[+1 dismissal] Only patients, doctors, and anyone approved by a head of staff can be inside medical bay.

[BurgerBB]

Full Directive: Only patients awaiting treatment, doctors performing treatment, and anyone approved by a head of staff or active doctor can loiter inside medical bay unless in the case where being outside medical risks loss of life.

I've noticed that everytime I play medical, there's always a group of people with no business to be in medical bay clogging up the hallways and making it irritating for both patients in need of treatment and doctors trying to figure out who needs treatment. This isn't an issue exclusive to AuroraStation, this happens all the time on other servers where people would clog up the halls in medical bay. In reality, people wait in the waiting room. That's why it's called the waiting room. You're not supposed to go along with the doctor if your friend comes in. You're not supposed to loiter around medbay invading the privacy of other patients being diagnosed because you like the drama.

People who are in medical and have no reason to be medical is a privacy risk, a safety risk, and a security risk.

[AmoryBlaine]

Trespassing is already a regulation infraction. This is just that but specified to Medical.

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[BurgerBB]

Trespassing is already a regulation infraction. This is just that but specified to Medical.

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Trespassing is never enforced in medical and it's only a yellow when something as serious as medical should be an orange. Most of the directives enforced are also crimes of their own.

For example, Regarding Modification, Optimization, and Upgrades of the station - Station Directive 5, is vandalism.

[Zundy]

It's already a thing, trespass. I'm surprised how often my characters get away with it. The one's that do it wouldn't be dissuaded by a directive. Just report chronic trespassers to sec imo.

[Scheveningen]

this thread smells like OP got outdebated by a head of staff that has general access to the area

sorry janitors even if it makes sense for you to walk in and clean viscera off the deck you should heck off because medbay is an exclusive club

CMO has a flash. and a wide variety of sedatives. use it.

[BurgerBB]

this thread smells like OP got outdebated by a head of staff that has general access to the area

sorry janitors even if it makes sense for you to walk in and clean viscera off the deck you should heck off because medbay is an exclusive club

CMO has a flash. and a wide variety of sedatives. use it.

 

that's not what happened...

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Have you tried asking them to leave?

[BurgerBB]

Have you tried asking them to leave?

 

Of course. Most of the time people just ignore you.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

So kill them, or push them out. It's part of the frustration of medical. I deal with it too. Just complain really loud at command.

[NebulaFlare]

Most time I've seen people stick to the sides on the couch, or stay out of the foot traffic. At worst, I've grabbed a person and flung them out of medical. But that's happened...1-2 times?

If people are in the way, just tell them to get out of the way and wait for their friends in designated areas.

[Skull132]

Tresspass is a thing.

If they're really stupid about it, you can also try applying things like neglect of duty and reckless endangerment (if there's an applicable article for that, I forget).

[Synnono]

Hello. Person who helps maintain Station Directives here.

This feels like something that is a little too specific to how medical is run by command and the medical staff to qualify for a new Station Directive. While there aren't necessarily strict guidelines in place for what becomes one, the existing directives all have to do with the facility's structure, leadership, research mission, or relations with people external to the company. The exception to this (AI access) is probably in there because the AI is supposed to be one of the most expensive, classified, irreplaceable things on the station.

While medical is an important department to a round, I don't think it needs a new directive about it just to keep people out of it. People who don't have access to the department should be asked to leave, and those that don't can have security called on them. If people ignore you, let Command know. If Command ignores you, let IA know. If everyone is ignoring you, it's probably because a cult is murdering everyone and you should consider saving your own life.

Basically, having a Station Directive to point to as justification for kicking people out will not ultimately be that much more effective than having the already-existing regs to point to. These could be Trespassing at the least, to Failure to Execute an Order if it's from Command, or maybe even Illegal Blocking of Areas if they're REALLY getting in your way.

[DronzTheWolf]

I remember the time I grabbed someone and slug them out of medical because they were screeching about something or the other that was completely unrelated to what was going on and we'd just cloned someone.

[Munks]

CMO has a flash. and a wide variety of sedatives. use it.

 

Or, instead of encouraging doctors to become vigilantes which is already enough of a problem, maybe we could call Security and let them do their job and stop using chemistry and the CMO's self-defense flash to be doctor cops?

[Scheveningen]

CMO has a flash. and a wide variety of sedatives. use it.

 

Or, instead of encouraging doctors to become vigilantes which is already enough of a problem, maybe we could call Security and let them do their job and stop using chemistry and the CMO's self-defense flash to be doctor cops?

 

My suggestion was for those too immature to do the civilized and proper way of handling it, which is "deal with it and stop caring so much about it".

[Azande]

If I'm CMO, I set the following policy:

One visitor per patient, visitors need to remain in the lobby unless the patient they are visiting is a surgery or long-term patient in the ward.

