fucking creep' for pointing it out through verbal abuse, when at the time I switch from asking about it incredulously to just reaffirming the statement after every image that Link has never been portrayed as 18 or older (Which seems to really upset you for some reason.)

Relevant images below.

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Link situation:

https://imgur.com/a/gZSWMw9

I've decided not to raise the Outboard situation, and I'll let that one go by the wayside. If you want to look up logs, look up "purge", but it's honestly not worth my time for the NT-SEC discord sitch. I don't agree with everything Outboard said there, notably gun control, the opinions on certain communities and the like, but I saw nothing immensely egregious like the abolishment of police while promoting the execution of people from Outboard. I'd go more in depth but this is not a place to attack Outboard's character, nor do I want to.

Snake's bible study time, or how Bauser stole Christmas (Snake situation, note, genuinely a fun read.):

https://imgur.com/a/24e0lnq

And in regards to the claim that I have jumped on the bandwagon, I am relevant towards how you have treated individuals on this server, as one of the affiliated discords has banned you for your behavior, which directly was in conflict and in opposition to my claims and remarks. So yes, I would say I was involved in the overall situation, given the fact that Alb banned you for your overall behavior in the community. As an aside, I also liked providing very fun and necessary context to the claims and remarks in this situation.

Maybe he shouldn't have been someone making pedophilic remarks about an underage character while also referring to people who can articulate a point and can rebuff being called "sheep" as, and I quote, "turbo autists", and "retards".

Tl;dr, Bauser is dense enough to have generated an orbit.

Edited January 7, 2020 by Sytic
Added more images to the link situation. EDIT 2: Some of the snips were out of order.

[Garnascus]

@Bauser Ok you can definitely post now. Please only post in this thread. Do not post anywhere else. 

[Scheveningen]

I'm simultaneously very surprised and also disturbed that you took fairly old out of context quotes of people - including me - saying stuff and screenshotting them well in advance for something to develop like this, as if you're making a relevant point here. Spoiler alert, you're not. There's a difference between referencing a risque internet meme (which I, admittedly did as the cumbrain I am) and posting softcore porn (which you did - like, really?), too. Nobody told me they were made uncomfortable by the dumb joke comment I made and they did not call me on the issue either, so there was no need to apologize for the behavior if people understood it was posted with good faith and humor. If they did take issue with it I would've owned up to the issue and apologized, and would've sworn to contain myself better in present company. That's taking personal responsibility. For some people it's probably cringe to see that posted, in other situations it's humor for other people. Meh.

Speaking of 'proportions', you know the degree of which people take issues seriously is based on their current attitudes and the pressing situations they're trying to address? It seems pretty unempathetic to call things "blown out of proportion" when you're the offender in a variety of these situations. 
 

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What else is needed, but an admission that Schev, responsible for banning me in one place and cheering for me to be banned elsewhere, was purposefully antagonizing me and should face consequences for it?

Will you not be satisfied until you bring every single person who you think has ever wronged you, down to your level? If you have lost access to this community that you supposedly love so much that you're willing to go to certain lengths to express that love, I wonder what karmic retribution I 'ought' to 'get' in my current position of being a player trying to get back to minding their own business and balance having a stable life with my hobby and passion, which is Aurora. Penny for your thoughts, tho? 

Little thought experiment for you. Perhaps, despite my history here and the history of many others, that there is a salient reason why I am not permanently banned from this community in spite of my tendencies to get rather bitter and frustrated when things don't go too well. I'm just as surprised as everyone else, honestly, how did I make it so far? Still, it must also stand to reason, of course, that there is at least one salient reason why you were banned from several subsects of this community. Ponder on that.

I believe, regardless of my personal motivations involved, that banning you from the NT relay and supporting your removal from the NT-ISD discord was in the best interest of the comfort and safety of the respective communities, as well as keeping the places overall fun and a place to consistently participate in without fear from imminent/toxic retribution from someone who very strongly disagrees with the idea that sometimes things should be left well enough alone. Sadly, I'm not the only one who thought this, unfortunately, otherwise I'd be in a pretty awkward position myself alone in this quandary, don't you think? And if, say for the sake of example, that an administrator noticed you screwing up again and otherwise exhibiting behavior that was essentially exactly the same as the last time you got in trouble with various server administration... well it looks like similar assessments of your ongoing behavior seem to be exhibiting the same, disfavorable-to-your-case kind of result.

