Please stop ganking player mice

[Nanako]

General rules: Don't be a dick. first rule of the server.

RPing a mouse is fun, i like to nuzzle people, hide under tables, watch events, nibble at food, etc

Ganking and purposeless murdering is not okay, for anyone.

I get that plenty of people's characters don't like mice. but there's ways to deal with that. you can tell it to shoo, you can call it names, you can RP waving a weapon threateningly. Just roleplay, do something interesting. If you're making threats and not getting a response, by all means proceed with murdering. but a player mouse will generally leave for safer pastures if its obviously unwelcome. Make your intentions clear, give it a reasonable chance to flee. Shout something at it. Talk about how it's a health hazard, or loudly call a janitor to come remove it. There's a million ways to deal with a mouse in a hostile manner that don't involve ganking it

Randomly stomping on or hitting a mouse because it had the gall to be in an adjacent tile to you is not okay. especially not when it's RPing with someone else. mice die in one hit

regardless of the form they've taken, behind that mouse is still a player. It's very easy to identify a player mouse, they crawl through vents, move more than one tile at a time, hide under things, etc.

Today i wanted to watch an interesting event. peaceful vox traders holding a meeting with command staff. I got gibbed by a vaurca for the crime of hiding quietly under a table the first time around. Second time, i had a rappor with one of the vox, and was getting along quite well until the security officer, who'd been waiting like a hawk, stomped me as soon as he had the tiniest opportunity, interrupting RP with another vox who wanted to eat me (and was putting forth some interesting effort in RPing it out, too). the third time a borg batonned me instantly as i approached the room

After a certain point, it just seems pretty dickish. There's no RP value in random murder. We're all here to RP and have fun, not randomly ruin others fun without reason.

The worst is those people who see a mouse and just say nothing, immediately begin chasing and trying to stomp it without a word or an emote

just...don't be a dick :/

[hivefleetchicken]

But mice are pests. I kill them everywhere I see them IRL, too.

[canon35]

I kill pests on sight IRL too. Rats spread disease, fuck in vents, and are generally a pest. Unless someone is watching it as a pet, I'll fucking kill it.

[Carver]

I've made it my express goal in SS13 to kill every single mouse I happen across on sight. Mice are disgusting and you shouldn't be keeping them as pets unless you're Samantha Mason. It certainly doesn't help a majority of mice 'players' further the reputation of mice as annoying little shits who try and fuck with you like an imprisoned greytider fucks with the warden.

[Conservatron]

idk i wouldn't be complaining about dying as a mouse

the janitor has an entire kit devoted entirely to killing them. If you want to observe something and not play a part in it, there is the observe option.

Not saying don't be a mouse, I'm just saying that you should expect to be treated like a mouse. at best you are a piece of disposable lab equipment.

[Mofo1995]

It's worth noting one of the random events is that mice are breeding and need to be cleared out. It's not an unreasonable IC assumption that they're pests who just need cleared out on sight.

[Bedshaped]

IRL if I saw a mouse I wouldn't kill it but I would probably toss it outside. I definitely wouldn't pet it or do any of the stupid petting, kawaii uguu, crap you see in anime. New directive; space all mice.

[witchbells]

No.

By choosing to play as a mouse, you are choosing to play as something that has even less rights than a drone. Anyone on the station is essentially free to kill you.

[Guest]

#mouselivesmatter

[Garnascus]

I mean, you guys arent wrong about your IC justifications but i wouldn't exactly puff my chest out at stomping a mouse.

[Guest Menown]

What fucking mouse IRL would run up to somebody and nuzzle them?

If you don't want to act like a realistic expectation of a mouse, don't get pissy when somebody stops your shit in.

[Zundy]

As a drone it's your divine duty to kill all mice on sight. Ave apparatus.

[Nanako]

But mice are pests. I kill them everywhere I see them IRL, too.

I kill pests on sight IRL too. Rats spread disease, fuck in vents, and are generally a pest. Unless someone is watching it as a pet, I'll fucking kill it.

idk i wouldn't be complaining about dying as a mouse

 

I think you guys are missing my point here.

Of course people are going to kill mice. They also kill changelings and vampires and raiders. My point is, don't GANK mice. Don't wordlessly execute them by clicking them just because you can, Roleplay some annoyance, aggression, threats etc, have some buildup to it.

The mouse is still a player, ganking players without RP is not okay.

the janitor has an entire kit devoted entirely to killing them. If you want to observe something and not play a part in it, there is the observe option.

 

I've never seen a mousetrap used at all, but those would at least be interesting. Mousetraps are kind of redundant and useless when mice are so easy to kill by other means

[Dreamix]

You could just play something that has broader/more opportunities of roleplaying with people than just nuzzling and hiding under tables. I mean, like the game is supposed to be (role)played.

But, man, I have my priorities inverted.

[Carver]

I've never seen a mousetrap used at all, but those would at least be interesting. Mousetraps are kind of redundant and useless when mice are so easy to kill by other means

Noone uses mousetraps because mice meta to avoid them. You have to hide them under tables to have them get any use.