Security are only allowed to have one officer per criminal being treated inside of medical.

Anyone not falling within this policy is then asked to leave, if they refuse, I flash them and drag them out and report them to Security.

Leave the issue in the hands of Heads, I'd say.

[Guest Menown]

tfw janitors have access

tfw everybody's suggested policies ignore this

tfw janitors can no longer enter medical to clean unless a head of staff authorizes it or they're visiting their best friend the vomit pile dead in medical

Call security if people are getting in the way. If security doesn't help, tell Command. If Command doesn't help, IR it.

The chain command exists for a reason.

[Juani2400]

We can solve it with a sign, placed at the entrances of the Medical Bay. This will keep most people in the lobby and doctors will have a thing to point at when the rooms feel too crowded, giving them the authority to kick people out without the need of Command itself. As a regular CMO, this happens a lot, and you gotta be fighting people constantly to keep them out of the bay, it's true. Even if you are Command. Most people will just come up with the "You can't issue orders to me", which is false, by the way. But they'll take your time, energy and just move after you have spent quite some time arguing with them.

 

[Synnono]

This really feels like a solution to be handled on a command staff basis to me. A station directive feels inappropriate. Policy-via-development/mapping feels even worse.

[mention]BurgerBB[/mention] hasn't responded for a good bit. Thoughts in regard to any of the posts above?

[BurgerBB]

The intent behind my suggestion this is to provide medical with a sense of pride and knowledge to players that if you have no reason to be in medical, you shouldn't be in medical. Perhaps a station directive isn't needed specifically for medical.

[UnknownMurder]

We can solve it with a sign, placed at the entrances of the Medical Bay. This will keep most people in the lobby and doctors will have a thing to point at when the rooms feel too crowded, giving them the authority to kick people out without the need of Command itself. As a regular CMO, this happens a lot, and you gotta be fighting people constantly to keep them out of the bay, it's true. Even if you are Command. Most people will just come up with the "You can't issue orders to me", which is false, by the way. But they'll take your time, energy and just move after you have spent quite some time arguing with them.

 

 

I feel that throwing the sign on the wall is good enough to tell general people not just to waltz pass this drawn line. It's better than writing a new directive on station directive. We don't need to append a new amendment to the constitution for a little thing that has batted few people's eyes.

I'll admit it, I've waltz in and no one cared that I was there because I was out of people's foot traffic, not hindering or causing people troubles. Most medical bay staffs are just too nice to take action on you or doesn't want to risk to be arrested for dealing with a trespasser by force and would rather someone to handle it. Trespassing cases in medical bay would be between uncommon and rarity. So far as I remember, I've been called to deal with a hindrance person in medical bay once but not for trespassing.

[Skull132]

Sign sounds like a good idea.

[MO_oNyMan]

Well, look. There are several different types of people hanging around medbay and different ways to approach the situation. Chucklefucks are just wandering around aimlessly (or with malicious intent). Cheerleaders are there to look over their buddies, Hermits are seeking medical attention and are abandoned by their medics.

Dealing with Chuckelfucks:

1) Sir, your vital signs are normal, please vacate the area or i will be forced to call security

2) Call security/PDA an officer, specifying the name of the Chucklefuck, asking to remove them from medbay. Give a statement if needed to ensure the punishment was dispensed.

3) Repeat if Chucklefuck returns. Might be a good idea to specify to the responding officer it's a repeated offense

Dealing with Cheerleaders:

1) Sir you're crowding the area. Can you please vacate the area while your friend here recieves treatment? Wait in the lobby, i'll pda you as soon as your friend is cleared to go.

2) Sir, i understand, but you're impeding the movement of medical professionals. Leave, or i'll be forced to call security to remove you

3) Call security, proceed as if dealing with a Chucklefuck

(Note: sometimes officers are accompanying patients in case of them being VIP or convicts. Deal with their presence, they're doing their job. Worst case scenario you can try to ask if their presence is entirely necessary and ask them to wait in the lobby)

Dealing with Hermits:

That's actually a problem of medics' competence. Don't leave your patients, always have someone to keep an eye on the lobby to recieve new patients. Maybe implement some sort of systemsso that medics wouldn't quiet literally "fix what they see". One patient - one medic. Finish yours (or hand him to someone else) - switch to the other.

I don't see this problem as a lack of dedicated directive problem. It's more related to the general competence of security/medbay and maybe to some flaws in medbay layout. As noted previously, trespassing is a valid charge, make use of it

[Alberyk]

Not needed when there are already regulations that can apply for this situation.

Voting for dismissal.

[LordFowl]

Voting for dismissal. The situation is already well-covered in station regulations and departmental authority. Binning.