I apologize if I come off as smug though, as I usually aim to be proven wrong when I think someone's acting in bad faith, not right. The entire situation disappoints me, as I was hoping you'd make a heroic comeback in the name of self-progress. I'm not really convinced you're any different than my prior impressions of you at the moment. I regret I got heated in several instances in dealing with you and I certainly should've exercised a greater degree of serenity and control, but I don't regret my role in getting you banned, however, it seemed like the right thing to do at each of the associated times. People who don't speak up or stand up to issues don't get things done. Since I've pretty much made my case in defending myself at this point, I won't make additional replies. don't @ me bro

[Snake2512]

> I just told Snake you couldn't mathematically prove God exists.

No you didn't, you insisted on insulting religion and faith whilst mustering up no real charity to the discussion.

 

(this is my favorite one)

the last quote sums up his entire position in this thread as well.

[Bauser]

Spirituality had no place in a debate channel to start with - since it's highly personal and abstract, its inclusion there was abusive of everyone else's trust, and I overreacted as if to compensate. In any case, I'm sorry for what I did in 2018, but that's just my point- I was punished for it and learned better, while some people who came to hate me for it spent the time since then looking for (and finding) opportunities to punish me further.

On 05/01/2020 at 22:01, Scheveningen said:

... prior to the recent string of bans you've caught all around the community, you initially didn't catch anything for it - and that genuinely upset me, because I viewed that as a situation where you should've caught consequences, and that you should at least 'catch some' down the line to make up for your uncaught bad behavior before.

There you have it. Schev didn't like that I was able to make amends, so he made sure I "caught some down the line." And now, the trouble he placed on me was accepted as undeniable evidence of my wrongdoing. He and Geeves gave me a death of 1,000 papercuts, finally enough made-up conflict to convince Alberyk that I wasn't even worth an honest effort before giving me the harshest punishment possible. And yes, Geeves shared Schev's effort to further punish me for the past: https://i.imgur.com/WrVtgJQ.png That is him saying he wouldn't correct Schev and admit he wasn't harassed, so that he could keep me banned. The fact that he posted my ban request now, when I haven't even spoken to him since August, makes it clear that he's dedicated to hurting me.

(Side note: Obviously, at the time Schev banned me from the Relay, I asked the OTHER remaining moderator of that Discord for their input, but the other remaining moderator was Goret, so you can imagine how that went https://i.imgur.com/CAWFVTP.png As with the others, they want me to pay more for what I did wrong before)

Frankly, I don't understand how Schev can bring this level of intensity to the table. The fact of the matter is, I don't interact with him, we don't share any spaces. When he banned me, it had been five months since we last actually talked. At the time of this discussion, it's been four more months since he banned me. He was the first to show up in my ban appeal to tell everyone I'm a monster, and he's here now to tell everyone I'm a monster. His grudge is unmistakable, as are the ways he and Geeves used their authority as Discord moderators to carry out that grudge, as is the fact that Alberyk adopted their view of me as a problem to be eliminated rather than a member of the community.

[Goret]

Your history on this community is awfully long. To this day, I still have no problems to keep you banned. You haven't changed at all, you remain the same person that you have always been. Actions have consequences, and you are just learning it.

On that note, I'm going to send my first interaction with you, which just prove even more that you are a disrespectful and toxic person that nobody wants to interact with. Don't expect people to walk your way with the tons of shit you sent them, be it on a discord server, or either in PM. My opinion on you has never changed and it will never change. You are toxic for this community, and you don't belong here. I don't even know why you keep fighting when you know all the harm you have done.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Goret

[Bauser]

13 minutes ago, Goret said:

My opinion on you has never changed and it will never change.

They line up to admit it, enthusiastically. To admit that they were never satisfied with the idea of me improving after the trouble I got into, and that they will eternally treat me by the first impression. For an average user like me, this would be regrettable- but for moderators and "pillars" of this community, to see their undying hatred laid bare should strike you as deeply worrisome. It's plainly reflected in the efforts they each took to target me, as retaliation outside of the actual rules and discipline I received.

But I have become very accustomed to enduring that hatred, so I don't take it personally anymore. I don't mind when Goret says "I haven't changed at all," because why would Goret know? I don't talk with them. I haven't talked to them since they said they would ignore my plea in the messed-up Discord ban situation (citing that same comment which was over a year old even by then), and I never had any Discord conversation with them before that, either.

(For reference, I made that inappropriate comment to Goret in 2018 when they deleted my post in Burger's staff application thread where I cautioned people that he had written a manifesto about how much he disliked Aurora's community, and Goret issued a board warning to me, calling my post "off-topic." I felt crushed, because I was punished for saying something that seemed to be good and valuable for the community.)

[Goret]

You should really stop positioning yourself as a victim, because you're just the contrary of what you want people to see you as. Just the reason you got banned for, the ban request that Geeves made clearly points you as the harasser and the person that should be taken out for everyone's good.

