Coalf

Alright, I'm guessing it was expected that someone asks this so I'll begin. Banned for what exactly?

Oh wow, thanks, guys. Actually, this is about my only story here that I wouldn't change thematically looking back at it, just repair it grammatically, which I think I'll do right now actually. But thanks, means a lot.

Accepted with caviar. Locking and Archiving.

Jackboot accepted over discord, so accepted and archiving.

That's much better, it supports raiding however it also suggests that Vox isn't just going to go in guns blazing but rather only take out people who give them difficulties in taking what they really should have owned in the first place.

I'll break it down. There is feedback here already, there were a few IR's made against Price already, you were talked to quite often about bad security play with Price, you have multiple notes on this. You created a second character to essentially say fuck you to the CCIA, that was either due to two things. 1) You thought the decision Price made was never wrong in the first place. 2) You thought the decision was too harsh for the mistake Price made. You have returned after 4 months, played about 20 rounds (judging from your WI record) and then immediately applied with a character that started this whole mess. Then you say in here that in your eyes there was nothing else wrong besides the double-character with Price and he's been a fine command. Taking in feedback and accepting it is a big part of being in command and this is why I (cannot speak for the entire team), do not believe you should get a command whitelist at this time. This is my explanation.

Okay, serious question, why did you apply with the same character that got you essentially command banned? The whole contentious point was that Price was not a good head which is what you got an injunction for in the first place, what you refused to acknowledge and what you made the new character for, which ultimately lead to your ban. So why would you apply with the same character? This bedazzles my mind, either you're going to rework him completely from the ground up and admit that he was a bad command character at which point why apply with him in the first place. Or the alternative is that you don't plan on changing anything and just think ONLY the fact you made the character double was the problem? That wasn't the only problem, it all stemmed from the fact you refused to undergo a punishment for your bad character and in that sense, you completely denied that you did anything wrong in the first place. Thus we are very curious about why you think we should give you a whitelist.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ping or quote you. [mention]Adrae[/mention]

I think it adds a good amount of information, some is extranious but there is good enough "fluff" around it to prop it. One thing I really dislike is the sudden resurgance of race politics from herr fuhrer Adolf Primalis. To me as an outside observer it doesn't fit the overall image you're trying to paint of the Vox, which I assume is akin to "Lost survivors". You don't yourself seem to have a good reason to explain it other than "well you can feel superior", but I feel like it can be done much better. To me I think their raiding reason should be more like "Stealing honey from bees" rather then "Kikah get the luger", either way I think that is the weakest part of it and you should either outright scrap it or re-do it. [mention]Senpai Jackboot[/mention] since there is no race-manager for Vox this is technically JB's thing as an overall lore-person.

I'll read over this tomorrow since it's late but the clans were retconned like a few weeks ago just an FYI

Because it's like establishing that guacamole is now spelled guacamoule. I don't see a reason why this NEEDS to be canonized, what bridge this gaps, what this establishes. It doesn't really explain why some vendors have secret or even illegal merchandise, why every vendor is designed differently externally instead of being a carbon copy with a re-paint. It's information so extranious it doesn't even have a place to be writen in besides the IC library and any lore developer can tell you "yeah sure it's canon" on discord and it'll bear as much relevance as me writing it here. Application denied.

So if I were to ask you, what in your opinion makes your lore better than what is currently on the wiki about the Vox and spacecraft/corti stacks etc.? Not meant as a callout mind you, I'm just trying to think what you disliked about the Vox lore to want to replace/rework it? [mention]Adrae[/mention]

Actually this might suprise you, cult, wizards, vampries and Nar'sie are indeed canon. Just the rounds they happen in, are not. Don't worry about my rank, you can argue with me about whatever you want, I'm no more educated on vending machine lore than you but what I'd like to see is something more than just "yeah X works like Y now" but rather a bigger explanation. For example if this application came with some lore for all the food vendor corporations that I could refer to Zundy, that would just be top, but otherwise this is too barebones to declare boldly "canon" because small things like this CAN get in our way when we're making lore for the future and there is always the danger that we change it without really informing people because we simply forget about these very small things because there would be WAY TOO MUCH to remember. Sadly Schrodigers lore is simply a difference in opinion and how it functions mostly right now because even small things like that can be potential traps to write ourselves into a corner at which point we might actually just change it because we need to, which puts into question why it was established in the first place. Regarding the books, well, technically BadKitty and ScalesNStuff people consider real even though they're technically just player made books, so really it's canon as long as enough people go along with it. So either I'll need this suggestion to be made CHONKIER or have a better reason to make a specific book detailing this.

