No Roundstart Nuke [FEEDBACK]

[geeves]

https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/9479

This PR removes the roundstart nuke that mercs spawn with, replacing it with a landmark that spawns misc equipment. It's modular, so more things can be added to it, but for the moment, it only spawns a nice red combat exosuit.

I don't think mercs should have a roundstart nuke, because if they decide to use it, it turns into "x or nuke", which gives very little roleplay leeway, in my opinion.

So, feel free to provide feedback on that here.

[Doxxmedearly]

I don't mind the nuke being present. But removal is an okay option.

I still think it should be available for over 25 TC so they have to really commit to it if they want it that badly. Max one, of course.

And only available for purchase if on their ship. Would be kinda bogus for them to just pop one in anywhere.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Doxxmedearly

[Tailson]

Isn't the minigun 50TC? That's pretty much a gimmick choice on its own, as the nuke should be. Maybe instead of removal, make it a purchasable item that's priced outside of the ability to have more than one so they have to commit, like Doxx said?

Edited July 27, 2020 by Tailson

[geeves]

I can see the appeal of being able to buy a nuke with TC, but the problem with that is that "nuke or x" rounds tend to not have a fun storyline at all. Restricting the mercs from buying any gear besides the nuke will FORCE them into a "nuke or x" style, which is what I'd like to avoid entirely.

However, I brought the idea up of a purchaseable mini-nuke. I think that'd be a good alternative. This mini-nuke would be able to flatten an entire level, but leave the others pretty much unscathed. That's a big risk, but not as bad as the current nuke is.

[Peppermint]

Yes please. 'Nuke or x' gimmicks are so lame, and having some actual cost to it would be nice. On the flip side, it's frustrating when you're playing merc and there's always that one guy that insists on using it for every tiny threat. I tend to just take it off the ship anyway tho tbh.

[Snakebittenn]

The mech would suck because ion rifles. Mechs are nowhere near durable enough to make up for the loss of the nuke.

[stev]

Suggestion: To discourage pulling the nuke out over random threats, make the nuke spawn on the merc base rather than the shuttle. This'll make it an active choice on the part of the team to make it part of the round, rather than a panic button to use if your round isn't going well. 

[Susan]

Why do the mercs need the nuke replaced to begin with? Giving them a free exosuit negates the exosuit beacon you have to pay uplink crystals for. Not a fan.

 

Nuke doesn't need to be replaced. It had no real combat function beyond using it to powergame and prevent any substantial response from the station.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Susan

[canon35]

The nuke is hardly used and I don't think mercs would have a hard time getting to the on station one if they really wanted to, so this is pretty good! The random equipment seems like it could be fun and better to work with. 

Also quite like the idea of the mini-nuke and I hope that can be developed and added into the game. 

[Chada1]

I kinda like the cinematic that plays when it explodes, but it really has no purpose aside from ending rounds past that.

[Carver]

Bit sad to see Nuclear Operatives losing their legacy. Never bothered me when they used it because it ends the round anyways, so if anything they just cut themselves short by opting for it.

[Scheveningen]

useless end game item replaced by good early game item. unquestionably a very good merc PR

[Mcspizzy]

100% agree with giving the mercs a suit, as for the ion rifle concern there is a armor ingame to negate ion blasts (I think...) - worst case the pilot just has to be cautious and do some fancy fighting. Make the nuke a uplink item and this would be a perfect PR.

[furrycactus]

Totally fine with either its entire removal, or locking it behind an expensive TC cost which means the team has to commit to it. "X or Nuke" rounds are fucking garbage, and often the nuke is leveraged over the tiniest shit, such as "hand over the dog or we nuke station", for example. Having it be there just encourages people to drag it along just because, and it's pretty poor RP, honestly. Props to the merc teams that don't just drag it around and leave it firmly on the shuttle, but yeah, remove it or lock it behind a huge TC cost.

[Carver]

I'm more surprised they didn't just opt to make it require an admin to get the code for it (thus making the usage rare and requiring some valid argument for using it), rather than removing it wholesale.

[StationCrab]

Don't take it away entirely.

[Hepatica]

+1, remove it, everyone else has made a better point as to why it should go already, I have no reason to recite what they said

[Arrow768]

The PR in question has been closed as not wanted after a discussion between the maintainers.
The main concerns are the removal of the nuke and the addition of a combat mech "for free".