Alberyk gave you one chance and asked you one thing : to behave, prove that you indeed belong here. He made a step towards you and even gave you the possibility to come back on the discord if your behavior was alright. I see nothing wrong with this, everyone has a right to have a second chance, but you just pushed everything around you and got banned from multiples affiliated Discord. You went into someone's PMs, showed your maturity after they told you that they fear confrontation and took advantage of it. You don't know where to stop, you are an impulsive person that need to stay away from everyone for their mental safety. Bunch of people that I consider my friends personally who interacted with you described the same feelings towards you and as a note-- I won't tell who nor tell them to comment here because I'm afraid that you hold a grudge against them and seek ways to hurt them.

You're a wasted potential. I like Adrien Major, and despite my OOC problems with you, it never kept me from interacting and roleplaying with you. You're a good roleplayer and you could have taken advantage of that positive trait to grow out of it, and show to people that you could be more. But you never did, and never will.

Edited January 9, 2020 by Goret

[Snake2512]

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Spirituality had no place in a debate channel to start with - since it's highly personal and abstract, its inclusion there was abusive of everyone else's trust, and I overreacted as if to compensate. In any case, I'm sorry for what I did in 2018, but that's just my point- I was punished for it and learned better, while some people who came to hate me for it spent the time since then looking for (and finding) opportunities to punish me further.

No your point is you never did anything wrong in the first place. Your original statement on the situation was just 'oh all I did was tell Snake God couldn't be proven' when that was profoundly not the case.

 

Here's a tip champ, try not to lie about stuff that happened earlier in this thread.

[Faris]

I originally did not want to post, so I’ll keep it short.

None of what’s being cited here is a first impression. You’re rude, abrasive and at times inconsiderate. You are not the victim here. The examples of you being unbanned and given chances is proof that we were hopeful you would improve, you did not.

Here is another example where you lash out when things don’t go your way.

[Garnascus]

So, let me just compile a list of what i see server and discord side.

1. Bauser was banned from the player discord in 2018 for being rude to some of our members. This ban was appealed twice on our forums. The first was not successful. The second was. FInally, bauser was banned a SECOND time on the player discord in November of 2018 by me. It was due to being very rude and hostile to other members in the thunderdome. 

 

 

 

2. In 2018 Bauser was also banned from the forums for telling an administrator to fuck off

3. In 2019 Bauser was banned from the server 

 

4. In March of 2019 bauser attempted to appeal his forum ban and was not successful. 

 

 

5. In May of 2019 bauser was unbanned and given soft-banned permissions on the forums. This meant that he could see and post in the appeals section of our forum for the purpose of an appeal here  

 

6. In July of 2019 bauser was permanently banned from the forums again for violating the terms of his soft-banned role. This was placed by alberyk due to a post made in this thread. Bauser was banned for this because it violated our rules of not posting if you are not involved.  

 

 

7. In july of 2019 bauser received a note detailing his problematic behavior in our OOC channel. 

 

 

8.  Finally we come to the ban request made by @geeves and handled by @Alberyk . Alberyk dispensed swift punishment with a ban reason detailed here. 

 

Now before i continue i would like to speak a little bit about points one through seven. I have had very little personal interaction with you in my tenure here. I have no ill will towards you or very much impression at all outside a few mentions in conversation. I feel that i am in a good position to remain as objective as one could possible be regarding another individual. As i was reading over the various bans, appeals, warnings and punishments a pattern emerges. It is very clear to me that you very rarely if ever take responsibility for your actions. I say this not to insult you or degrade you it is just an empirical observation. You continually clash with members of our community and you get punished for that. When nursie noted you in 2019 or when alberyk re-applied your forum ban they could have straight up permabanned you from the server over it and that would have been that. I believe your history is that bad to warrant such a severe punishment. 

I am afraid i just do not agree that the pattern we see here is a mis-characterization. In this thread even you seem to have a fantastic ability to whitewash the interactions you had. The screenshots posted by snake show it to be FAR far more than " i just said he could not mathematically prove god exists". So while i admit that the ban request was handled quickly and i am more than a little uncomfortable at the lack of specific evidence in that appeal i cannot in good faith say you should remain here as a member of this community. I am sorry dude. 

 

 

 

[Garnascus]

On 05/01/2020 at 16:56, Alberyk said:

As I explained countless times. You managed to get yourself banned in at least three discord related to this community, the forums, around two or so times. I have server banned you before due to the same behavior in relations to the members of this community, and you keep doing this, I have no other option besides applying the ban again. There is enough evidence pointing that you can't behave at all as a member of this community, so I applied this ban. I am sure that the ban request was done at the player's request, because they did not compain, neither there was any way that geeves could have entered their private message.

Can you for transparency's sake walk us through the investigation you did here once geeves posted his request?