If we want to go down that thought line, coke machines are branded by coke, pepsi and other food production companies however usually a different company that actually manufactures it while the food company itself owns it. However if we want to go down that line of thinking, why would NT dedicate an entire branch or facility to make food vendors when they were a genetic company branching out into engine creationg, phoron reasearch and phoron mining. Again it's not a bad application and the idea itself has only small technical problems that are honestly easily shrugged away just as we shrug the game issues away each day. However what would be much better is if someone had created an explanation for all of our food companies and included that in there. It seems like something that would get either ignored or changed at the next sight of it being in the way right now, so I'm not prone to accepting it but not denying it. I'd say it's like Schrodigers cat, whatever explanation whatever character has for the vendors is correct and I think that's a good way to have it to explore what characters can think of in regards to explaining why the code is fucky. Similarly like every character has a different explanation on how positronics work, where golems come from, how slimes work, how carps survive etc. Like gravity IRL, we know it exists and what it does but we're not exactly sure what it is exactly. You can write a book yourself frankly and nobody can really stop you from adding it to the library. Hell you can even write it as a 3rd party and not your character using the Aurora-WI and Library function.

Well it's the same because the people who made it were fucking lazy per the usual developer discipline of SS13. oops accidentally pressed the submit button. What I wanted to add was, you can have this canon in your head however it's going to be as valid as any other theory since it can't really be "logged" anywhere. Most likely it'll be forgoten in a few weeks, this is why I don't really see the purpose of making an explanation for something this simple when I think it's much funnier and simpler to have people make up their own theories for why this doesn't work.

If I'm not wrong the companies that have made these vendors aren't actually NT itself but rather their respective name brands. Chipco etc. I mean it's a nice theory but I don't see where it would really fit in. Note: I am currently unable to kill you upon your request, I apologise for the inconvenience.

Completely fine, feel free to re-apply when you're ready. Locking and Archiving.

Noted, locking and archiving.

To elaborate, I've realized that what you've said might have seemed way too preachy to me due to the controversial argument from someone else it came with, thus I do apologise for the seemingly agressive assumption of you being a lazy weiner. Further having a solution ISN'T REQUIRED to bring up an issue we might not potentially see, we've been involved in this process for about a year and thus can miss critical stuff other people have easier view of. So for everyone reading this, pick up your bag and give feedback to us and to Geeves.

Noted.

So I obtained chatlogs from a certain half-public server, not officially affiliated with Aurora but with admins and moderators present. In there I had witnessed behaviour which I would call as "bad", simply said as this because I lack a better word. You've complained, quite vocally with a certain group of other players about the trial system in place for the selection of heads, the reason I'm a bit miffed at this is because I've never witnessed these complaints being raised anywhere in the public discord, the head of staff forums, the policy suggestion forums or as a private message to any member of the whitelist team. So it was quite the donkey punch. Now the main driving force behind CCIA is the abillity to make decisions and confront issues of others. How do you plan to do that when you'd rather take an issue you have and privately complain about it rather then using the NUMEROUS devices we have to solve it, or even trying to communicate with the team responsible when you plan to work with them in the future?

OP cannot post and told me to lock. So locking and archiving.

Alright, locking and archiving sorry for the pings to everyone.

Roger roger, locking and archiving.

[mention]Senpai Jackboot[/mention][mention]Zundy[/mention][mention]Snake2512[/mention][mention]Pegasus[/mention] rise from your grave thread, this still need a yes or no and possibly even more talking.