[UnknownMurder]

But... I wordlessly execute mice in real life. Even other pests such as... I don't know? Something that dares to walk up to me and tries to be my friend or even secretly going to attack me? Like a raccoon? Should I have uttered a word to a raccoon before attacking it with a shovel? "I swear I'll kill you. Do you understand me, Raccoon?" Because I'm like this, "Oh well, a raccoon."

[Bedshaped]

As a mouse; putting yourself in a position where you can be killed is bad RP and you should get a 5 week ban minimum.

[Conservatron]

I think the issue is a fundamental misunderstanding of what mice are in the game. You are not a character when your mouse, the point of a mouse is not to role-play it is to give you something to Dick around and stay in the game until next round. Killing you as the mouse is not gank.

However, I'm going to make a suggestion soon in regards to nice I just need to flesh out some mechanics

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Unless it's one of my characters that like mice then when you run up to me nuzzling and squeaking I'll stomp your guts out. You're playing a mouse. You're a pest. If we let players play as sprite sized cockroaches then they'd be just as valid. I am not obligated to emote with a nasty ass mouse. Especially when playing as Tajara.

[Skull132]

My personal mindset on this manner is: you chose to play a mouse, ergo, you accept being stomped upon.

Same deal with being a borg, AI, or any other slaved synth: we cannot, should not, do not enforce people to RP their characters as having sympathy for items and creatures towards whom they may not have any. Some people like mice, others completely hate them. Let it be their choice as to which it is.

[Nanako]

Like a raccoon? Should I have uttered a word to a raccoon before attacking it with a shovel? "I swear I'll kill you.

 

Well first off irl, physical contact with wild animals can result in you getting bitten and they carry all sorts of diseases. It's often a far smarter idea to scare it away unless it's been a consistent nuisance

But secondly, in real life, and unlike in this game, animals are fast and evasive. any small creature is going to see you swinging a weapon in its direction and possibly attempt to run or get out of the way. A mouse can't do that, killing it is instant and can't really miss

 

My personal mindset on this manner is: you chose to play a mouse, ergo, you accept being stomped upon.

 

see the second point above

 

Same deal with being a borg, AI, or any other slaved synth: we cannot, should not, do not enforce people to RP their characters as having sympathy for items and creatures towards whom they may not have any. Some people like mice, others completely hate them. Let it be their choice as to which it is.

I'm not asking people to like mice. I'm asking them to RP not-liking mice, and to indicate their intentions rather than ganking. like "Urist McLizardface eyes the mouse suspiciously as he reaches over to grab the nearby crowbar". Or speak aloud something like "Ugh, a filthy rodent, gimme a sec while i kill it"

That kind of RP allows a mouse to act realistically, ie evading the large creature suddenly approaching it

It's the same reason that security is expected to point their gun at a suspect and start talking, rather than spamclicking them to laser them six times in the face as soon as they come into view. It's very easy to quickly and instantly kill someone, we have rules that disallow it for a reason.

What we have now is everyone being some sort of snowflake ninja that can instantly react and strike with perfect accuracy to kill a defenseless rodent.

[Skull132]

Mice have enough ways to evade, though. As someone who frequently played bartender for months: player controlled mice are literal pests and deserve to have napalm chucked on them. There is literally no way to kill a mouse who's good at evading, and knows what fights to get into.

[Snakebittenn]

Mice shouldn't even be able to understand humans.

[Nanako]

Mice have enough ways to evade, though. As someone who frequently played bartender for months: player controlled mice are literal pests and deserve to have napalm chucked on them. There is literally no way to kill a mouse who's good at evading, and knows what fights to get into.

 

pests how? What could it do besides run around and emote at you?

afaik they have two ways to evade. ventcrawling can be stopped by welding vents if necessary, and hiding under things can be dealt with by rightclick > pull. there's almost no tables on the station that aren't adjacent to a walkable tile. You can also call a janitor to place mousetraps, nobody ever does that.

if a mouse is harassing you for some reason though, the simplest way to get rid of it is just to ignore it. the player will get bored and leave

[Skull132]

Mice have enough ways to evade, though. As someone who frequently played bartender for months: player controlled mice are literal pests and deserve to have napalm chucked on them. There is literally no way to kill a mouse who's good at evading, and knows what fights to get into.

 

pests how? What could it do besides run around and emote at you?

afaik they have two ways to evade. ventcrawling can be stopped by welding vents if necessary, and hiding under things can be dealt with by rightclick > pull. there's almost no tables on the station that aren't adjacent to a walkable tile. You can also call a janitor to place mousetraps, nobody ever does that.

 

If you run from table to table, it's a bitch to manage them. Unless you ambush with alt-click. But most of the time, you can't be fucked to. Plus, they can break pull by simply running away.

As for how they're pests: my bartender does not like mice in her bar. Ergo, she tries to rid the bar of them. It's called roleplay.

Plus, some silly emotes may have been involved.

 

if a mouse is harassing you for some reason though, the simplest way to get rid of it is just to ignore it. the player will get bored and leave

 

I will eventually, when the character gets bored. But just ignoring mice and smiling would break character.